Far From The Finishing Post

Troy Asset Management

Far From The Finishing Post explores the ideas and practices of leading investors in an effort to continuously grow our collective knowledge. This podcast is intended for UK listeners only. The views and information contained within this podcast do not constitute investment advice and should not be used as the basis for investment decisions. Any reference to securities should not be construed as a recommendation to buy or sell these securities. Any opinions expressed are those of the relevant individuals and do not necessarily reflect the views of Troy Asset Management and may be subject to change without notice. Past performance is not a guide to future performance and the value of an investment may fall as well as rise.

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#35
October 6 · 48 min
Django Davidson (Hosking Partners) - Agents Inside the Capital Cycle
Django Davidson is a fund manager at Hosking Partners. We discuss the nuances of capital cycle investing, the role of human behaviour in amplifying cycles, and Django’s thoughts on the unprecedented capital cycle we are currently living through. Show notes: [01:03] Django discusses his early career [03:32] Formative lessons from the GFC [05:20] The importance of independent thought [07:44] The capital cycle framework [09:23] How valuations and profits impact human agents [12:38] The impact of interest rates on capital cycles [15:09] Does the capital cycle framework work everywhere? [17:44] Japan’s improving returns [19:50] The importance of people and capital allocation [21:19] The advantages of broad diversification [23:57] Timing capital cycles and the risk of terminal decline [27:51] Portfolio themes [29:17] Navigating an extraordinary memory cycle [33:02] The hyperscalers are in a race [36:24] Views on growing AI demand [39:11] Undersupply in mining and energy [42:45] Death of the brand [47:04] Stay broad and focus on business and industry analysis
#34
April 23 · 48 min
James Davolos (Horizon Kinetics) - Elegant Equities for Higher Inflation
James Davolos is a portfolio manager at Horizon Kinetics, a US-based asset manager with a distinctive and long-term investment approach. We discuss James' evolution as an investor, how the investment and inflation backdrop is changing, and the merits of capital-light, real asset businesses. Show notes: [01:48] James discusses how he got into investing [04:18] The formative years [06:29] The importance of having a good mentor [08:47] Horizon Kinetics' core principles [11:24] Going off the beaten path [14:15] Capital-light, real asset businesses [21:51] Structurally higher inflation [26:30] Localised vs broad inflation [30:11] LandBridge and Miami International [36:19] Optionality [40:00] The best time to be a royalty company is in a bear market [43:29] Risks to be aware of [46:26] Focus on what matters
#33
Oct 15, 2025 · 50 min
Alastair Unwin (Polar Capital) - Investing in an AI-first World
Alastair Unwin is a fund manager on Polar Capital’s Technology team. We discuss Alastair’s career as a technology investor, AI’s exponential curve of improvement and potential as a general purpose technology, as well as the issues that investors should consider as ever more capital is spent to realise AI’s promise. Show notes: [01:33] Alastair discusses how he got into investing [03:14] Lessons from Herald, Neptune and Polar [05:05] Heuristics for technology investing [07:29] AI scaling laws [10:10] AI bottlenecks [13:45] Capital formation and AI’s new infrastructure [17:42] A hardware cycle [19:37] Motivations for increasing capex [25:08] Capex in the context of improving models and the global wage bill [28:49] Increasing circularity of AI financing [31:14] Is it winner takes all or will models be commoditised? [33:34] Nvidia and the depreciable life of chips [37:52] Hyperscalers’ ability to win in the new paradigm [40:32] Alphabet’s prospects [44:21] Adoption rates and use cases [49:03] Sitting with ambiguity and not being dogmatically convicted
#32
Jul 28, 2025 · 42 min
Sebastian Lyon & Charlotte Yonge (Troy) - Evolve to Preserve
Sebastian Lyon and Charlotte Yonge co-manage Personal Assets Trust and Troy’s Multi-Asset strategy. We discuss the strategy’s evolution over the last 25 years, Troy’s equity-centric approach to multi-asset investing, and why creating a resilient portfolio is as relevant as ever in today’s world. Show notes: [01:34] Founding philosophy [04:21] Avoiding complexity [07:25] Reasons for not owning derivatives [08:45] Charlotte’s career [10:41] Becoming co-manager [12:35] How Sebastian and Charlotte complement each other [16:43] Avoiding wasting assets [19:19] Finding opportunities with asymmetric risk [21:44] Hubbell and Verisign [24:45] Evolution of fixed income investments [27:08] Shortening of duration [31:00] Will the US$ remain a safe haven? [34:55] Attractions of the Japanese Yen [36:11] Gold as essential portfolio insurance [38:44] Does the macro impact asset allocation?
#31
Apr 30, 2025 · 40 min
Seth Brennan (Lincoln Peak Capital) - Partnership, Autonomy, Alignment
Seth Brennan is co-founder of Lincoln Peak Capital, which owns minority stakes in several asset management companies, including Troy. We discuss Lincoln Peak's long-term partnership model and the importance of autonomy and a strong alignment of interests as foundations for success. Show notes: [01:15] Seth discusses how he got into the industry [02:49] Joining Affiliated Managers Group [03:43] Lessons from AMG [06:37] Setting up Lincoln Peak [07:51] Starting a business in 2008 [10:01] The importance of having long-term capital [14:10] Lincoln Peak’s long-term ambitions [16:20] Exits [18:51] The due diligence process and reasons for a transaction [22:53] Importance of autonomy and alignment [25:01] Adding value to partner firms [28:26] Avoiding the temptation to intervene [31:52] Continuing relevance of active management [34:44] Catalyst for Troy transaction [35:35] Why Lincoln Peak is a good partner for Troy [37:14] Sebastian’s strengths as an investor [38:35] Be curious and ask questions
#30
Jan 21, 2025 · 46 min
Matthew McLennan (First Eagle) - Investing for Resilience
Matthew McLennan is co-head of First Eagle’s Global Value team and one of the portfolio managers of Global Value, a strategy that has delivered strong long-term compound returns. We discuss the importance of humility and patience, why resilience is emphasised throughout the portfolio, and how Global Value has survived and thrived across a broad range of market environments. Show notes: [01:24] How an unusual childhood informed Matt’s approach to investing [03:52] Succeeding Jean-Marie Eveillard [05:46] Continuous refinement of the investment kernel [07:04] Successful succession planning [09:45] Sustaining success over different market cycles [12:15] Important character traits and attributes [17:01] Impact of passive investing [19:20] The benefits of having a Senior Advisor Board [22:09] What value investing means to First Eagle [26:38] Endogenous integrity with the capacity to suffer [28:40] Discerning between secular change and noise [33:44] Approach to asset allocation [35:46] Benefits of owning gold [37:45] Role of cash in the portfolio [40:11] High valuations and prospective returns [42:51] Gold miners vs bullion [44:41] Understanding the process of growth and the role of endogenous confidence cycles
#29
Nov 11, 2024 · 36 min
Gabrielle Boyle & George Viney (Troy) - Patient Improvement
Gabrielle Boyle and George Viney co-manage Troy’s Global Equity strategy. We discuss why the market persistently underestimates the compounding power of rare and exceptional companies, the importance of recognising one’s biases and striving to learn and improve as investors, and why Gabrielle and George work so well together as a team. Show notes: [01:26] Why the market persistently underestimates the compounding power of rare and exceptional businesses [02:41] Companies don’t compound in a linear way [05:09] Having the right environment to sustain success [08:55] How Gabrielle and George complement each other [10:35] The importance of having an inner critic [12:45] Continuous improvement [14:24] Combining resilience with reinvestment potential [16:10] Characteristics of special businesses [18:35] Sell discipline [20:41] Minimising biases and ensuring accountability [24:39] Balancing strong operational performance with fair valuations [27:32] A concentrated portfolio with broadly diversified businesses [29:17] Troy’s broader team [30:57] Cognitive diversity with shared values [33:04] Confidence in the future [34:29] Back your conviction
#28
May 10, 2024 · 47 min
Dan Davidowitz (Polen Capital) - Compounding Made Simple
Dan Davidowitz is lead portfolio manager of Polen Capital’s Focus Growth strategy. We discuss Dan’s evolution as an investor, Polen’s investment guardrails, and other factors that have helped the strategy deliver exceptional returns over the last 35 years. Show notes: [01:16] Dan discusses how he pivoted from public health to investing [02:56] Thoughts on healthcare investing [04:30] Shifting from a deep value shop to Polen Capital [07:44] Keep things simple [10:01] Time arbitrage with businesses that are the best-of-the-best [12:12] Creating a high performance investment team [14:23] The importance of being both optimistic and open-minded to change [16:34] Getting better each day to remain competitive [17:59] Polen Capital’s evolution [20:40] Polen’s investment guardrails [22:14] Vigilance and conservatism for continuous compounding of earnings growth [24:35] Making sure companies are investing adequately for their future [26:34] Acquisition-driven companies [28:45] Investing across the growth spectrum [31:17] Having a broad mix of competitively-advantaged businesses [33:51] Valuation discipline [36:45] Lessons from the last few years [38:30] Impact of GenAI [41:03] Why Amazon is a large holding [45:35] Building any experience is good experience
#27
Mar 22, 2024 · 41 min
Robbie Robertson (Personal Assets Trust) - Trust Matters
In this episode we speak to Robbie Robertson. Robbie is on the Board of Personal Assets Trust and spent a nearly 40-year career in the investment trust industry. We discuss the evolution of the investment trust industry, the advantages of a closed-end structure and the role Personal Assets Trust can play in a portfolio. Show notes: [01:28] A different world [03:17] Observations from a career in the investment trust industry [06:42] Characteristics of successful investors [08:03] How Robbie got involved with Personal Assets Trust [09:03] Advantages of the investment trust structure [11:39] Evolution of the investment trust industry [15:05] Impact of higher interest rates and a changing cycle [16:48] Are they investment trusts or operating companies? [20:54] Valuing assets in newer parts of the market [22:24] Appropriateness of the investment structure for alternative assets [23:57] Is there demand for general equity investment trusts? [25:51] Why some investment trusts scale and others fail [27:25] Common pitfalls to avoid [28:57] Trading discounts [30:50] What makes a great investment trust Board? [32:58] The role Personal Assets Trust plays in a portfolio [37:56] Advantages of a discount control mechanism [39:36] Why most Boards do not commit to a discount control mechanism [40:47] Enjoy yourself
#26
Feb 9, 2024 · 41 min
Jim Strang (HgCapital Trust) - Building an Experience Curve in Business Software
In this episode we speak to Jim Strang, Chairman of HGCapital Trust. The Trust has an outstanding track record investing in business-to-business software companies. We discuss the evolution in private markets over Jim’s career, the benefits of specialisation and the reasons behind Hg Capital’s success. Show notes: [01:15] Jim discusses his early career [02:12] HgCapital Trust’s history [03:41] The benefits of specialisation [05:56] The importance of controlling the capital structure [08:02] Characteristics of typical Hg investments [10:07] The growth model [11:29] End market fragmentation [13:29] Being highly selective [16:25] Having the flexibility to own the best businesses over the long run [18:07] Replicating Hg’s success in the US [19:58] Why Hg is an attractive owner for entrepreneurs [22:35] Sustaining Hg’s culture and using greater scale to drive operational improvement. [25:25] Objectively assessing each company’s potential [27:03] Low loss rates and a few major successes [27:57] Why things typically go wrong [30:22] Leverage and the capital structure [33:33] Valuing private companies [38:43] M&A in a higher interest rate environment [40:54] Trust your gut
#25
Nov 10, 2023 · 47 min
Stuart Widdowson (Odyssean Capital) - Concentrating on UK Smaller Companies
Stuart Widdowson founded Odyssean Capital, is co-manager of the Odyssean Investment Trust, and has a wealth of experience investing in UK-listed smaller companies. We discuss the lessons Stuart has applied to public equity investing from his days in private equity, the rewards derived from investing in good quality companies that can be improved, and the overall state of the UK market. Show notes: [01:28] Stuart discusses his early career [04:12] Swapping private equity for public equity investing [06:11] The market imperfections in small cap investing [07:44] A focus on global niche market leaders [09:35] Stuart’s ambitions for Odyssean Capital and its cultural values [11:51] The meaning behind the Odyssean name [12:49] The benefits of concentration [14:25] Managing risk and avoiding bad businesses [16:41] The quality attributes Stuart looks for [19:38] Pattern recognition in TMT, healthcare, specialist industrials and services [22:18] Being cycle aware rather than trying to time cycles [24:18] The role of static and dynamic valuation [28:20] Managing for liquidity [31:27] Identifying companies with the potential for self-help [34:15] Backing people and focusing on what is fixable [36:05] Being credible when engaging with companies [39:37] The structural headwinds facing UK equities and the valuation opportunity [43:16] Contrarians come in first [44:18] Navigating a higher cost of capital [47:20] Find out what you enjoy and are good at and get a good mentor
#24
Sep 11, 2023 · 40 min
Oddbjørn Dybvad (REQ Capital) - Acquisition-driven Compounders
In this episode we speak to Oddbjørn Dybvad, co-founder of REQ Capital, an Oslo-based investment firm. Oddbjørn manages REQ’s Global Compounders and Nordic Compounders funds, which focus on acquisition-driven businesses. We discuss the entrepreneurial energy within these companies, why they are able to reinvest capital at attractive rates for a long period of time and how their diversified and decentralised nature makes them both resilient and adaptable. Show notes: [01:22] Oddbjørn discusses his career [02:26] The risk and return characteristics of acquisition-driven compounders [04:25] The influence of geography [07:01] Defining the different types of serial acquirer [09:12] Focusing on small/mid-caps with a long runway for redeploying capital [10:41] The diversification benefits of acquisition-driven companies [12:11] A preference for insider ownership, decentralisation and acquisitions funded by cash [13:29] Communicating with investors in a different way [14:53] Key person risk and the sustainability of culture [16:28] Change at Diploma [18:07] Harnessing entrepreneurial energy through decentralisation [20:43] Decentralisation and adaptability [21:59] Motivating behaviour through simple incentivisation structures [24:52] Focusing on track record and management [25:56] Constellation Software and the decentralisation of capital allocation [28:07] The valuation differential between public and private markets [30:51] The attractions of selling to acquisition-driven compounders [33:06] Looking for the dual engine of organic and inorganic growth [35:04] The underlying characteristics of REQ Global Compounders [37:13] Becoming more conscious about evaluating risk and management [39:07] Finding people who are process-oriented and have a long-term mind-set [39:55] Learn from your mistakes
#23
Jul 21, 2023 · 43 min
Kiril Sokoloff (13D Research) - An Insidious Environment
Kiril Sokoloff founded 13D Research in 1983 and is a leading global investment strategist who has presciently called a number of major paradigm shifts over the last 40 years. We discuss Kiril’s career, why the current investment backdrop is so challenging and how the geopolitical landscape is evolving. Show notes: [01:23] Kiril talks about the start of his career [04:18] Getting the big picture right [07:48] The impact of algorithmic trading and passive investing on price discovery [09:57] Timing is everything [10:48] Risk control and being willing to change your mind [12:39] The common traits of successful investors [14:44] Reading widely to connect the dots [15:41] Why the investment environment is so challenging [19:18] The lag effect giving the illusion that everything’s fine [21:14] The role gold plays in a portfolio [24:19] The cycle of wealth distribution [25:54] Cycles go from one extreme to the other [26:45] Focusing on cash flow and low free cash flow multiples [28:23] Supply and demand imbalances in the energy and mining industries [30:47] Resource nationalism [32:21] A changing market regime [33:35] Drivers of higher inflation [37:33] Geopolitics and the shift to a multipolar world [40:21] Investing in China [42:15] Accepting fate whilst being flexible and patient
#22
Jun 2, 2023 · 39 min
Prashant Khemka (White Oak) - A High-Performance Culture in Indian Equities
Prashant Khemka has a strong track record managing capital in India and global emerging markets. He established Goldman Sachs Asset Management’s India franchise in 2006, was lead portfolio manager of Goldman’s India Equity and Global Emerging Market Equity strategies, and in 2017 founded White Oak Capital Management, where he has continued to deliver impressive returns. We discuss Prashant’s investment philosophy, how to build a high performing team, why investing is similar to elite sport, and the attractions of investing in India. Show notes: [01:27] Catching the investment bug [04:04] Prashant’s early career [06:16] Learning from a mentor [08:10] Building a strong investment culture [10:25] Having an elite performance mentality [13:02] The key attributes of good stock pickers [14:39] India is an alpha rich market [15:46] The importance of good governance and a strong rule of law [17:55] India’s equity market is becoming more efficient but it takes time [20:26] India’s economic strength provides a solid foundation [22:24] Growth is a function of change [25:04] Investing in great businesses at attractive valuations [29:10] Emerging market private sector banks offer more profitable opportunities with lower risk [32:44] Indian equity valuations relative to history [36:41] Growth is a critical component of the value equation [38:47] Spend more time with family and focus on learning what you love
#21
Apr 18, 2023 · 46 min
Paul Major (Bellevue) - Innovations To Fix a Broken System
Paul Major co-manages the Bellevue Healthcare Trust and has a wealth of experience of the healthcare industry. We discuss how healthcare has evolved, why existing healthcare systems are fundamentally challenged, and the approach Paul takes to investing in the industry as a result. Show notes: [01:15] Paul discusses how he got into finance [03:15] Bellevue [04:31] General lessons for healthcare investing [06:01] Delivering innovation and why R&D doesn’t scale [10:07] Focusing on the key problems society faces [13:48] Keeping healthcare investing simple [16:47] Why the healthcare system is broken [19:53] Finding productivity gains [22:07] Preventative medicine [24:12] Fixing a problem that didn’t previously exist [29:02] The US healthcare system [32:03] Transition to value-based care [33:45] Constructing a portfolio of innovative companies [36:59] The fast moving pace of healthcare innovation [39:13] Understanding what innovation looks like [39:37] The importance of educating physicians [40:56] Valuing young, innovative companies [45:47] Corporate finance provides an excellent education
#20
Mar 24, 2023 · 31 min
Blake Hutchins (Troy) - The Sweet Spot for UK Equity Income
Blake Hutchins manages the Trojan Income Fund and is co-manager of the Troy Income & Growth Trust. We discuss the changing investment environment, why it could be good for high-quality, dividend-paying companies, and where Blake is finding value in the UK market today. Show notes: [1:16] Being deliberate and patient during tough times [3:30] Equity income investing in a different environment [6:50] Striking the right balance between yield and dividend growth [9:38] Why Blake doesn’t invest in banks and commodity businesses [13:31] The power of incumbency [16:27] The impact of higher inflation [18:33] UK equity valuations [21:30] UK domestic exposure [23:58] How the portfolio has evolved [25:39] The attractiveness of UK-listed consumer staples companies [27:34] Dividends are on a more stable footing following the pandemic [30:31] Growing the dividend in a resilient and consistent way
#19
Feb 10, 2023 · 44 min
Swetha Ramachandran (GAM) - Luxury's Broadening Appeal
Swetha Ramachandran manages GAM's luxury brand strategy and knows the luxury industry inside out. We discuss Swetha's definition of luxury, the pre-eminence of European brands, the rise of China and how the industry is evolving. [01:05] Swetha discusses her early career [03:01] Luxury is changing and widening [06:13] Defining luxury [07:53] Sizing the luxury market [09:10] Characteristics of a luxury shopper [10:59] The role of gaming and online in attracting younger consumers [13:37] Why European companies dominate the luxury industry [16:28] Chinese consumption [20:16] Trend of buying less but buying better [22:10] Importance of supply chain transparency [23:24] How the rules of the game differ to the broader consumer goods sector [25:30] Luxury companies can't simply rest on their laurels [28:21] US brands typically haven't built as much brand equity [29:29] How big can luxury brands become before they fail to deliver promise of exclusivity [30:42] Gaining confidence in the brand permanence of younger companies [33:19] Family ownership and the benefits of taking a long-term view [34:47] Online has supported rather than disrupted luxury brands [36:31] Luxury resale hurts aspirational luxury brands but helps top tier brands [37:42] Have luxury companies been too aggressive with pricing? [39:50] Valuations and the opportunity set today [42:28] Are luxury goods companies now more sensitive to recession? [43:50] There's no such thing as a stupid question
#18
Dec 20, 2022 · 45 min
Ben Rogoff (Polar Capital) - The Importance Of Not Missing Out
Ben Rogoff is co-head of Polar Capital's Global Technology team. Having joined the industry just before the technology bubble of the late 1990's and early 2000's, Ben has a wealth of experience navigating different market cycles. We discuss the environment today, the similarities and differences with the TMT bubble and what it takes to be a successful tech investor. We also dive into Ben's investment themes, the benefits of being diversified and the importance of not missing out on big winners. Show notes: [1:33] Ben discusses his early career [4:12] Surviving the bursting of the tech bubble [5:21] Lessons from the tech bubble [7:44] Joining Polar Capital [9:01] Guardrails for tech investing [12:43] There is often no mean reversion in tech [14:23] Companies should behave differently at different stages of maturity [17:11] Reinvestment risk is high in tech [18:13] The importance of not missing out on the big winners [20:22] The benefits of being diversified [21:20] Sell discipline [23:36] False sell signals in the current environment [25:00] Investment themes and why tech as an enabler of new industries [28:25] Is AI a general purpose technology? [30:45] The semiconductor cycle and geopolitical risk [33:33] Similarities and differences with the tech bubble [36:53] Adapting to a different capital market environment [40:00] The scale advantages of Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet et al [43:42] Recording how you feel in the moment and getting to where you want to be as quickly as possible
#17
Nov 15, 2022 · 41 min
Gerard Minack (Minack Advisors) - The End of Secular Stagnation
Gerard Minack has a wealth of experience as a macro strategist and founded Minack Advisors in 2013. Gerard has been particularly prescient over the last 18 months, highlighting the probability of rising inflation and higher interest rates well before many others. We discuss how the pandemic changed Gerard's macro views, why he believes secular stagnation has come to an end and what implications that has for investors in the years ahead. Gerard also talks about why he believes a recession in the US next year is more likely than not. Show notes: [1:19] Gerard talks about joining the industry on Black Monday in 1987 [2:17] Founding Minack Advisors after a successful career in big investment banks [6:49] The end of secular stagnation [11:34] The implications of such a change [14:06] Most investors still underestimate the possibility of secular change [15:52] The risk of recession isn't adequately priced by markets [17:25] Why Gerard believes this will be a two part bear market with a recession hitting earnings next year [20:35] Equities usually trough a few months before the end of a recession [25:00] Labour inflation and why the Federal Reserve's job is so hard [27:08] The winners of the next decade [33:11] Private assets and why it is becoming harder to generate alpha [35:27] Why Gerard thinks US government bonds may now be a good place to hide [37:28] The credit cycle [40:20] Do a job that you enjoy
#16
Sep 2, 2022 · 40 min
Andrew Brenton (Turtle Creek) - A Different Kind Of Value Investing
Andrew Brenton co-founded Turtle Creek, a Toronto-based asset manager, in the late 1990s. Since its inception, Turtle Creek has delivered outstanding returns by investing in mid-sized companies in the US and Canada. We discuss Andrew's formative experiences and evolution from private to public market investor, as well as the team's focus on unique companies and exceptional operators. We also talk about the emphasis Turtle Creek place on continuous portfolio optimisation, and other aspects of their process that make them a different kind of value investor. Show notes: [1:24] Andrew discusses his career and taking inspiration from John Maynard Keynes [4:35] The benefits of public market vs private market investing [7:59] Appreciating complexity in an uncertain world [11:54] Competitive advantages [15:01] The benefits of fragmented industries [17:01] Focusing on unique companies [19:49] Trusting great operators [20:46] Getting the future right in a balanced way rather than being overly conservative [23:38] Behavioural biases and collectively making intelligent decisions [27:03] Valuing acquisitive companies [29:27] Focusing on episodic rather than programmatic acquirers [31:08] Portfolio construction and optimisation [34:21] Appreciating qualitative factors and a human touch [38:19] Turnover [38:52] Have confidence in your views and act more quickly

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