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Grow Your Camp

Mark P. Fisher & Carl Lefever

Welcome to the Grow Your Camp Podcast: 'Cause You Can't Minister to Empty Beds

Where we share stories and systems to help camps grow.

Hosts:

Mark P. Fisher, of Inspiring Growth

Carl Lefever, of Improve & Grow

Overview:

Most camp directors didn't sign up to be marketers. They signed up because they know what happens to a kid who spends a week away from everything — and they wanted to be part of it. But empty beds are a real problem, and figuring out how to fill them, fund the mission, and still lead well is work nobody really prepared you for.

The Grow Your Camp Podcast exists for that director. Every episode opens with one tactic you can use this week — then goes deeper with a real camp leader who's already solved the problem you're sitting with. Real numbers. Real stories. The systems behind the growth.

This is what it sounds like when the mission gets to grow.

Key Themes:

  • Filling the Calendar: Strategies and real-world examples of how retreat and camp leaders increase bookings and reduce seasonal gaps. Topics might include: lead generation systems, improving inquiry response times, pricing strategy, market positioning, capacity management, and off-season marketing approaches.
  • Marketing that Feels Like Ministry: How faith-driven leaders approach marketing as an extension of their mission rather than a distraction from it. Topics might include: values-based storytelling, ethical persuasion, branding that builds trust, and aligning marketing messages. 
  • Digital Growth Systems: Modern tools and digital marketing tactics that consistently drive visibility, inquiries, and revenue for retreats and camps. Topics might include: websites that convert, CRM and automation, SEO and Google Ads, social media advertising, online reviews, and emerging technologies like AI.
  • Stories of Growth: Candid conversations with leaders about their challenges, breakthroughs, and the turning points that sparked momentum. Topics might include: turning around a struggling retreat season, launching new programs, rebuilding after crisis, or scaling operations while staying mission-aligned.
  • Leading for Growth: How leadership mindset, team culture, and operational systems create the foundation for sustainable growth. Topics might include: team alignment, delegation, budgeting and stewardship, guest experience excellence, and building systems that support long-term ministry impact.

Episodes are typically 30-45 minutes in length, content is fun, engaging and practical. We bring on reputable guests that work in or on camp and always include a quick camp marketing tip at the top of each episode.

Have a specific question you'd like us to cover? Click here to submit a question or episode idea to our team.

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  • 22 episodes
  • Avg 49 min
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  • S1 · E2
    March 10 · 18 min

    Ep 2 | Is there GOLD in your woods?

    In this episode, Mark and Carl share a practical marketing insight before diving into a conversation with Molly Hooks from the American Forest Foundation on how camps can turn underutilized land into a new source of revenue. The episode opens with a simple but often overlooked growth lever: your photos. Camps that replace empty facility shots with real, people-filled images can increase inquiries by reducing uncertainty and helping families picture themselves at camp. From there, Molly explains how the Family Forest Carbon Program works and how camps can participate. With as little as 30 acres of eligible forest, camps can enroll and receive payments over time while maintaining their land for recreation and conservation. While the per-acre revenue is modest, it creates a steady income stream that can help offset rising costs and protect land from development. Molly also shares how her own camp experiences shaped her passion for forestry and conservation, reinforcing the long-term impact camps have on how people value the outdoors. The conversation walks through the enrollment process, what makes land eligible, and what camps can expect—including a customized forest management plan that supports long-term land health and stewardship. The result is a practical way to align mission, sustainability, and financial stability without changing how camps use their property. Keywords camp land management, forest conservation, carbon credits, camp revenue streams, Family Forest Carbon Program, American Forest Foundation, land stewardship, retreat center operations, property management for camps, conservation funding Sound Bites “It’s not just revenue—it’s about conservation and stewardship.” “Most camps already have the acreage—they just haven’t leveraged it.” “This is another way to keep that land in your camp’s name.” Hosts Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever, Improve & Grow Guest Molly Hooks, American Forest Foundation Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guests 00:05 Understanding the Family Forest Carbon Program 05:47 Molly's Camp Experience and Its Impact 11:45 Enrollment Process and Eligibility for Camps 16:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Resources: Family Forest Carbon Program - https://familyforestcarbon.org American Forest Foundation - https://www.forestfoundation.org Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call > If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.

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  • S1 · E1
    February 6 · 22 min

    Ep 1 | The Fastest Way to Fill Your Camp

    In this episode of the Grow Your Camp Podcast, Mark shares a quick camp marketing tip called "Fortune is in the Follow-up: Speed Is the Hidden Sales Advantage". Carl shared a story about how working at a camp got him into digital marketing and also taught some key lessons on how to run a business based on missional principles. Then Mark and Carl discuss effective strategies for camp growth, emphasizing the importance of group rentals and quick follow-up in securing bookings. They explore the concept of 'full capacity' in camps, encouraging leaders to redefine what it means to be full and to maximize their facilities. The conversation also covers marketing tactics, including the use of SEO and Google Ads, as well as the benefits of Google Grants for nonprofits. The hosts share insights from their experiences working with various camps and provide actionable tips for attracting new groups and increasing revenue. Key Takeaways Speed is a crucial advantage in securing group bookings. Camps should focus on group rentals to ensure financial stability. Defining what 'full' means can unlock additional capacity. Utilizing SEO can significantly improve visibility for camps. Google Grants can provide substantial advertising support for nonprofits. Group dynamics and meeting room management are key to accommodating multiple groups. Word of mouth is unreliable; proactive marketing is essential. Camps should aim for year-round bookings to maintain financial health. Understanding guest group needs can enhance service offerings. A well-structured website is vital for attracting new leads. Sound bites "The fortune is in the follow-up." "Don't use the word full." Chapters 00:00 The Fastest Way to Fill Your Camp 00:06 The Fortune is in the Follow Up 01:23 Episode Introduction 02:15 Maximizing Group Rentals for Camp Success 06:00 Understanding Camp Capacity and Utilization 09:03 Strategies for Attracting New Groups 14:39 Building a Lead-Ready Website Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call > If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.

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