I Challenged Simon Schama on America’s New Muslim Leaders
Simon Schama shares some of my concerns about political Islam - so why won’t he accept my conclusion about America’s new Muslim leaders? Historian Simon Schama joins me, Andrew Gold, on Heretics to debate Zohran Mamdani, Abdul El-Sayed and a question with consequences beyond America: are we underestimating political Islam, or letting our fears run ahead of the evidence? I challenge him on a possible double standard over theocracy. He challenges me on what would actually prove my suspicions. But when he asks what I would do about it, the conversation takes a different turn. We discuss multiculturalism, the progressive left, Israel, antisemitism and whether education can tackle fundamentalism. Schama also shares a childhood memory that reveals a disturbing chapter of British history. Watch through before deciding whose argument you find stronger—and tell us where you disagree. Subscribe to Heretics for more conversations that test what we believe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices