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44. LIVE: Other modes of becoming: on plant intelligence and human-plant relationships // ABIGAIL SYKES & CECILIA ÅSBERG

EPISODE DESCRIPTION: Research of recent decades reveals how plant intelligence is vastly more complex and multifaceted than Western science has previously recognised. Plants communicate, interpret and learn. They warn each other of danger and respond intelligently in their relationships. These new insights call into question our assumptions about other-than-human lifeforms – could this usher in a shift in our relationship to the rest of the living world? Cecilia Åsberg is Professor of Gender, Nature, Culture and Scientific Director of Posthumanities Hub, Linköping University Abigail Sykes is a journalist and educator working with sustainability, justice and regenerative transition. This conversation was hosted by the Uppsala Art Museum together with Forest of Thought Podcast and CEMUS, Uppsala University, in conjunction with the museum’s Eija-Liisa Ahtila exhibition, A POSSIBLE IMAGE – of what is just becoming reality curated by Rebecka Wigh Abrahamsson. November 26th, 2026: Entangled Lifeworlds - a live podcast event with philosopher Jonna Bornemark at the Uppsala Art Museum. Find more information and tickets (60 SEK) here. LINKS TO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT: Abigail Sykes website. Professor Cecilia Åsberg. Eija-Liisa Ahtila exhibition: “A possible image - of what is just becoming reality”. Susan Simard - Finding the Mother Tree Stefano Mancuso – Brilliant Green Modest witness by Donna Haraway Lynn Margulis on symbiogenisis and holobionts. Botany of Desire by Michael Pollan. The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K Le Guin. How Forests Think by Eduardo Kohn.SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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43. In search of the sacred // PER INGVAR HAUKELAND

How do we find ways of connecting to that which is sacred to us? Can we learn to listen for that which brings us into attunement with our deepest selves and the living world? And how do we discern between true spiritual insight and wishful thinking? In this conversation, eco-philosopher Per Ingvar Haukeland takes us on a journey that begins with his deep experiences of sacred connection to the trees and forests of his childhood. As an adult he travelled far and wide in his search for practices and words that could make sense of his experiences, ultimately finding that the answers were waiting for him at home. Per Ingvar Haukeland is professor of Eco-Philosophy and Outdoor Life at the University of Southeast Norway. He has been active in the deep ecology movement, collaborating with the philosopher Arne Naess on two books Life’s philosophy (2003) and Deep Joy: Into deep ecology (2008). He co-founded the Alliance for Wild Ethics together with David Abram, Per Espen Stoknes and Stephen Harding. PREVIOUS EPISODES WITH PER INGVAR: Episode 7: Tree Teachings Bonus episode for members: Coming into relationship with place LINKS: Per Ingvar Haukeland Alliance for Wild Ethics Arne Naess - Norwegian philosopher who founded the deep ecology movement Carl Jung - Synchronicities Spinoza - Deus sive Natura Russel Duvernoy - Ecological Attunement Thich Nhat Hanh on interbeing Gregory Bateson - Steps to an ecology of mind SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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42. How myth, folklore and place help us find our calling in the second half of life // SHARON BLACKIE

How can myth and folklore help us find our way in the second half of life? What can we learn from the places we inhabit, and the stories that are rooted in the land? Dr. Sharon Blackie is an award-winning and internationally bestselling author, speaker and teacher. She’s a former neuroscientist and a psychologist with a background in mythology and folklore, and her work is focused on the mythic imagination and its relevance to the personal, cultural and environmental issues we face today. She is a writer of both fiction and non-fiction, and in two of her recent books, Hagitude and Wise Women, she explores how folklore and myth help women reimagine the second half of life. Sharon’s lates book, Ripening: why women need fairytales now has recently been released! LINKS: Sharon Blackie’s website Hagitude and Wise Women, books by Sharon The Soul’s Code by James Hillman Cailleach, Irish hag deity PREVIOUS BLOOD MYSTERIES EPISODES: Pt 1: Embracing our cyclical nature with Jenny Koos Pt 2: How we honor our nervous systems and cultivate pleasure as a pathway towards health with Kimberly Ann Johnson Pt 3: Birth as a rite of passage with Kristina TurnerPt 4: In between worlds – on creating cultures of care after birth with Opokua Britton Cavaco SUBSCRIBE AND FOLLOW🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ (per episode) or Substack (per month/year).⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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41. In between worlds – on creating cultures of care after birth // OPOKUA BRITTON CAVACO

The arrival of a new baby entails an opening between the worlds. It’s a liminal in–between space, where life is vulnerable until the baby has fully arrived and the window is safely closed. All over the world, people have developed traditions, rituals and practices to care for the new baby and parents during this special time, but many of those practices are being eroded and forgotten. The conversation you’re about to hear is not just about the time after birth, but after any challenging transition in life, where we need to be held by those around us. And why is it that we find that so difficult in our culture? Opokua Britton Cavaco is a doula, nurse and author. She has written books about birth and postpartum culture, and hosts the popular Swedish podcast Okrystat with her sister Asabea. Opokua’s website Opokuas book on postpartum culture, co-authored by Maria Borda (in Swedish) Previous episodes in the Blood Mysteries series: Pt 1: Embracing our cyclical nature with Jenny Koos Pt 2: How we honor our nervous systems and cultivate pleasure as a pathway towards health with Kimberly Ann Johnson Pt 3: Birth as a rite of passage with Kristina Turner SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen at ⁠stoneproduction.no⁠. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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40. LIVE: Is a river alive? On enlivenment, animism and nature's rights // ROBERT MACFARLANE & PELLA THIEL

What does it mean to say that a river is alive? And if a river is alive, could it have legal rights that protect it from abuse and exploitation? What kinds of practices could affirm our interconnectedness with the rest of the living world? Do our Western ideals of enlightenment need to be complemented by ideas of enlivenment? In this live podcast, writer Robert Macfarlane presents his book “Is a River Alive?” and is joined by ecologist Pella Thiel and podcast host Ingrid M. Rieser. This special episode is a collaboration between the Forest of Thought, the KTH Environmental Humanities Laboratory and the On the Rights of Nature podcast. Robert Macfarlane is internationally renowned for his writing on nature, people and place. His books include Underland, Landmarks, The Old Ways, The Wild Places and Mountains of the Mind . His work has been translated into more than thirty languages, won prizes around the world, and been widely adapted for film, music, theatre, radio and dance. He has also written operas, plays and films and collaborated closely with artists including Olafur Eliasson and Stanley Donwood. He is a Professor of Literature and the Environmental Humanities at the Faculty of English in Cambridge and is a Fellow of Emmanuel College, Cambridge. Pella Thiel is a maverick ecologist, farmer, author and educator. She has co-founded Swedish hubs of international networks, including the Transition Sweden, End Ecocide Sweden and Save the Rainforest Sweden. Her current mission is to support the establishment of an Embassy of the Baltic Sea. She and Henrik Hallgren have written the book “Naturlagen: Om naturens rättigheter och människans möjligheter” (2022, Volante). A big thank you to Robert Macfarlane’s Swedish publisher Ocean Books for making this event possible. LINKS: Video version of this talk Robert Macfarlane’s books Pella Thiel’s website On the Rights of Nature Podcast with Pella Thiel KTH Environmental Humanities Laboratory Ocean Books currently releasing “Is a River Alive?” in SwedishSHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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39. Birth as a rite of passage // KRISTINA TURNER

Birth can be difficult to talk about, because it's so complex and paradoxical. It can be beautiful and traumatic, often at the same time; it’s intensely personal and highly political; it’s something extraordinary that is also entirely ordinary. You give birth to a baby and you also birth yourself as a mother. Another paradox is how birth has become much safer because of the advancements of modern medicine, and yet that very medicalisation has created new risks. Women who give birth in hospitals are more likely to have complications; the amount of women who have births without any interventions is rapidly declining. Is it possible to build a culture of birth that takes the best parts of modern medicine and combines them with a deep respect for the wisdom of women’s bodies? Instead of seeing birth as a medical event, how do we honor it as a rite of passage? In this episode, Ingrid shares some of her personal journey of pregnancy and birth, in conversation with author and birth activist Kristina Turner. They discuss how the view of birth has changed in the past centuries, and what ingredients are needed for a healthier birth culture to take root. Kristina Turner is a writer, birth activist, and women’s circle facilitator with over 25 years experience. She is the author of Natural Birth – A Holistic Guide to Pregnancy, Childbirth, and Breastfeeding and Revolution i BB-fabriken (Revolution in the Birth Factory). Across her work, Kristina returns to one central thread: the sovereignty of the woman’s body — its intelligence, rhythms, rites of passage, and its ability to transform consciousness. Kristina lives between Sweden and the UK and works internationally as a writer, birth educator, and Compassionate Inquiry practitioner supporting women healing from traumatic births. LINKS: Kristina’s Substack Kristina’s book Natural Birth – A Holistic Guide to Pregnancy, Childbirth, and Breastfeeding Kristina’s book (in Swedish) written with Maria Bengtsson Revolution i BB-fabriken Meta-study finding that births in hospitals gave more complications as compared to home births (in low-risk pregnancies) Meta-study showing that risks for babies are not higher in home-births (for low-risk pregnancies) This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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38. How we honor our nervous systems and cultivate pleasure as a pathway towards health // KIMBERLY ANN JOHNSON

What healing could be made possible if we began to work in ways that honoured our nervous systems? How could pleasure be a pathway to health? How can we have more true intimacy and eroticism in our lives? Kimberly Ann Johnson is a Sexological Bodyworker, Somatic Experiencing practitioner, yoga teacher, postpartum advocate, and single mom. Working hands-on in integrative women’s health and trauma recovery for more than a decade, she helps women heal from birth injuries, gynecological surgeries, and sexual boundary violations. Kimberly is the author of the Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It for Good, as well as the early mothering classic The Fourth Trimester, and is the host of the Sex Birth Trauma podcast. LINKS: Kimberly’s website. Kimberly’s Sex Birth Trauma Podcast To read more about the sympathetic, parasympathetic and social nervous systems, you can download the first chapter of Kimberly’s book for free here. Somatic Experiencing (Peter Levine) Organic Intelligence by Steve Hoskinson The Erotic Mind by Jack Morin The Wheel of Consent by Betty Martin SUBSCRIBE AND FOLLOW🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ (per episode) or Substack (per month/year).⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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37. Embracing our cyclical nature // JENNY KOOS [Blood Mysteries pt. 1]

From menarche until menopause, women have a rhythmical companion, whose presence or absence tells us something about our bodies. The menstrual cycle is considered by many medical professionals to be the fifth vital sign, and just like our pulse or our blood pressure, it tells us something important about our health. And yet the general knowledge about the menstrual cycle, both in the medical community and society at large, is very poor. Many women struggle with pains, mood swings, and infertility without understanding the underlying cause of these. Why isn’t the cycle considered more important? Could the disregard for women’s bodies be tied to the disregard for nature? What new possibilities emerge if we lean into the cyclical nature of bodies? Even if you're not a woman – actually, especially then - you may find this episode illuminating. Jenny Koos is an author and Holistic Reproductive Health practitioner. She has championed fertility awareness and women’s empowerment through body literacy in countless debates, lectures, client sessions and social media for 15 years. Her first book on fertility awareness was published in 2022. LINKS: Vulverine - Jenny's website Menstrual cycle as fifth vital sign Justisse College This is the first episode of the 🩸 Blood mysteries🩸 mini-series here on the podcast. Follow us in your podcast app or sign up for our Substack newsletter so you never miss an episode! SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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REPRISE: Imaginations of Control // ANDY STIRLING

A favorite conversation from the archives, with particular relevance for upcoming episodes! When our societies are faced with challenges we often call on science to provide us with the best course of action; we strive to make evidence-based decisions. But what assumptions are hiding behind this recipe for decision-making? And how can taking control of a situation reduce our capacity for responding with care? We delve back into the Forest of Thought today with Andy Stirling, Professor of Science and Technology Policy at the STEPS Centre, UK. Andy Stirling is Professor of Science and Technology Policy at the University of Sussex. He co-directs the STEPS Centre, which looks at social, technological and environmental pathways to sustainability. Andy’s research focusses on understanding science and technology in relation to issues of power, uncertainty and diversity. LINKS: A video talk and blog post by Andy on modernity, the pandemic and the futilities of control: https://steps-centre.org/news/andy-stirling-on-covid-19-modernity-and-control-video/ Andy’s 4-part blog series on responding to climate disruption with caring struggle rather than technocratic control: https://steps-centre.org/blog/is-the-naming-of-climate-change-a-dangerous-self-defeat/ A lecture by Andy on uncertainty and power in science: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDfQ3fIKygQSHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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36. Thinking with plants – on Hildegard of Bingen’s ecological theology // MICHAEL MARDER

What can we learn from plants? In Western thinking, plants have usually been seen as the most lowly beings, fixed in one place and without capacity for thinking. But many cultures have known – and modern science is confirming – that plants carry their own kind of vibrant intelligence. They communicate, interpret and elaborate – could it be that we humans are more plant-like than we tend to believe? In the 12th century, the mystic Hildegard of Bingen wrote about viriditas, a kind of capacity for self-renewal and vitality expressed most clearly in the vegetal realm. In today’s episode I speak to philosopher Michael Marder about Hildegard’s ecological theology and what we might learn from plants. Michael Marder is Ikerbasque Research Professor of Philosophy at University of the Basque Country, and his work spans the fields of environmental philosophy and ecological thought, political theory, and phenomenology. LINKS Michael Marder website (free articles, book overviews) Green Mass: The Ecological Theology of St. Hildegard of Bingen Pyropolitics: Fire and the political Michael’s Substack SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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35. Walking for peace and learning with head, heart & hands // SATISH KUMAR

If you’d prefer to watch the episode, it is available here on Youtube. In 1962 , a young man named Satish Kumar set out with his friend Prabakhar Menon on a pilgrimage for peace that would take him around the world, forever changing the course of his life. Later on, Satish dedicated himself to the work of making peace with nature, as the editor of the ecological magazine Resurgence, and in helping to found Schumacher College, a school for transformative learning. We first met when I did my master’s at that college more than a decade ago. In this conversation we talk about the power of walking and of pilgrimage, about the kind of education we are in need of today, and about whether working for peace means the same thing today as when Satish was young. Peace-pilgrim, life-long activist, and former monk, Satish Kumar has been inspiring global change for over 50 years. He undertook a pilgrimage for peace, walking for two years without money from India to America for the cause of nuclear disarmament. Now in his 80s, Satish has devoted his life to campaigning for ecological regeneration and social justice. He is a world-renown author and international speaker, founder of The Resurgence Trust and Editor Emeritus of Resurgence & Ecologist – a change-making magazine he edited for over 40 years. LINKS TO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT: Satish Kumar’s autobiography No Destination – autobiography of a pilgrim. Satish's mentor Vinoba Bhave Satish’s peace pilgrimage – if you’d like to hear more details about his trip, I can recommend this episode of Follow your Blissters. Schumacher College – support the college here. Resurgence magazine SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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34. The subtle art of listening // KERI FACER

As we are faced with multiplying crises, we often rush into trying to fix the world through words and busy action. What if an adequate response is to simply listen? What new worlds can be made, what wounds can be healed, through listening deeply? In this episode, Keri Facer returns to the podcast to explore the subtle art of listening. Keri is Professor of Educational and Social Futures at the University of Bristol, and co-founder of the Society for Transformative conversations at the Swedish Agricultural university. LINKS TO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT: My previous conversation with Keri Keri’s paper “Beyond voice: Listening and silence in climate change education” Momo by Michael Ende Lisbet Lipari Sand Talk by Tyson Yunkaporta Tim Ingold - the pause as the moment of thought Ways of Council and Keri’s mentor Pip Bondy SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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33. “Our crisis is an aesthetic crisis” – on art, education and ecology // JAN VAN BOECKEL

What could art making and aesthetics mean to us in these difficult times? Can we justify going off to paint or to spend time in nature when there is so much destruction going on in the world? Aesthetics is about opening up our senses to the world - but do we even want to stay sensitive when there is so much pain? How do we deal with that paradox? Today’s episode is with artist and educator Jan van Boeckel. Jan’s work brings together art, education and ecology. He has been Professor in Art & Sustainability at Hanze University in the Netherlands and is now a Senior Research Associate there. He is also an avid painter, and hosts wild painting courses throughout Europe. LINKS TO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT Jan’s website Jan’s Wild painting courses Active Facebook group on arts-based environmental education “Call of the mountain” – a film on Arne Næss and deep ecology Everyone is an artist - Joseph Beuys Enabling constraints James Hillman: Our crisis is an aesthetic crisis Gregory Bateson writes about “the pattern that connects” in Mind and Nature David Abram (who talks about Eros) Robert Jay Lifton and psychic numbing Renée Lertzman’s book Environmental Melancholia Bayo Akomolafe: the times are urgent, let’s slow down. F. Scott Fitzgerald : Superior intelligence is the ability to embrace two completely contrary ideas, and still retain the ability to function Bill Wahpepah of the American Indian Movement SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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32. God as the poet of the world – on Whitehead's process philosophy // MATTHEW DAVID SEGALL

I was born into a world where many of the things that are most important to me, like art, beauty, relationships, embodied experience, love, and the sacred, are not really considered very important to our understanding of the cosmos. They are thought of as ‘extra fluff’ rather than being at the core of our existence and reality. One of the thinkers who has tried to create a science more attuned to these philosophical questions was mathematician turned philosopher Alfred North Whitehead. In the early 20th century, this really radical time when quantum and relativity theory had begun to undermine the old mechanistic view of physics, Whitehead developed his process philosophy, which focused on the co-creative processes of the world’s becoming, and where lived experience, creativity and a poetic God took centre stage. Matthew David Segall, PhD, is a transdisciplinary philosopher and Associate Professor at California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco. His scholarship challenges dualistic and mechanistic paradigms and bridges process philosophy with contemporary science and spirituality. LINKS Matthew David Segall’s website and Substack California Institute of Integral Studies Centre for Process Studies SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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31. On building community – across the divides and beyond the doom // ASHLEY FITZGERALD

Is it possible to look clear-eyed at the enormous challenges we’re facing today, and still do something practical and creative in the face of that? What happens when we engage with nature and people in an embodied way, rather than through their representations in statistics and media? And how do we stand up for what we believe in without falling into the dehumanising tribalism of us versus them? Ashley Fitzgerald holds a PhD in environmental sociology, is the creator of the Rizoma Field School and a host of the Doomer Optimism podcast. She also organises Doomer optimism events, bringing together constellations of writers, thinkers, farmers, and practitioners, from all sides of the political spectrum. We met on a hot day in downtown Chicago, among the tall skyscrapers facing the river. LINKS: * Doomer Optimism Podcast * Ashley’s Rizoma Field school * Perception gap study SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.substack.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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30. Survival of the beautiful // DAVID ROTHENBERG

Why is there so much beauty in the natural world? What can we learn from jamming with the more-than-human? Join interspecies musician David Rothenberg and myself as we explore these questions and experience some bird-bug-clarinet collaboration, perched on a hillside outside of LA. David Rothenberg is a musician, composer and professor of philosophy and music, with a longtime interest in understanding other species by making music with them. In this conversation we follow his journey from being a young environmentalist collaborating with deep ecology founder Arne Næss to his current work as interspecies musician and philosopher, playing music with bugs, birds, whales, ponds and more. * David’s website * Documentary (free) Why Birds Sing: * Pond music * Arne Næss and deep ecology SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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29. Patterns of Meaning // JEREMY LENT

What are the underlying patterns of thought that have led our civilization into its current crises? And how might we begin to tell a different story, one that would allow both humans and the more-than-human to thrive? In this episode, I speak to author Jeremy Lent. In his wide-ranging book The Patterning Instinct, Jeremy identifies the root metaphors that different cultures have used to construct meaning in their universe, also tracing the deep historical foundations of our modern worldview. In his latest book, The Web of Meaning, he integrates science with traditional wisdom to tell a new story, one that is both scientifically rigorous and intrinsically meaningful. Jeremy Lent is an author exploring the patterns of thought that have led to our crisis of sustainability. He is founder of the nonprofit Liology Institute, dedicated to fostering an integrated worldview that could enable humanity to thrive sustainably on the earth. Special thank you to the Centre for Process Studies for helping to make this interview happen in conjunction with their Ecological Civilization conference. LINKS TO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT: * Jeremy’s website and books * Freya Matthews * Centre for Process Studies SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE 🎙️ The FoT Substack is now live! Become a free or paid subscriber and receive newsletters direct to your inbox. 🎧 All episodes and more at ⁠forestofthought.com⁠. 💜 Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠ or Substack.⁠ 🎵 Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen at ⁠stoneproduction.no⁠. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

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28. LIVE: Becoming human - the search for soul in turbulent times // MIKAEL KURKIALA

Many cultures maintain that we are not born human but that we may become fully human through cultivation and care. Could it be that our destructive tendencies are not because of our human-ness, but rather due to a lack of it? If so: where and how can we cultivate our humanity? All species play their part in the living web – what role might we humans have to play in this unfolding drama? Mikael Kurkiala is a cultural anthropologist and author. He spent many years living and working with the Oglala Lakota people of South Dakota, and is currently a researcher at the Swedish Church Office. His most recent books are "When the Soul Goes into Exile: Modernity, Technology & the Sacred“ and “Where the Pendulum has its Base: On the Eternal in Humans”. This conversation was recorded with a lovely audience at the Uppsala Public Library in Sweden, December 2024. It's one of three public conversations we hosted 2023-2024 as part of a series of events exploring the concept of ‘life-force’. You’ll find all three episodes (26, 27 & 28) at forestofthought.com or on your podcast listening platform. Support us on Patreon: ⁠⁠patreon.com/forestofthought⁠⁠ Share and subscribe. Find all available platforms ⁠here⁠. Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen at ⁠⁠stoneproduction.no⁠⁠. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

27. LIVE: Living an embodied life and crafting the Way // CAROLINE ROSS

Caroline Ross has spent decades being immersed in Daoism, art, crafting and foraging (and spent 10 years touring with her rock band). Today, her practice weaves these diverse threads together into a philosophy of life centred on embodied living, exploring the Way (in the Daoist sense of the word) and making art as if the Earth mattered. Caroline Ross is an artist, craftswoman, writer and T’ai Chi teacher. You’ll find her sharing her passion for foraging and crafting via @foundandground on IG, and she writes weekly on themes of embodied life, art and the Way as Uncivil Savant on Substack. This is one of three public conversations that were recorded 2023-2024 as part of a series of events exploring the concept of ‘life-force’. The final and last episode will arrive in a few weeks’ time! This episode was recorded at and produced in collaboration with CEMUS at Uppsala University, and supported by the Viriditas foundation. LINKS TO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT: Caroline’s books Caroline’s substack, The Uncivil Savant Link to Caroline’s text about the Spruce Tree Crone Dougald Hine's Substack The Dark Mountain Project Support us on Patreon: ⁠patreon.com/forestofthought⁠ Share and subscribe. Find all available platforms here. Our theme music is by Christian Holtsteen at ⁠stoneproduction.no⁠. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe

26. LIVE: Cultivating the human in an era of intelligent machines // JEREMY NAYDLER

Forest of Thought episodes are back! And over the next few weeks I’ll be sharing three public conversations that were recorded 2023-2024 as part of a series of events exploring the concept of ‘life-force’. We begin with philosopher Jeremy Naydler, delving into the question of how we may cultivate the human in a time of intelligent machines: “Advanced technologies and artificial intelligence are rapidly growing more enmeshed in our lives. How does this affect the deeper realms of consciousness, spirituality and our relation to the living world? What are the unfolding human qualities that machines cannot acquire and how might we cultivate them?” Jeremy Naydler is a gardener and philosopher based in Oxford, England. He has written several books on the experience of the sacred in ancient cultures. In his newer work he focuses on the fraught relationship between humans and technology as it has developed from ancient times until today, and explores how we cultivate the human in an era of intelligent machines. We recorded this with a wonderful audience at ⁠NAV Sweden⁠, Stockholm, in September 2023 with support from the Viriditas foundation. LINKS TO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT: Jeremy’s books on the sacred in ancient traditions (e.g. The Future of the Ancient World, The and Temple of the Cosmos). Jeremy’s books on technology in relation to the human (In the Shadow of the Machine and The Struggle for a Human Future). We would love your support! Find us on Patreon. Share and subscribe. Find all available platforms here. Our wonderful theme music is by Christian Holtsteen at ⁠stoneproduction.no⁠. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit forestofthought.substack.com/subscribe