Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)

Rafal (Wh1t3Rabbit) Los

This is Cybersecurity's premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you're just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you'll always learn something on this show.

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March 10 · 25 min
DtSR Episode 696 - Zero Trust CyberSecurity Shenanigans
TL;DR: This week's podcast is live'ish from Zero Trust World 2026, put on by ThreatLocker. It's a lively conversation with their CPO Rob Allen who can't help himself but mess with my recording equipment. Shenanigans ensue. You'll love it. YouTube video: https://youtu.be/aOP6IT8OiDI Have something to say? Let's hear it. Show Sponsor: ThreatLocker Allow what you need, block everything else... Including ransomware. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
March 3 · 50 min
DtSR Episode 695 - Cyber Is Headed for a Market Meltdown
TL;DR: Is cybersecurity headed for a market meltdown? Are we watching the bubble pop? Patrick Dennis joins Rafal to give some observations, analyze and provide guidance on what's happening, and what's to come. Buckle that chin strap, it's going to get crazy. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/bhtvOSv48Jc Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
February 24 · 45 min
DtSR Episode 694 - Seasonal Martyrdom and Cyber Burnout
TL;DR: We've all experienced it - either you're the one, or you know someone, who works themselves to death. Whether it's "part of the job" or part of the job - it always leads to the same end. Rebekah Wilke and Ryan Halstead join James and I to talk through a very timely and critically important topic from a leadership perspective. Big thanks to my guy Josh Jones for the excellent connection. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/Adpyja9KIkU Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
February 17 · 59 min
DtSR Episode 693 - The Most Important AI Conversation
TL;DR: This is one of the most relevant AI conversations, in the moment. Gadi Evron joins me to talk about how AI is not just changing everything, but how it's actually going to impact what you're doing - from security to everything else. Tune in, this is a critical conversation. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/t48sX54QCwI Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
February 10 · 38 min
DtSR Episode 692 - Ran Nahmias the Perpetual Entrepreneur
TL;DR: What's it like to be an entrepreneur your entire career? Always trying something new, always doing something different? Ask Ran Nahmias, someone who's been around long enough to have done it all, and he's not done yet. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/qngve0dmd7M Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
February 3 · 38 min
DtSR Episode 691 - How to Make External Security Testing Useless
TL;DR: Today, Julian Brownlow Davies rejoins the pod (Ep 688) to continue the conversation about 3rd party external security testing. It's strong opinions and tales of woe all around. Episode 688: https://dtsr.buzzsprout.com/2153215/episodes/18498795-dtsr-episode-688-looking-for-meaning-in-the-signal YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/6ZCPNXR_5u0 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
January 27 · 44 min
DtSR Episode 690 - Defenders of the Internet Pipes
TL;DR: This week's guest is Matt Carothers who works at a major Internet provider. We talk about defending, strategy, and some of the interesting topics that come with the job. If you have Internet at home, or at the office, or on the go - this episode is for you. There will probably be a part 2. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/tJcjtgn759g Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
January 20 · 51 min
DtSR Episode 689 - Off the Rails - Social Media is Evil
TL;DR: Social media is corrupting our kids, radicalizing your neighbors, and being basically evil with no checks. This episode is an "off the rails" discussion on a not-so-clearly Cyber Security topic, with us diving deep and getting a little angry. Thanks to Kevin Thompson for joining us and sharing his qualified opinion as a dad and experienced Scout Master. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/RXzAVG98T6s Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
January 13 · 43 min
DtSR Episode 688 - Looking for Meaning in the Signal
TL;DR: Grab your favorite note-taking thing, this week's pod features Julian Brownlow Davies of BugCrowd and it's chock full of things you'll want to look up. We tackle how red teaming and external 3rd party testing fits into a current security strategy, and how finding signal in the noise is just the beginning. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/aNz-qPmWf7g1 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
January 6 · 1 hr 2 min
DtSR Episode 687 - Dan Geers Wisdom from 2014
TL;DR: This week's episode is a special one. I (Rafal) revisit episode 100 with the one and only Dan Geer. Some shows are "in the moment", some are timeless. This show is timeless. Dan's wisdom and insights are as applicable today as they were 12 years ago. Crazy, right? Fun story - I ran into Dan at Black Hat conference a few years ago and asked him what he would say is 'different' since we recorded that episode... his response? "My beard is longer". Solid GOLD. Listen in. Take notes. Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Dec 30, 2025 · 49 min
DtSR Episode 686 - An Unexpected Windows XP Conversation
TL;DR: On today's pod, Rob Allen of ThreatLocker makes his triumphant return to derail us straight into a conversation about legacy systems and why he's still supporting WindowsXP. Right, you read that right. A great conversation ensued, and I'm glad we were able to record this one. Enjoy. From us to you, thank you for following along this year, and we wish you a happy new year, and all the best in 2026! YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/dFO1NTo1MGc Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Dec 23, 2025 · 37 min
DtSR Episode 685 - Weaponized AI is Real Now What Pt 1
TL;DR: In part 1 of 2, Gadi Evron joins the show and chats with Jim and Rafal on the topic of the "AI Cataclysm". What does that even mean? Listen in - but it's part to do with how AI is changing the attacker model (level of effort, expertise required, timeline) and what defenders should start to think about. Part 2 is coming soon, standby. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/izX0jOUpKJM Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Dec 16, 2025 · 50 min
DtSR Episode 684 - AI Agents Gone Rogue
TL;DR: This week's show features Aaron Costello, and is all about an analog from real-world attacks on humans, applied to AI "agents". I know what you're thinking - computers are supposed to be more difficult to trick, right? Right... no. Attacks such as this where computers try to be "helpful" (just like humans) are probably more common than we'd like to think. Give this a listen, it's a hoot. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/fM88jSkamDQ Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Dec 9, 2025 · 37 min
DtSR Episode 683 - Sometimes You Have to Step Away
TL;DR: On this episode, it's just Jim and Rafal talking about how sometimes you just need to take a big step back from your day job and touch some grass. Our chosen profession is, demanding, to say the least. So let's take a minute to acknowledge what we're really thinking. Unfiltered, raw, and straight from our heads to your ears, enjoy. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/ULTq1pzckFg Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Dec 2, 2025 · 48 min
DtSR Episode 682 - A Third Opinion on Vulnerability Ranking
TL;DR: This week's pod features a conversation with the Jay Jacobs, whom had previously been on the show talking about this very topic (vulnerability ranking/scoring) many, many years ago. If you missed Episode 297 check it out, it's crazy how far (or not) we've come since that conversation. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/cpL9ZYbwkes Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Nov 25, 2025 · 49 min
DtSR Episode 681 - AppSec Whack-a-Mole
TL;DR: John Rafal & Jim as we welcome Dustin Lehr to talk about the state of AppSec and how we got here. We discuss vulnerabilities, accountability, culture, and a host of other things. It's a caffein-fueled episode, so buckle in! Youtube video: https://youtube.com/live/yoBIQ_sIawI Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Nov 18, 2025 · 55 min
DtSR Episode 680 - Debating Patching and Vulnerability Scoring
TL;DR: We heard RSnake's take on CVSS and CVEs and such, now let's hear Brian "Jericho" Martin's take. The gloves are off, and the opinions go native when we take this episode live. Brian doesn't pull any punches, and apparently I'm the only one without a pocket full of $2 bills? Sorry for the explicit rating, that's Brian's fault. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/2-3Jzks5myc?feature=share Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Nov 11, 2025 · 55 min
DtSR Episode 679 - Wasting Time Patching
TL;DR: Patching. Your least favorite thing. Well, it turns out that most of the work we have been doing in the last 20+ years has been for nothing. Robert "RSnake" Hansen's theory, backed by a lot of data, seems to point to a much bigger problem in cyber, and it's time we talk about it. Rob's Closing Keynote that started this conversation: https://youtu.be/80ZtAsuC4v4?si=-liUcLX4adz092yP YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/k4kvKWZVh78 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Nov 4, 2025 · 44 min
DtSR Episode 678 - CyberSecurity Has Lost the Plot
TL;DR: This week's pod features your favorite hosts reflecting on how security has lost its way. When everything is a catastrophe, nothing is. When every breach is world-ending, none of them matter. Have we completely lost the plot? Prepare to have a good think. YouTube Video: <coming soon> Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
Oct 28, 2025 · 48 min
DtSR Episode 677 - Is Cyber Insurance the Answer or A Question
TL;DR: On this week's pod - Sean Scranton and Shawn Tuma make a return appearance to talk about Cyber (Security) Insurance. Some see it as the answer to cyber's problems, while others see it as just another question. Which is it? Is it just a matter of perspective? Listen in and find out! YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/GiuheFiFO78 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast