Eternal Horizons

A Magic: the Gathering podcast looking out on legacy and beyond. Francis Cowper (FGC) and Jasper Murison-Bowie (JustJasper) discuss eternal formats legacy and vintage, plus excursions into other formats including cube, premodern and whatever else takes their fancy.

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S1 · E12
August 4 · 1 hr 16 min
Episode 12: Eternal Mania recap – Vintage victories and Legacy losses
Plus: a top 8 Premodern performance and Team Trios triumphs. After a summer of travelling, we’re back to recap a brilliant weekend at Eternal Mania in Hasselt, Belgium. We start with the 216-player Legacy main event, with Jasper finishing 24th on Welder Cam and Francis 41st on Cephalid Breakfast, before moving on to the team trios event, where Jasper played Old School for team Eternal Horizons (controversial) and Francis played Vintage for the Lightning Dolts, or possibly the Lightning Dogs. Francis then continues the story of his weekend with his win in the Vintage main event on Doomsday, while Jasper tells the tale of taking his Welder Survival deck into the Premodern Top 8. We cover our deck choices, notable matches, feature-match experiences and tournament highs and lows. Decklists Jasper's Welder Cam list: https://moxfield.com/decks/TflYs94cY0mTnaZsoiYLNQ Francis’ Cephalid Breakfast list: https://moxfield.com/decks/qBifAUiBYHK_cISDXhx0yw Jasper's Atog list: https://moxfield.com/decks/pNasrBp-70WzEpn7XSJqBQ Francis’ Doomsday list: https://moxfield.com/decks/ntUjBCRr-0OogKRxQbcQbQ Jasper's Welder Survival list: https://moxfield.com/decks/bVWfAennj3G441il0yg-4A
S1 · E11
June 1 · 1 hr 3 min
Episode 11: How to beat the best deck
In this episode, Francis and Jasper discuss a listener question: when a format has a clear deck to beat, how do you prepare for it? They talk through how much weight to give the top deck when choosing a deck, building a sideboard, and testing for an event, as well as some of the traps players can fall into when metagaming. They also consider the flipside: what to do if your deck is the deck to beat. After that, they catch up on some local Legacy events, including a very amusing Thursday where Francis built a mystery deck for Jasper to play completely blind. Finally, Francis rounds things out with a tournament report from the Spotlight Series Legacy Cup in London, where he Doomsday and managed to navigate his way to a Top 8 finish. ⁠HawkBlade (Initiative Crusher)⁠ ⁠Sloth Depths⁠ Doomsday
S1 · E10
May 3 · 55 min
Episode 10: How to choose a deck for a tournament
In this episode, Francis and Jasper start by discussing a listener question about how to choose a deck for a tournament. Exploring ideas around gameplay mentality and how to approach a tournament in general, they weigh up choosing the best deck vs choosing a deck you love. That leads nicely into discussion of a recent online Legacy tournament: the Ecobaronen ELMQ, and an unorthodox deck choice made by their friend Jamie: Nic Fit. They discuss the innovative list, featuring cards like Esper Origins and Alpha Deathclaw, and why it was well-positioned into the metagame. At time of recording, Francis was also looking forward to welcoming noted Dredge specialist Mahfuz van Gogh to the London weekly by playing a mono green Painter brew, while Jasper looked ahead to a paper ELMQ at the weekend. Finally, they wrap up with a brief discussion of some rounds they played against each other in Old School and Legacy locals and cast a glance forward to an xpoints event.
S1 · E9
April 12 · 1 hr 3 min
Episode 9: A Big Cephalid Breakfast + Secrets of Strixhaven + Old School Counter-Burn
In this episode, Francis and Jasper start with some discussion of Francis’ latest innovation of a “Big Breakfast” list which eschews white cards for Stock Up and Ancient Tomb. Having lost to a Cephalid list featuring Stock Up in a league, his curiosity led him to exploring lists on mtgtop8 before he settled on the list he took to an unbeaten finish at his local weekly. Talk then turns to the new set, Secrets of Strixhaven, with cards like Flow State, Erode and Petrified Hamlet being evaluated for their Legacy playability. While both express concerns about the potential of Flow State, given Expressive Iteration’s spot on the ban list, they’re broadly optimistic that it will be an interesting set for the format. Lastly, they return to the topic of Old School. Francis reflects on his experiences at COPCon XXV, while Jasper has been buying a bunch of sweet old cards for his first forays into the format. Blue-red CounterBurn has caught his eye, and the pair consider the viability of playing an unpowered deck in a format which allows a full set of moxen, Black Lotus and Ancestral Recall. Big Cephalid Breakfast Old School blue-red CounterBurn
S1 · E8
March 27 · 1 hr
Episode 8: Old School Magic & the Derby derby
In this episode, Francis and Jasper kick things off with some Old School Magic ahead of an upcoming event: COPCon XXV, a local London tournament. Francis shares some insight into the arcane format (Swedish rules and Ravenna reprint policies), explains what the gameplay is like, and talks about his beautifully altered Esper tempo list. After that, they dive into recent developments with Paparazzi Painter, and share their thoughts on the deck following the Derby ELMQ. Tezzeret, Cruel Captain has commandeered a spot in the deck, but who knows if he’ll stick around. To wrap up, they discuss the latest ban list update: what didn't happen, what justifications were given for that by Wizards of the Coast and what they were hoping for instead.
S1 · E7
March 14 · 1 hr 22 min
Episode 7: Painter special with Callum Smith
In this episode of Eternal Horizons, Francis and Jasper are joined by a very special guest to discuss all things Painter and Goblin Welder in Legacy. Fresh off top 8’ing a challenge with the new Sewer-veillance Cam combo in a red-based Painter deck, former Everyday Eternal co-host Callum Smith joins the cast for a deep dive on the new deck. All three of them have been playing as many different builds and ideas as they’ve had time for, and even though it’s only a week into the new meta, some clear patterns are emerging. Your hosts explore what the core of the deck is, where their lists diverge and what further options might be available for refining the archetype. Drawing on listener questions, they also discuss how the new combo has changed bad matchups for the better, and generally been a shot in the arm for an archetype that’s been struggling to keep up with recent metagame shifts. Callum’s top 8 list Francis’ 5-0 list Painter discord link
S1 · E6
February 26 · 1 hr 11 min
Episode 6: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in Legacy?
In this episode of Eternal Horizons, Francis and Jasper check in on the current Legacy landscape and have a look at some cards in the upcoming Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles set. To begin, they discuss the decks they’ve been playing at recent local Legacy events. Francis has been having some fun with Dredge and Miracles, and they’ve both been exploring a red Painter deck featuring Pinnacle Emissary. Jasper then reflects on his run at the Bath European Legacy Masters Qualifier: the more stock version of Painter he registered, constructing a sideboard, and broader ideas around metagaming in today’s Legacy field. What do you try to beat in a qualifier, and how confident can you really be in your predictions? With a look ahead to the Derby ELMQ, the pair talk through what they might register and consider how TMNT may influence deck selection and preparation in the coming weeks. Causing particular excitement is a certain Sewer-veillance Cam, which presents a variety of infinite combos with Goblin Welder. Your hosts talk through some of the options and speculate on where the combo might land in the Legacy landscape.
S1 · E5
February 9 · 1 hr 11 min
Episode 5: Premodern Psychatog and Welder Survival
In this episode, Francis and Jasper talk about Premodern following Francis' top-8 success at a local tournament. He gives a rundown of his experience playing Psychatog and reflects on what he learnt about the deck and the format more generally. Jasper has also been playing Premodern, testing lists in search of a deck to pick up. He seems to have hit on something he really enjoys, Welder Survival, and waxes lyrical about the range of fun gameplay and deckbuilding options. In a departure from the usual Eternal-format discussion, Jasper shouts out Pro Tour Lorwyn Eclipsed, a great recent event showcasing a Standard format that has enticed him to build his first Standard deck in a decade. Moving on to Legacy, Francis and Jasper have both had a chance to play the blue-red Repurposing Bay Painter list they discussed last episode, and share some thoughts on potential changes to the decklist. They wrap up with a brief consideration of what might get banned in the February 9th announcement, but conclude that Legacy bans are unlikely. Premodern Psychatog Premodern Toginator Premodern Welder Tinker Premodern Welder Surival PT Lorwyn Eclipsed coverage PT Lorwyn Eclipsed - Izzet Elementals Legacy Repurposing Bay Painter (weekly list) Legacy Repurposing Bay Painter (blasts main) Intro & outro music: King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard - ‘Inner Cell’ & ‘Horology’ 00:00:00 Introduction 00:03:42 Premodern Psychatog 00:11:53 Tournament report 00:24:47 Reflecting on Psychatog's strengths and weaknesses 00:27:18 Jasper's search for a Premodern deck 00:31:43 RG Welder Survival 00:35:41 Gameplay and decklist considerations 00:43:34 Pro Tour Lorwyn Eclipsed 00:45:53 Standard top 8 decklists 00:53:20 Legacy Repurposing Bay Painter 01:03:31 Refining Repurposing Bay 01:06:32 Legacy B&R announcement predictions
S1 · E4
January 25 · 59 min
Episode 4: Lorwyn Eclipsed & Premodern Parallax Tide ban
In this episode, Francis and Jasper take a look at Magic’s latest set, Lorwyn Eclipsed, and evaluate some of the cards cropping up in Legacy. Starting with Hexing Squelcher, they discuss a few of the different archetypes trying out the new card: Storm, Sneak and Show, and Goblins. Beyond that, an innovative Aluren list with Formidable Speaker has caught Francis’ eye, as has the new elemental incarnation Vibrance, while Jasper raises Catharsis and Kirol, Attentive First-Year for discussion after their appearance in a red-white Energy deck. Moving on from Lorwyn, your hosts briefly shout-out a tournament finish for their blue-black Painter list from episode 2 before getting a bit lost in the sauce discussing Jasper’s ideas for a blue-red Repurposing Bay version of Painter. The final topic for the episode is Premodern and the recent banning of Parallax Tide. Francis and Jasper share some thoughts on why they agree with the ban, but also try to understand the mindset of those opposed to it. After a chat about a spicy Hermit Druid (Full English Breakfast) list, they finish with a look ahead to Francis’ options for an upcoming tournament. Killabee’s Squelcher Storm deck list Otaba’s Formidable Speaker Aluren deck list RG Lands with Vibrance RingoDeathStarr’s UB UB Painter top 16 challenge finish 5c Hermit Druid Full English Breakfast Intro & outro music: King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard - ‘Inner Cell’ & ‘Horology’ 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:46 Hexing Squelcher 00:11:31 Formidable Speaker in Aluren 00:15:48 Vibrance and Catharsis 00:23:28 Goblins! 00:27:59 UBUB Painter's challenge top 16 00:30:32 Tinkering with Repurposing Bay 00:41:44 Parallax Tide banned in Premodern 00:47:44 Premodern deck choices and Full English Breakfast 00:57:22 Upcoming London events
S1 · E3
January 11 · 1 hr 8 min
Episode 3: Unbans in Legacy?
In this episode, Francis and Jasper pick up where they left off last episode with a bit more cube chat. Responding to an LSV video in which he talks about over- and underrated cards, they focus on Library of Alexandria and Fastbond and discuss what it takes to make those cards good and when you should draft them. Moving on to Legacy, your hosts take some time to reflect on the format in general and whether it would benefit from any bans or unbans. Beginning with the latter, they run through a list of suggested unbans which run the gamut of plausible to potentially format-destroying. With a particular consideration of play patterns and game experiences, they then turn their attention to Oops All Spells, currently experiencing a surge in play and boasting an impressive conversion rate into the top 8s of recent Legacy Challenges. Francis and Jasper then both give their thoughts on whether Tamiyo or The One Ring should see a ban, while remaining positive about the improvements seen to the format since the banning of Entomb and Nadu. To wrap up, they have a chat about what they’re likely to play at their next local weekly, with Francis previewing a new GB midrange brew he’s been working on. LSV’s video about Vintage cube Jasper’s Fastbond deck Reddit thread about unbans Ecobaronen’s Metagame Monday 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:47 Is Library of Alexandria overrated in cube? 00:05:32 Drafting Fastbond 00:14:09 Debating Legacy unbans 00:30:20 Is Oops! All Spells too good? 00:40:07 The problem with MDFC lands 00:50:55 Should Tamiyo and The One Ring be banned? 01:02:57 Legacy deck ideas for weeklies Intro & outro music: King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard - ‘Inner Cell’ & ‘Horology’
S1 · E2
Dec 29, 2025 · 1 hr 48 min
Episode 2: Second Light
In this episode of Eternal Horizons, Jasper and Francis sit down on Christmas Eve to look back on their recent experiences at December's London Legacy Monthly, where they both registered the same Lady Octopus Painter list. They talk through how the deck came together, how it performed across the rounds, and what stood out in an event full of Orcish Bowmasters. The conversation then moves to European Legacy Masters 2026, touching on the newly announced date, previous experiences, and the upcoming UK qualifiers in Bath, Derby and London. The second half of the episode turns to the MTGO Vintage Cube, exploring the recent changes made for this iteration as Francis mourns the loss of Cryptic Command. The episode finishes with two Limited Resources-style pack-one-pick-ones before signing off for the holidays. Francis' LLM-winning list European Legacy Masters Jasper's vintage cube draft deck Chapters 00:08 Introduction 01:18 London Legacy Monthly 10:59 LLM round by round 33:32 European Legacy Masters 2026 37:39 Vintage Cube overview 44:00 Vintage Cube card swaps 57:49 Pack one pick one (First pack) 01:22:02 Pack one pick one (Second pack) 01:47:37 Closing remarks Intro & outro music: King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard - ‘Inner Cell’ & ‘Horology’
S1 · E1
Dec 14, 2025 · 1 hr 17 min
Episode 1: Sunrise
In this first episode of Eternal Horizons, Francis and Jasper kick things off by talking about how they got into Magic before discussing their experiences at Eternal Weekend EU in Lucca. They reflect on their early days in Magic, discovering a shared fondness for casting Cruel Ultimatum, before discussing Legacy’s history in the time that they’ve been playing it, including Miracles, Painter, and a few major bannings. The second half of the episode focuses on Eternal Weekend as your hosts muse on the beautiful city of Lucca and give a breakdown of their team trios performance, plus an account of Francis’ top 32 run with Jeskai Gifts Breach in Vintage. Jasper talks about the two different builds of Painter he played: blue-green Echo Painter and red-white Strawberry Shortcake, while Francis goes through his choices for Cephalid Breakfast and his Premodern Life Combo deck. After a brief digression into options for unpowered Vintage lists, they wrap up with a look ahead to an upcoming local tournament, with an innovative new build of Painter hoving into view. Decklists and other links: Alex’s Trios Pauper Elves Francis’ Vintage Gifts Breach Jasper’s Trios Legacy Echo Painter Painting By Numbers: Complete History of Painter Jasper’s Legacy Strawberry Shortcake Jasper’s round 2 feature match Francis’ Legacy Cephalid Breakfast Francis’ Premodern Life Combo Intro & outro music: King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard - 'Inner Cell' & 'Horology' Chapters: 00:00 Intro - Welcome to Eternal Horizons 01:10 Francis’ Magic origins + early Legacy experiences 04:19 Jasper’s path into Legacy + discovering Painter 06:01 Early Legacy decks, budgets, and learning the format 09:06 Miracles, Sensei’s Divining Top, and a defining era 12:28 Post-WAR Legacy and how the format changed 16:26 Why record a Legacy podcast? 18:17 Eternal Weekend Lucca 20:56 Team Trio event 29:24 Choosing a Legacy deck for the main event 31:08 Playing Jeskai Gifts Breach in Vintage 39:15 Powered vs unpowered Vintage 48:16 Building Painter in Legacy (new tech + experiments) 51:00 Legacy main event - Strawberry Shortcake Painter 53:23 What is a Clam Session? 56:48 Legacy main event - Cephalid Breakfast 01:01:39 Premodern - GW Life Combo 01:10:23 Looking ahead - future episodes + LLM

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