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Country Music Dads

The parenting podcast with a twang. We’re driving a highly subjective, comically contrarian, often irreverent conversation about fatherhood and country music for people who have a passion for both. Join us for interviews, analysis, hot takes, and unhinged rants on the most pressing issues in the world of parenting and country music.

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  • S3 · E5
    August 7 · 30 min

    Thomas Csorba: The Country Album Made for Dads Like Us

    This week we interview Thomas Csorba, a Texas singer/songwriter whose latest album, Tender Country, seems like it was made specifically for Country Music Dads just like us. Tender Country paints a vivid, beautiful and highly accurate picture of life in the early years of parenting. The Dads had never heard anything like this -- an “authentic” view of early parenthood-- so we had to talk to him. SHOW NOTES: 00:50: A bit of an intro and a spelling lesson, as we welcome Thomas into the show. 2:58: A dive into the album, Tender Country and how this album hits much deeper into the Dad Life. Csorba explains that his approach toward songwriting had to be part of his lived experience. And not trying to be cool, which is pretty cool. 6:05: The Productivity of Naptime -- Thomas outlines how fatherhood changed his approach to art and productivity. Kids’ proximity to the ground enables them to change our perception, said Thomas and that this process of being a dad has shifted his understanding of being a creative. 11:08: What is the real cost of making it? The Dads and Thomas talk about his opening track “Big Time” and what success really looks like for parents. For Thomas and his four year-old, it’s high, low, buffalo and getting a handwritten sticky note on a cut out of his profile in the Houston Chronicle. 16:35: Inspiration in the mundane and the ego killer of a four year-old demanding a sandwich. 19:35: A discussion “He Would’ve Love This” and how generational family life matters so much more once you’re a parent. 21:30: Asking the songwriter his go to lullaby. A mixture of old gospel music and Willie Nelson tunes -- very Texas. 24:05: The Dad Life Sound Check Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in this episode: The War of Art- Steven Pressfield Houston Chronicle profile. Wind Chimes album - Thomas Csorba How to Write One Song - Jeff Tweedy References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” - Moodmode Homemade Margaritas - Thomas Csorba Big Time - Thomas Csorba I Love - Tom T. Hall He Would've Loved This - Thomas Csorba Precious Lord, Take My Hand (with Marion Williams) - Thomas A. Dorsey, Marion Williams Bigger Wheels - Thomas Csorba Bigger Than Your Hat - Thomas Csorba Rake And Ramblin' Man - Don Williams Can't Into Could - American Aquarium Feelin' Good Again - Turnpike Troubadours, Sierra Hull

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  • S3 · E4
    July 20 · 54 min

    Brian Whelan: Zen and the Art of Session Musicians

    Brian Whelan is a professional musician with a range of impressive credits to his name. He’s supported Post Malone’s early forays into country music, was a mainstay in Dwight Yoakam’s studio band and supported one of last year's best albums, Jake Owen’s Dreams to Dream. In addition to his studio work, Whelan is a regular on stages across Southern California and beyond. Like so many musicians based in Los Angeles, he called Altadena home. The proximity to recording studios, affordable and interesting housing and a slower pace of life were appealing. Along with his wife, they welcomed their twins home to the city, and not long after that, their lives changed, along with so many others, on a windy night in January. More than 9,400 structures burned down in that fire that raged through the hills and neighborhood east of Los Angeles. The Dads speak with Whelan about music, the impact of the Eaton fire on the music scene in LA, especially the roots, Americana and country scenes, and how being a dad, growing up and getting "Pro Vibed" have provided balance in his life and approach. Show Notes: 2:20 - Brian claims he knew he’d be a performer at 6 years old—and never looked back. As he got older, he became a “liner note junky” and knew he wanted to be one of those guys. 4:22 - Becoming a father drastically shifted his priorities and changed his idea of time. Brian flipped the script on Dave and Donnie and put the question on them -- always a good guest power mover. 7:50 - The Kid Happy Hour: Putting on the greats, right after kid dinner and before bath and bed, the family gets some music, the parents get some drinks, and everyone dances. 9:59 - Brian has mixed feelings about having his kids go into the arts, but he will support them no matter what. But that is sometimes a bit harder said than done, and the guys explore that kind of support. 15:35 - Exploring how a session player helps develop and advance the sound of an artist's album, Brian explains that he sees himself as a connector and supporter of music. Almost as important is how he’s matured as a person, and how his fatherhood and getting “Pro Vibed” have played into that process. 20:05 - We talk about Dwight Yoakam and how much Brian learned and grew when working in his band. 24:00 - Discussing Jake Owen’s most recent album and his role in “the five-piece band in the middle of Hollyweird.” 31:50 - The impact of a local haunt on the trajectory of Brian’s career -- a personal history of the Cinema Bar in Culver City. 37:05 - Eaton Fire and the long-term impact. Brian lost his first home, most of his guitars and most of the family photos. But his kids gave him and his wife purpose. He had a place to put his energy -- and his kids gave him an incredible gift. 45: 18 - The Dad Life Sound Check! Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in this Episode: Marissa R. Moss on Jake Owen in the Don’t Rock the Inbox newsletter Brian Whelan's website Cinema Bar MusiCares Tom T. Hall's children's record Country Songs for Children Vincent Neil Emerson's health issue post Tender Country - Thomas Csorba Review of Tender Country Country Cutler newsletter for new music discovery Nathan Evans Fox interview Children's books episode References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode Second Hand Heart - Dwight Yoakam I'll Pay the Price - Dwight Yoakam Dreams to Dream - Jake Owen Barefoot Blue Jean Night - Jake Owen Wouldn't Be Gone - Jake Owen Can't Let Go - Lucinda Williams I Love - Tom T. Hall Fox on the Run - Tom T. Hall The Great Highway - Vincent Neil Emerson He Would've Loved This - Thomas Csorba Little Green Apples - Thomas Csorba

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  • S3 · E3
    July 1 · 56 min

    The Fourth of July Soundtrack: Why Country Music Sounds Like America

    This week, the Country Music Dads celebrate America 250, country music’s role in this -- and other -- uniquely American celebrations, and how to honor our history, the details of our past, and advance the American experiment. Happy Birthday America! Show Notes: 00:05 - Dave and Donnie talk about their memories of the Fourth, how they are getting ready for America 250 and so much more. From childhood memories to debauchery of young adulthood, the guys go over what makes the Fourth of July awesome. 4:46: What makes a great Fourth of July playlist song? And Dave asks if non-country fans use this holiday as an excuse to enjoy something they feel like they can’t otherwise. 6:35: The history of country music and patriotism. The discussion turns serious as the dads address Joseph Thompson’s Time magazine article that explores how the country music industry, titans of industry and the Department of Defense teamed up to feed the concept that country music is the music of America. 12:50: “God Bless the US” has been stuck in Dave’s head since the second grade due to grammatical corrections his school made to the song. 14:05: Fourth of July family traditions growing up and sharing with your kids. Both of us want to raise proud Americans who can still love America while understanding the more complicated aspects of our history. 22:49: The playlist debate. The dads start with “Clear Patriotic Anthems/ Celebrations of American Life.” 36:45: The next section is about “Blind Patriotism” songs, and yes, they talk a bit about post-9/11 reactionary country music. 43:30: And now, for a few Protest Songs because there is nothing more American than speaking truth to power. Just ask our kids. 49:57: Songs that People Mistake for Patriotic Anthems but are Really About Something Else 52:15: The Dad Life Sound Check - American Edition Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned In This Episode: Joseph Thompson's book: Cold War Country: How Nashville's Music Row and the Pentagon Joseph Thompson's Time magazine article Country Music Association Whiskey Riff article about the Hermosa Beach Ironman No-No Boy Ted Russell Kamp episode Shooter Jennings episode 60 Songs That Explain the 90's: The 2000s on Toby Keith America-themed parties around the world Country Country podcast Dead Man’s Town: Born in the USA Revisited Nathan Evans Fox episode References/Songs: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode Stars and Stripes Forever - John Philip Sousa God Bless the USA - Lee Greenwood The Best God Damn Band in Wyoming - No-No Boy This Land is Your Land - Woody Guthrie Ragged Old Flag- Johnny Cash America - Waylon Jennings Born Country - Alabama 4th of July/He Stopped Loving Her Today - Medley - Shooter Jennings, George Jones Americana - Ryan Bingham American Saturday Night - Brad Paisley Middle of America - Haily Whitters feat. American Aquarium God's Country - Blake Shelton God's Country (Live from Red Rocks) - HARDY God Bless America Again - Loretta Lynn, Conway Twitty Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue (The Angry American) - Toby Keith Where Were You When the World Stopped Turning - Alan Jackson Your Flag Decal Won't Get You into Heaven Anymore - John Prine Dress Blues - Jason Isbell All American Made - Margo Price History Repeats Itself - American Aquarium Try That in a Small Town - Jason Aldean Independence Day - Martina McBride Born in the USA - Bruce Springsteen Born in the U.S.A. - Jason Isbell & Amanda Shires Call to Arms - Sturgill Simpson I Love My Country - Florida Georgia Line

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  • S3 · E2
    May 28 · 40 min

    Nathan Evans Fox: Lots of Beginnings and Other Hard Truths

    This week, the Country Music Dads welcome Nathan Evans Fox to the podcast. He is a Nashville-based country music artist and dad with a fascinating new album on the way. He explores his own country upbringing. Using traditional themes of land, hard work and faith, he approaches his music and life from the political left, in a space considered very conservative. Fox’s album Heirloom is out May 29 on Free Dirt Records. Show Notes: 3:12 - A discussion of “Lots of Beginnings” brings the conversation to the very end of the album, as Nathan explains the process of losing his dad and becoming one in the same year -- and how he landed on the title of the Heirloom album. And we dive deep into family right away. 6:00 - Nathan’s connection to family, family land and the family system, is deeply connected to his political understanding. His understanding is wildly personal, tactile and real. The family land allowed him to know his extended family through his universe of ghosts -- and it still looms large in his experience even after the family sold it. 9:50 - Growing up very weird and country go hand in hand with Nathan’s experience. 10:50 - A feeling of home vs enjoying where you live. Nathan and the dads talk about how to create a home. Grief, economics and complications. 12:10 - His time as a hospital chaplain exposed Nathan to the full range of emotions of those at the hardest points in their lives, forcing him to radically listen. These experiences drove him to be more explicit about the need for his music to become more message-driven. It also put his life as an artist in perspective. 15:50 - Going viral with “Hillby Hymn” and bringing liberation theology to country music fans, and how Nathan became many folks' favorite worship leader. 18:51 - Understanding how to square yourself to the cultural dominance of Christianity in the bible belt, and how this language can be used as a vernacular poetic experience, one that helps folks accept something they don’t expect. 25:48 - “We belong and we feel, well before we think or form ideologies,” Nathan said. And we should likely get back to knowing our neighbors and caring. 26:35 - A discussion of Nathan’s music feels a bit like contemporary Christian music, suggested Dave. And Nathan felt called out. 28:45 - Talking about “Racecar” and its place within contemporary country music, or as Nathan calls it, “Butthole Country Music.” Dave and Nathan geek out about Bro Country and how “Racecar” references “Dirt Road Anthem” for tone. Yet the topic of this song is anything but traditional -- in fact, it’s pretty divisive. The guys jump into the question of politics of it all. 34:24 - The Dad Life Sound Check featuring songs from Roger Miller, Ryan Bingham and Corb Lund & Hayes Carll. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned In This Episode: Liberation Theology The book about how country music was created to divide people is Creating Country Music: Fabricating Country Music Nathan Evans Fox's substack References/Songs: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode Lots of Beginnings by Nathan Evans Fox I Know the End by Nathan Evans Fox (out May 29) Hillbilly Hymn (Okra & Cigarettes) by Nathan Evans Fox Racecar by Nathan Evans Fox (out May 29) Dirt Road Anthem by Jason Aldean Do-Wacka-Do by Roger Miller Americana by Ryan Bingham and The Texas Gentlemen Much Too Young (To Feel This Damn Old) by Corb Lund & Hayes Carll

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  • S3 · E1
    May 14 · 32 min

    Don't Call It a Comeback: Country Music Dads Returns!

    The Dads are so back! After an extended season break -- due to some expansions in the family size -- the guys are back at it, planning out a new season of great guests, interesting topics and general silliness. We hope you are ready for Season Three of the Country Music Dads podcast. Show Notes: 00:47 - Highlights of Season Two. Dave and Donnie discuss three things: our best episode, favorite interview and the most memorable moment. From Mustaches to Beefing Bros, with great guests and social media shares, the guys get to do what all podcasters love: talk about themselves. 16:29 - Looking forward, the Dads talk about their delay into season three, prioritizing time and the changes outside the pod that drove some of these issues. (Hint: Dave is the father of FOUR kids under the age of 10). 21:30 - The Dads discuss our listener feedback and how we will incorporate that into the podcast moving forward. Buckle in -- you’re gonna get more dad stuff and more country stuff, which is shocking. 24:44 - The Dad Life Sound Check Mentioned in this Episode: The Mustache Rides Again episode Beefing Bros Episode Country Never Dies Album Review Gavin Adcock comments on Country Cutler's Instagram post. Songbird album Shooter Jennings episode James Sullivan, author of Jeans: A Cultural History of an American Icon Blue Jeans episode The Doohickeys episode Jeremy Pinnell Interview Ted Russell Kamp interview Children's books episode Lukas Nelson article on the Substack Luke Combs Fathers and Sons episode GQ interview with Luke Combs Grey DeLisle's album of Cindy Walker songs References/Songs: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode "Run Your Mouth" by Gavin Adcock "Night Time Eagle" by Jeremy Pinnell "Redneck Yacht Club" "The Lie" by Lukas Nelson "Beer Never Broke My Heart" by Luke Combs "Alcohol of Fame" by Luke Combs "The Pieces" by Grey DeLisle

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  • S2 · E19
    March 18 · 36 min

    Jeremy Ivey’s Shape Reveals Itself

    Recently, the dads sat down with Grammy-nominated songwriter, alt-country artist and father, Jeremy Ivey. But you may know him better as Margo Price’s husband. Ivey has a new album, It’s Shape Will Reveal Itself, out now on Soggy Anvil Records, and it’s a heavy look at the world around us. We will talk about his role as Price’s husband, their partnership in raising their children and songwriting, and how their lives together (and apart) have influenced his art. Show Notes 1:10: Donnie admits to being a fan boy and interrupting Jeremy’s dinner before a show in Charlotte, NC, several years ago. What he wanted to ask then, and could ask now, was how Jeremy got into songwriting, and it all started with reading great poetry. 3:12: Jeremy explains how It’s Shape Will Reveal Itself came together, and the story of “Little Bird” and his daughter’s role on the track. 5:15: A discussion of how the track order, the playing and technical recording impacts the album's feel, through a patchwork of old and new songs. Also, a CRAZY story about Joan Baez. 10:35: Jeremy’s approach and process, supporting Margo Price and his personal career, and the impact of fatherhood. And a cautionary tale about selling your car with a young child to make an album -- this one worked out, but don’t do it, says Jeremy. 14:10: Balancing home and touring. How Margo and Jeremy find the balance for their music and family, and the hardest part of staying off the road is the FOMO. 16:20: Balancing the creative, romantic and parenting partnerships, and the annual cycle of creativity and support. 19:30: What does a normal day look like for the Ivey/Price household? Pretty normal, explains Jeremy. It’s complete chaos, with a bunch of toys on the floor. 21:40: Jeremy explains his writing process and how the chaos around him influences it. And the honest balance between self-indulgence and giving in to the process of songwriting. 22:57: The difference between songs created for Margo Price’s albums and Jeremy Ivey’s albums. 26:40: The American experience provides an incredible context for creating meaningful and interesting art. 27:20: The Dad Life Sound Check. Mentioned in the Episode Emily Dickinson The Beat Poets PAIN: The Board Game by Sampson Starkweather Drew Carroll The Bomb Shelter Joan Baez Bonnie Raitt Emmylou Harris Dulcimer Thin Lizzy The Dubliners Buffalo Clover Brittany Howard and Alabama Shakes Darrin Bradbury Anti Records Farm Aid Anthony Bourdain Khalil Gibran References/Songs: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode Little Bird - Jeremy Ivey Edge of Darkness - Jeremy Ivey Don’t Sleep on Your Dreams - Jeremy Ivey Whiskey In A Jar - The Dubliners Close to You - Margo Price Tennessee Song - Margo Price A Long Way From Home - The Kinks Gone to Stay - Margo Price He Stopped Loving Her Today - George Jones Lots of Beginnings - Nathan Evans Fox

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  • S2 · E18
    January 30 · 55 min

    2026 Grammy Awards Preview: Country Music Dads' Picks, Snubs, & Surprises

    Awards Season is here, so the Country Music Dads must weigh in on what is most deserving, who was snubbed and how the Grammys may be the ultimate dad award show. It’s the 2026 Grammy Awards preview edition of Country Music Dads! While you're listening, please take two minutes to fill out our listener survey! What do YOU want to hear about country music and modern fatherhood in Season 3? Survey will be live until February 28th, 2026. https://countrymusicdads.com/feedback/ Mentioned in This Episode: The Price of Admission by Turnpike Troubadours Country Cutler's 2025 Year-End Review The Grammys Process And the Categories are... [14:04] Best Country Song Bitin’ List- Tyler Childers Good News- Shaboozey I Never Lie- Zach Top Somewhere Over Laredo- Lainey Wilson A Song to Sing- Miranda Lambert and Chris Stapleton [20:58] Best Country Solo Performance Nose on the Grindstone- Tyler Childers Good News- Shaboozey Bad As I Used to Be- Chris Stapleton I Never Lie- Zach Top Somewhere Over Lareo- Lainey Wilson [27:38] Best Country Duo/Group Performance A Song to Sing- Miranda Lambert and Chris Stapleton Trailblazer- Reba McEntire, Miranda Lambert, Lainey Wilson Love Me Like You Used to Do- Margo Price and Tyler Childers Amen- Shaboozey and Jelly Roll Honky Tonk Hall of Fame- George Strait and Chris Stapleton [33:49] Best Traditional Country Album Dollar a Day- Charley Crockett American Romance- Lukas Nelson Oh What a Beautiful World- Willie Nelson Hard Headed Woman- Margo Price Ain’t In It For My Health- Zach Top [42:51] Best Contemporary Country Album Patterns- Kelsea Ballerini Snipe Hunter- Tyler Childers Evangeline Vs. The Machine- Eric Church Beautifully Broken- Jelly Roll Postcards From Texas- Miranda Lambert References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode II Most Wanted by Beyonce and Miley Cyrus I Had Some Help by Post Malone feat. Morgan Wallen On the Red River by Turnpike Troubadours Bitin' List by Tyler Childers Good News by Shaboozey Somewhere Over Laredo by Lainey Wilson Over the Rainbow by Israel Kamakawiwo'ole (Iz) I Never Lie by Zach Top She Thinks I Still Care by George Jones She'll Come Back to Me by Hayes Carll Nose to the Grindstone by Tyler Childers Hurt by Johnny Cash from American Recordings Bad As I Used to Be by Chris Stapleton Getting to the Bottom by Tyler Childers Honky Tonk Hall of Fame by George Strait feat. Chris Stapleton Trailblazer by Reba McEntire, Miranda Lambert, and Lainey Wilson Love Me Like You Used to Do by Margo Price feat. Tyler Childers Amen by Shaboozey feat. Jelly Roll Dollar a Day by Charley Crockett Ain't Done by Lukas Nelson Oh What a Beautiful World by Willie Nelson feat. Rodney Crowell Don't Let the Bastards Get You Down by Margo Price Between the Ditches by Zach Top Armadillo by Miranda Lambert I Am Not Okay by Jelly Roll Johnny by Eric Church Patterns by Kelsea Ballerini Watch Out by Tyler Childers

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  • S2 · E17
    Dec 18, 2025 · 59 min

    Beefing Bros: Making Sense of Gavin Adcock and the Fightin' Side of Country Music

    What’re you looking at, son? You wanna go? Well, it seems like Gavin Adcock can’t get enough of the fightin’ side of country music, and the media (The Dads included) can’t get enough of his bologna. This week, we dive into the beefs, why country music seems to foster this kind of violent rhetoric, what dads should do about it and how the media landscape makes it all worse. While you're listening, please take two minutes to fill out our listener survey! What do YOU want to hear about country music and modern fatherhood in Season 3? Survey will be live until February 28th, 2026. https://countrymusicdads.com/feedback/ Show Notes: 00:58 - Who is Gavin Adcock and why is country music (and its tabloids) so obsessed with him? The Dads get into his origin story, his approach and why he’s the perfect foil. He’s either a marketing genius or an idiot savant. 6:21 - Donnie outlines why he doesn’t like him, but Dave jumps in to say he totally gets his appeal, that vibe and that stupidity. There is something to be said about acting a fool. But it needs to be safe for everyone involved. 10:31 - Beefs, it’s what’s for dinner. The Dads outline the wild number of beefs that Adcock either instigated or accelerated. Up first, we talk about Braxton Keith and Adcock. 13:28 - Next, we cover the swing Adcock took at Beyoncé. His take was loaded and unneeded. 16:53 - Now we get to the good stuff: Zach Bryan vs Adcock. They came into it with the same energy, and this one is wonderfully messy. They both looked like fools because neither chose to de-escalate. 21:10 - On to Charley Crockett and his master class in narrative control. Adcock put himself back into the conversation, ego and all. And boy did he miss. The allegations of “Cosplay Cowboy” against Crockett fall so flat. All stage performers put on an act -- including Adcock. 27:46 - The fight and beef drives streaming revenues, but it’s not going to establish Adcock for the long term. 29:16 - Benjamin Tod, the $75 a night beef and the outlaw version of puka shells. 34:14 - How do these beefs stand up to the history of country music beefs? They are similar, but the social media system exacerbates the situation. 36:10 - What role do violence and male bravado play in country music -- it’s all about the storytelling. From Johnny Cash to Jason Aldean, country uses violence to tell a story and foster the image of power and control. And this music provides an escape. Understanding the line between violence as an escape vs a solution is critical. 45:19 - How do dads help their kids deal with this kind of trash talk or bullying? Be a better person: don’t let yourself be hurt, and find a better way to fix the problems that will always arise. And this isn’t just about dumb beefs or little kids. This is about how society solves its problems. 54:29 - Dad Life Sound Check for meeting the bully in the parking lot. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in this Episode: Gavin Adcock bus surfing and shotgunning a beer (Source: Adcock’s social channels) Rolling Stone’s Nashville Now podcast with Gavin Adcock Braxton Keith calling out Adcock Adcock comments on Beyoncé Zach Bryan's reaction to young fan Adcock reaction to Zach Bryan's young fan interaction Charley Crockett video on the subway Crockett on the Nashville Now podcast with Rolling Stone Country Cutler article on crafting personas in country music Kat Hasty tweet about Morgan Wallen's authenticity Clip from Benjamin Tod's socials screaming at people about Nashville Interview with Benjamin Tod for Saddle Mountain Post Interview with Benjamin Tod about making $75/night References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode Run Your Mouth - Gavin Adcock Need To - Gavin Adcock SOLD OUT - HARDY February 28, 2016 - Koe Wetzel Settle for a Beer - Braxton Keith 16 Carriages - Beyonce Nine Ball - Zach Bryan Crucified Son - Charley Crockett War Inside of Me - Lost Dog Street Band Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash Try That in a Small Town - Jason Aldean Don't Take Your Guns to Town - Johnny Cash I Could Kick Your Ass - Justin Moore Beer for My Horses - by Toby Keith feat. Willie Nelson Fightin' Side of Me - Merle Haggard Decoration Day - Drive By Truckers Fuss & Fight - Koe Wetzel

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  • S2 · E16
    Nov 21, 2025 · 50 min

    Why Thanksgiving is the Ultimate Country Music Dad Holiday– and Why It Gets No Respect

    Thanksgiving doesn't get any respect, but we're looking to change that. The beleaguered middle child of the holiday season, Thanksgiving is often overlooked. Yet so many elements of Thanksgiving (gathering with family, romanticizing our past traditions, and reckless binge-eating, among others) seem to make it the perfect holiday for a dad and for country music. We explore why Thanksgiving doesn't get its due and we take our best shot at creating a Country Music Thanksgiving Playlist. 0:01 - The introduction: Why do we, in the country music and dad community, not elevate Thanksgiving to its rightful place as the American Holiday? 2:33 - A Bit of History about Thanksgiving and how it became today’s National Holiday. Please note that Donnie had a lot of trouble with the word “popularization.” 5:30 - What does Thanksgiving mean to the Dads? What must you have to eat in order for it to be “right?” And how does being an adult make a difference? Donnie also talks about when he was in shape and ran really fast during a Turkey Trot (Much like the misremembered history of the holiday, Donnie made up a bit of the story, but he did come in first place in the Clydesdale division one year). 13:16 - Deep-fried turkeys, roasting turkey and handling the bird like a chunky nine-month-old. Also, how do you pronounce “giblets?” 16:30 - How do kids change your traditions? Establishing these rituals is very important, and with a bit of planning, you can do great things. But there is more that gets done, and less pure enjoyment and celebration. 19:08 - The great joy of being a parent comes from hard work, and what Donnie says to people who are considering having kids. 21:21 - A Call to Dad Action: We should take Thanksgiving and make it THE American Dad Holiday. 22:30 - What must be on your Thanksgiving table? 26:20 - Donnie and Dave discuss why we think Thanksgiving doesn’t get the respect it deserves. And like the Father of our Nation, George Washington, the Country Music Dads make a proclamation naming Thanksgiving the Dads’ Holiday. 29:48 - Why are there no country music Thanksgiving songs? There are a few songs that work, and the Dads try to jam a square peg into a round hole. 40:51 - Green Bean Casserole is easy: Dads, you can up your game! Donnie outlines the entire process of making it—and it’s super easy. 42:31 - Alice’s Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie is a bonkers banana pants song, but it’s a song about Thanksgiving. Sorta… 44:00 Change My Mind: Donnie pretends to believe that turkey is overrated. And Dave changed my mind -- in the name of tradition. But everyone can agree that the next day sandwich is what Thanksgiving is really all about. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in the Episode Butterball Togetherness Report Cooking with Country Cutler and Donnie’s fascination with Jello molds Family leave episode Christmas Music episode Holler's list of Thanksgiving songs Brent Cobb Alice's Restaurant Massacree by Arlo Guthrie The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot Mustache episode References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode Children's Folksong- Yankee Doodle by Nesrality on Pixabay. All I Want for Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey The Thanksgiving Song by Adam Sandler Thanksgiving Song by Mary Chapin Carpenter It's a Great Day to Be Alive by Travis Tritt Glad to Be Here by Hailey Whitters (feat Brent Cobb) Turkey in the Straw by Burl Ives Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer by Burl Ives Family Table by Zac Brown Band Crowded Table by The Highwomen Family Tradition by Hank Williams Jr. Buck on the Wall by HARDY Chicken Fried by Zac Brown Band Biscuits by Kacey Musgraves Cornbread and Butter Beans by Carolina Chocolate Drops Gravy by Tim McGraw Polk Salad Annie by Tony Joe White Berry Pie by Dolly Parton

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  • S2 · E15
    Nov 5, 2025 · 38 min

    Songbirds' Son: Shooter Jennings on Waylon The Artist, Waylon The Dad and The Legacy of Both

    This episode needs no introduction: Shooter Jennings joins Donnie and Dave to discuss his dad’s cache of recordings, the process of bringing together three albums' worth of new Waylon Jennings music, and his feelings about the first installment, Songbird. Shooter talks at length about the discovery of Waylon’s previously unreleased music, his relationship with his legendary dad and his own role as a father of two. This one was big for the Country Music Dads, as there couldn’t be a more perfect topic for this podcast. Show Notes 1:24 -- Shooter tells us about the discovery of these songs and how the Songbird project came together. 6:12 -- Dave says it was surreal to hear these songs in 2025. Shooter felt the same way. And then he knew he had to share this with others so they could have the same experience. 8:26 -- The Myth vs. The Man: Shooter explores what fans might be able to take from these projects. 10:42 -- Shooter’s childhood on the road and why he’s tired at shows regardless of how much sleep he gets. 12:20 -- Waylon the Artist vs. Waylon the Dad. Shooter kept true to the art but modernized it a bit — “letting the music on the tape talk.” That said, the experience of going through this chapter of his dad’s life was very special to Shooter. 20:07 -- As a producer, the process of this project was a bit different for Shooter because Waylon is no longer with us; he is his father, and there was so much more material than usual. So he wanted to make it last to “make it like Waylon is here for a minute.” 23:00 -- Donnie asked about how relationships impact Shooter’s production style. He specifically pointed to Turnpike Troubadour’s last two albums and the fan backlash after Cat in the Rain. Shooter’s direct and honest answer provides an interesting view into his producing style. 28:58 -- The Dads ask Shooter how the production on the next albums fit together and how they tell a story. We also learn that there are several other projects to come from this collection of recordings, including songs by his mother, Jessi Colter. It’s like a little Marvel Universe of Waylon Jennings, they joke. But wouldn’t that be cool? 30:40 -- How this project impacts Shooter’s legacy and his kids’ vision of him. 36:30 -- What’s next for Shooter? He’s working with Charley Crockett and BJ Barham of American Aquarium again. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in the Episode Songbird album by Waylon Jennings Countach (for Giorgio) album by Shooter Jennings Tony Joe White Sometimes Y album by Yelawolf Sunset Sound Rumours album by Fleetwood Mac Rolling Stone Nashville Now podcast with Shooter Jennings WSM Billy Bob’s Texas’ mural of Waylon is still the King Shooter’s Father's Day post about the music References Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode "Loading" by Shooter Jennings "I'd Like to Love You Baby" by Waylon Jennings "Songbird" by Waylon Jennings "Songbird" by Fleetwood Mac "After The Ball" by Waylon Jennings "I Hate to Go Searchin' Them Bars Again" by Waylon Jennings "The Cowboy (Small Texas Town)" by Waylon Jennings "The Eagle" by Waylon Jennings "Dollar a Day" by Charley Crockett "Cat in the Rain" by Turnpike Troubadours "Mean Old Sun" by Turnpike Troubadours

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  • S2 · E14
    Oct 15, 2025 · 46 min

    Ryan Posner: The Dad Behind Y'all Star Revue on Country Music's Evolution

    This week, Donnie speaks with Ryan Posner, a Los Angeles-based bass player, side man and musical director, about balancing his home and professional life, how to define country music, why it is important to push art forward and how bass players make great dads. They dive deep into the value of his current project, the nearly weekly Y’all Star Revue, a showcase at the original Desert 5 Spot in Hollywood. This event highlights the best local and touring country music talent who are on the verge of breaking out. Show Notes 1:50 -- Ryan’s origin story: From a 16-year-old rocker to figuring out playing country music right before the pandemic. He tells Donnie that his first concert was Willie Nelson at age five and his second concert was Weird Al opening for the Monkees in the early 1980s -- which really summarized his musical existence. Until he watched Ken Burns’ Country Music documentary. 6:38 -- Bass players make great dads: Ryan has always been attracted, and it seems that the Country Music Dads are attracted to bass players. Perhaps the kind of person who likes to play bass is also the kind of person who wants to be a dad. 8:58 -- How do you truly balance the parenting? Being honest is a good start. 10:40 -- What is The Y’all Star Revue, and what is the impact of this program on country music? 17:25 -- What is real country music? Ryan ends the debate of what country music is and what it is not. His platform is to share new music with new audiences. 20:19 -- Freedom from Choice: Ryan hopes that his new curated platform can help bring so many different kinds of music together to help develop a new experience outside of the over-saturation of the Los Angeles music scene. He prefers “freedom from choice” rather than “freedom of choice.” 22:19 -- More Debate on What Makes Real Country Music: But does this kind of platform push country music too far? Ryan says no. There is no line too far. Country music evolves just like every other kind of music, and the only person who can define “real” country music for that person is that person. 30:55 -- The Dad Life Sound Check: Ryan brings “Funny How Time Slips Away” by Willie Nelson, and Donnie talked about Waylon’s “Songbird.” 38:15 -- THE LIGHTNING ROUND, which gets completely derailed by the last question about the one concert you could attend at any time. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in this Episode: Few Miles South Slick City Pickers Jerry Zinn, West of Texas Ken Burns Country Music documentary Ted Russell Kamp episode Sean Burns episode The Y'all Star Revue Kimmi Bitter Allie and AJ Show Bud Pedal Steel West Coast Re-launch Desert Five Spot Beard Bates Brett Tomberlin Casual Drifter Ajii Cocaine and Rhinestones Creating Country Music: Manufacturing Authenticity Energy Follows Thought: The Stories Behind My Songs "Songbird" album by Waylon Jennings Shooter Jennings Alicia Blue References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode "I Can Almost Taste the Whiskey" by West of Texas "My Grass is Blue" by Kimmi Bitter "Good News" by Shaboozey "Austin (Boots Stop Workin')" by Dasha "Just Got Paid" by Brett Tomberlin "The Car Hank Died In" by Casual Drifter "Cherry" by Ajii "He Stopped Loving Her Today" by George Jones "Funny How Time Slips Away" by Willie Nelson "Songbird" by Waylon Jennings Live from Billy Bob's by Pat Green

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  • S2 · E13
    Sep 10, 2025 · 40 min

    The Mustache Rides Again: Greatest 'Staches in Country Music (and Beyond)

    This week, the Dads talk about a growing trend in country music and on the faces of men everywhere: the mustache. While facial hair is divisive, this episode takes a light-hearted view of the ‘stache, the correlation between masculinity in society and the prevalence of mustachioed individuals and much more. This is just one long “Change My Mind” segment, and you won’t be disappointed. Show Notes: 1:45 - The History of the mustache, pogonotrophy and some notable ‘staches from history. There are several horrible dad jokes about facial hair throughout this section. 6:30 - The place of the mustache in pop culture from the Fu Manchu to the handlebar to Tom Selleck, everyone’s favorite short-short-wearing Private Eye. 11:52 - The mustache is a symbol of Dad Life. Dave comes from a long line of mustachioed dads. 13:33 - A mustache is an intentional act of manliness and all that is baked into that statement. In the end, men grow mustaches for their fellow men. 16:11 - The evolution of the mustache in modern society, the impact of Movember and shifts in culture. 17:50 - The great (and not so great) mustaches of country music. And for some reason, Dave brought up Chris Gaines in relation to Garth Brooks. 29:44 - Change My Mind: Here it comes down to this -- will Dave change Donnie’s mind about the 'stache? 35:54 - The Dad Life Sound Check Mentioned in this Episode: Prince Rahotep Pazyrik horseman 2014 BBC article about Edward, Prince of Wales Dr. Fu Manch from the British author Sax Rohmer Magnum P.I. Yosemite Sam Tombstone Jeopardy and Alex Trebek Fatherly article about moustaches Movember Children's Book Episode Identify this 90's moustache on Instagram with Zach Top Buzzing sounds… Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode "East Bound and Down" by Jerry Reed "Worst Way" by Riley Green "Use Me" by Zach Top "Honky Tonk City" by Braxton Keith "Three Car Garage" by Flatland Cavalry "The Coyote & The Cowboy" By Colter Wall "I'm a Little Crazy" by Morgan Wallen "American Nights" by Zach Bryan "Country Boy" by Alan Jackson song "Boot Scootin' Boogie" by Brooks and Dunn "Prop Me Up Beside the Jukebox (If I Die)" by Joe Diffie "You’ve Got to Stand for Something" by Aaron Tippin "Down on the Farm" by Tim McGraw "Every Light in the House" by Trace Adkins "Alibis" by Tracy Lawrence "Brand New Man" by Brooks and Dunn "Always Have What We Had" by William Prince

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  • S2 · E12
    Aug 13, 2025 · 35 min

    Jeremy Pinnell on Country Music, Jiu-Jitsu and Balance

    In this episode, The Dads speak with Jeremy Pinnell, a country music dad from Elsmere, Kentucky. Jeremy released his first full-length album in 2014 on SofaBurn Records, featuring a collection of songs that draw from his life to tell a truly country story. Jeremy recently released brand new singles “Save You” and “Come Home to Me.” He joined the Dads to talk about family, finding balance and all sorts of other topics on this episode. Show Notes: 2:00 - Jeremy’s music seems highly biographical, but he gets into his roots and family background that shaped his musical approach and personal experience. 5:15 - The stories in Jeremy’s music feel true. And that is something that resonates with him. Story songs have always resonated with Jeremy, and he believes other folks like them too because they want to experience others and “feel uncomfortable.” In the discussion of “Feel This Right,” Jeremy notes that the story is true -- perhaps. 8:38 - Jeremy discusses how his experiences and drug use influenced his earlier writing. He goes on to say that he doesn’t discuss these songs with his son as he wants to allow him to just be a kid, something that he didn’t have the opportunity to do in many cases. 11:02 - A discussion of the push and pull of home and the road -- Jeremy started touring about the same time his son was born. It’s getting harder as he grows up, but he still needs to balance the pull of the road. 12:40 - Donnie brings up the ideas of “I Don’t Believe” about religion, being a good person and other issues. Jeremy explains that he was looking for something when he wrote that song, and he’s still not sure why, but it has become a study of being content where you are in life. 15:05 - Jeremy talks Jiu-Jitsu, getting his ass kicked and finding balance in being uncomfortable. 18:31 - Work makes Jeremy happy. He shares that enjoyment on socials, but it’s more about sharing what he enjoys, not some desire to prove his country credentials. For the Dads and Jeremy, work provides a counterbalance to chaos that is always rewarding. 21:09 - When talking about balancing inspirations, Jeremy told the Dads about the rules about not talking about the venue until you are three miles down the road with the windows up. And that gave birth to a great idea -- and that is sort of how that happens. 24:00 - The story of the “Save You” music video. 26:38 - The new singles from Jeremy were produced by Shooter Jennings. The studio process was about highlighting the song and making it as strong as it could be, Jeremy explains. 28:45 - The Dad Life Sound Check is coming in hard with Jeremy leaning into silence. A nice shift. Donnie and Dave have songs. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in the Show Western AF Cincinnati Airport Jiu-Jitsu The Five-Day Work Week LFDW Podcast ZZ Top Jonathan Tyler Nikki Lane’s advice: make the music you want to make Rod Gator and the “Save You” music video Sagebrush, Austin Zach Bryan References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode “The Way Country Sounds” by Jeremy Pinnell “Ballad of 1982” by Jeremy Pinnell “Night Time Eagle” by Jeremy Pinnell “Save You” by Jeremy Pinnell “Teddy Bear” by Red Sovin “Feel this Right” by Jeremy Pinnell “Satisfied Mind” by Porter Wagner “I Don’t Believe” by Jeremy Pinnell “Goodbye, L.A.” by Jeremy Pinnell. “Legs” by ZZ Top “Never Thought of No One” by Jeremy Pinnell “Come Home to Me” by Jeremy Pinnell “Sunshine” by Ryan Bingham “Honey Do” by Steve Denmark

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  • S2 · E11
    Aug 6, 2025 · 9 min

    Why Dads Should Take Parental Leave, Plus a Country Music Dads Update

    Dave goes solo for this episode with a brief update on Country Music Dads' plans in the coming months and with a brief rant about parental leave for dads. Show Notes: 00:34: The Update Dave's having a baby! He shares how that news will affect the timing of the podcast in the coming months as he takes Podcaster Parental Leave. The Country Cutler Takeover of Country Music Dads is underway.... 03:53: A Brief Rant on Parental Leave for Dads: Dave encourages dads to take EVERY MINUTE of their paternity leave (especially if they get paid for it). It's good for you, it's good for the baby and it's good for the women in your lives. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in This Episode: Article about paternity leave by Tulane University Law School References Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode

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  • S2 · E10
    Jul 23, 2025 · 53 min

    Sean Burns Does It All

    This week, the Dads sit down with Manitoba's own Sean Burns. He’s a sideman, a frontman and a radio man -- and he’s your new best friend. Sean has been playing bass and touring with one of Canada’s best underground country stars, Corb Lund, for years. He makes time for his own solo career as a songwriter and purveyor of classic country sounds as the frontman of Sean Burns and The Lost Country. And he’s also the evangelical lover of traditional real country music and as the host of the Boots & Saddle Show, your humble home of honky-tonk and beautiful country music by beautiful country music singers, he shares his takes on what make great country music every Tuesday on CKUW 95.9 FM in Winnipeg, and then on podcast services around the globe. Throughout the show, they discuss the balancing act of being a touring musician with a deep passion for the music and being an engaged father to a young daughter. For Sean, it’s all about how the two worlds influence one another and finding the right balance as he navigates his life with his wife and kiddo. Show Notes: 2:01 -- Sean Burn’s country music origin story. 6:14 -- Dave asks Sean a very easy question: What is the best country music album of all time? He has his opinions, and then he gets into how to define country music -- what is and what isn’t country. It’s not as divisive as you might think. 9:24 -- The planning process for the Boots and Saddle Show. 13:30 -- The Canadian Music Rules and how Sean breaks the laws -- because he’s an outlaw! But he has great reasons for it. And then Sean goes deep into the history and Canadian infrastructure of country music through the 20th Century. 21:07 -- Balancing the road and the home life: Sean loves being a road warrior and “dadding up,” but it’s a hard balance. 25:33 -- How all the different creative pursuits provide different fulfillment to Sean that makes him a better and more complete person, which in the end makes him a better dad too. 30:00 -- Sean is a true critic and delivers truth without being a jackass. It’s not an easy process but the key is to be honest and keep it about the music, not the people. In the end, it is about what he wants. He also has some strong words about 90s country and the people making it. 36:01 -- The clear divide between the road and the home comes down to the responsibilities we all have. But the road and the music influence the home life, which exposes the little one to a bit of the road. And that brings the kiddo into the music life -- and gets to meet some weirdos. Driven and independent folks, but weirdos all the same! 41:24 -- The Dad Life Sound Check -- Sean and the Dads share their songs of the moment. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in the Show: The Boots and Saddle Show Don Stickle aka DJ Salty Cracker of Both Kinds of Music Bryan Saunderson of Hurting For Real Skinny Dyck of Lethbridge, Alberta Discogs.com Duley Record in Winnipeg Several legacy Canadian country music labels, including Arch Records, Marathon Records, Paragon Records, Boot Records, Quality Records, Banff Records and Rodeo Records Tommy Detamore Andrina Turenne References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode “Nightlife” by Ray Price “Roll Truck Roll” by Red Simpson “Life is a Highway” by Tom Cochrane “Life is a Highway” by Rascal Flatts “Before She Made Me Crawl” by Sean Burns “Crazy Arms” “Pick Me Up On Your Way Down” “Invitation to the Blues” “Swinging Doors” “Old Men” by Corb Lund “Tomorrow’s Good Ol’ Days” by Jesse Daniel “Diamonds and Divorce Decrees” by Sunny Sweeney “For You & I” by Garrett T Capps “SIGNED, SOBER YOU” by HARDY “Cows Around” by Corb Lund

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  • S2 · E9
    Jul 9, 2025 · 1 hr 3 min

    Family Vacation is a Lie

    ... or how I traveled with kids on summer break, and all I got was this grape snow cone. This week, the Dads talk about the season of family vacations. While these trips are a tremendous amount of work, all the research and our lasting memories suggest that, although these journeys aren’t exactly vacations, the family trip is incredibly valuable to the family unit. This episode explores some of the research — both academic and anecdotal — that supports our theory that these trips are great for families (if only in the long term), as well as some of the great country songs that can help us through the grind of the summer family vacation or family trip. Show Notes 01:08: How do we define the family trip vs. a vacation? Well, Google and the all-powerful AI summary help us out by delivering a clear and concise explanation. 02:08: Benefits of a Family Trip: While it’s exhausting, research seems to back the idea of taking a family trip. It keeps our family talking, helps our kids learn and enhances the bond between partners, no matter what was said when the directions were not followed exactly. 03:58: The Brutality of Traveling With Children: As a Stay-at-Home-Dad and “Default Parent,” Dave feels that family trips are often like business trips. So it’s just parenting on the road as you deal with the “brutality of traveling with children.” 06:28: Content Warning: The first mention of vomit. 08:33: Content Warning: The second mention of vomit. 9:39: Content Warning: The third mention of vomit. 11:35: Family Team-Building on the Family Trip: The idea of working together as a family during these trips helps the family grow together -- working as a team makes you a better family. 12:46: Dave’s Notorious Family Trip to Sequoia National Park and the Fisher Price Toy Lantern. 14:50: What is the best place to stay during a family trip? The rental house vs the hotel seems to be the debate. While the space and privacy seem to win out, the breakfast buffet is a huge plus. 20:40: Do Family Trips Need to Be Educational? Research suggests that educational trips make kids smarter, but do trips need to be explicitly educational for kids to extract value from the trip? The Dads touch on how just changing it up a bit, doing things you want to do and working through the difficulties on the road provides the real educational value — and how Dad Stories (read: lies about things on the side of the road) are critical. 27:32: Content Warning: The fourth mention of vomit. 29:50: Conquering the Family Trip: The Dads discuss packing, planning spreadsheets, and other key tactics. 32:19: Content Warning: The fifth mention of vomit, and this one is intense. 33:14: Giving our Kids a 90s Summer: Is this possible? Should it be? 40:27: The Songs of the Summer: The Dads debate the greatest country music for the summer. As well as a few songs for cleaning up vomit. 51:17: Change My Mind: Donnie attempts to change Dave’s mind about using profanity in front of the kids. It’s a great f**ing conversation. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in the Show Good Time - Alan Jackson Chattahoochee - Alan Jackson Hot Summer Day - Turnpike Troubadors/John Hartford Things Have Gone to Pieces - George Jones Honky Tonkin’ for Life - Hannah Juanita Cold Beer & Country Music - Zach Top Good Times & Tan Lines - Zach Top Denim & Diamonds - Nikki Lane It’s a Great Day to Be Alive - Travis Tritt References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode Vacation or Trip? A Helpful Guide for Parents - M. Blazoned, Huffington Post NuclearMeltdown - Jim Dalrymple Why You Should Travel With Your Kids - Jim Dalrymple, Institute of Family Studies The Billy Bob’s Texas Step and Repeat Story The Ultimate Stay-at-Home Dad - Shannon Carpenter Family Leisure Satisfaction and Satisfaction with Family - Journal of Leisure Research Life Profanity Can Sometimes Be the Best Medicine, Increasing Pain Tolerance by ~33% - Katie Brown, Psychiatrist.com On Bullshit - Harry G. Frankfurt

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  • S2 · E8
    Jun 25, 2025 · 46 min

    The Doohickeys on Comedy, Dad Jokes and Country Music

    Our guests this episode are The Doohickeys, a comedic country music duo who are on the rise in the Americana and country music worlds. Haley and Jack join The Dads to talk about their journey from house parties and open mic nights in LA to playing the Ryman Auditorium and releasing their debut album, All Hat No Cattle. We talk about their creative process, the current state of independent country music, and about how Jack was once starstruck by Jon Pardi. We also talk about Dad Jokes: the definition, their proper use, and their pun-filled overlap with country music. This pair is hilarious and we hope you enjoy a behind-the-scenes look at their unique brand of comedy and music. Show Notes 03:31: Creative Process for a Comedic Country Duo: Haley and Jack like to start with a clever premise. And even if they don't think Too Ugly to Hitchhike is the smartest song they've written, plenty of fans thinks so. 05:29: The Doohickeys Origin Story: The Doohickeys were born at an LA Halloween party and raised on a shared love of "good" country music and an original plan to make sketch comedy YouTube videos. 10:13: More Background on Creating Comedy Songs and Their Comedy Influences: Haley and Jack share the story behind Rein it in Cowboy. And they cover their main influences like Minnie Pearl, the Blue Collar Comedy Tour, and their very funny parents and grandparents. 14:54: The Doohickeys Play The Ryman: The duo share their thoughts on playing The Mother Church of Country Music and pooping in the same toilet as Hank Williams. 16:58: Making a Point vs Making It Funny: Jack shares some wisdom from Phil Rosenthal (showrunner for Everybody Loves Raymond) about the power of clarity in comedy to get laughs and to get your point across. They also comment on the balance that serious artists walk when trying to be funny, and that funny artists walk when trying to be serious. 21:33: The Doohickeys Get Serious: Jack and Haley give their commentary on the state of popular country music and the entertainment industry at-large, the uphill battle independent artists face, and their love/hate relationship with Spotify. 27:54: Please Tell Me You're Sleepin' is Not Safe for the Family: Dave shares how he accidentally played one of The Doohickeys' more risque songs on a family road trip, and Haley shares how they were banned from a radio station for that same song. 30:38: The Definition of a Dad Joke: The Doohickeys weigh in on Dave and Donnie's favorite comedy genre. Jack uses the poor pun in Tequila Little Time to share his true feelings about Jon Pardi. 38:20: The Dad Joke Laugh Off: The Dads and The Doohickeys go head to head with their best dad jokes in an effort to get a laugh (or at least a cringe). Mentioned in This Episode Saving Country Music review American Songwriter interview The Tiny Desk contest Minnie Pearl Ray Stevens Phil Rosenthal's book Cocaine and Rhinestones The Big Book of Insults Jeff Foxworthy's Complete Redneck Dictionary Freakonomics podcast about AI and Dad Jokes References Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode "This Town Sucks" by The Doohickeys "Too Ugly to Hitchhike" by The Doohickeys "I Wish My Truck Was Bigger" by The Doohickeys "All Hat No Cattle" by The Doohickeys "Rein It In Cowboy" by The Doohickeys "Please Tell Me You're Sleepin'" by The Doohickeys "Tequila Little Time" by Jon Pardi

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  • S2 · E7
    Jun 11, 2025 · 36 min

    Tony Kamel Fights With a Smile: On Fatherhood, Real Stories and Finding Hope in Hard Times

    Tony Kamel, a Grammy-nominated singer/songwriter, clawhammer banjo and guitar player, and father to a four-year-old girl, joins the show to talk about his latest album, We’re All Gonna Live, and to give us a behind-the-scenes look at the stories and real people that inspired many of his songs. Tony shares how his new-ish role as a father and his relationship with his own late father influences his music in an honest, vulnerable and inspiring interview. Listen along as the Dads commiserate with this stalwart of the bluegrass world about shared family calendars, the challenges of being a working parent, and finding hope in the stories of real people in roots and folk music. Show Notes 02:05: The Story Behind We’re All Gonna Live: Tony describes the creation of his latest album, how fatherhood affected the creative process, and where the theme of death and loss on the album came from. 07:18: “Fight With a Smile:” Tony tells the story of how his grandmother helped him find strength and hope during difficult times and how her wisdom influenced the album’s theme (and cover art). 10:52: Authenticity and Tradition in Storytelling and Fatherhood: Tony shares that many of the stories in his songs are about real people and real experiences. He comments on the importance of telling authentic stories in roots and folk music and of bringing authenticity to your parenting. 15:28: 90’s Alt-Rock Cover Songs: Tony talks about his viral banjo cover of “Santa Monica” by Everclear and the songwriting quality of many alt-rock songs we remember from our childhoods. 18:49: "We’re All Gonna Live:" Tony tells the true story that inspired the title track of We’re All Gonna Live. 22:24: "A Father and a Daughter:" Tony shares the inspiration behind his song "A Father and a Daughter" and how he considers it to be a gift to his daughter as she grows up. 26:08: The Dad Life Sound Check: Tony shares one of his dad’s favorite songs, George Strait’s "Love Without End, Amen." Dave talks about how Summer Dean’s “Lonely Girl’s Lament” reminds him to consider the single people in the “village” helping to raise his kids. And Donnie can’t help but choose Tony Kamel’s “The Surfer” (and he swears he’s not just sucking up to the songwriter in the room). Mentioned in This Episode: Tony Kamel Wood and Wire "We're All Gonna Live" album cover art Country Cutler’s article in Saddle Mountain Post about 90's country Dr. Becky References: Theme Music: “Dark Country Rock” by Moodmode "We're All Gonna Live" by Tony Kamel "Makin' It Work" by Tony Kamel "Sue" by Tony Kamel "The Surfer" by Tony Kamel "Santa Monica" by Tony Kamel "Santa Monica" by Everclear "No Rain" by Tony Kamel "A Father and a Daughter" by Tony Kamel "Love Without End, Amen" by George Strait "Lonely Girl's Lament" by Summer Dean

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  • S2 · E6
    May 28, 2025 · 57 min

    Daddy's Got His Blue Jeans On: A Deep Dive Into Country Music's Pants

    Blue jeans are ubiquitous in country music. Yet dads (and kids) often choose the comfort and flexibility of "soft pants" over the rich history and unforgiving fit of denim. In this episode, the dads explore how blue jeans fit in our kids' active lives, on dads' expanding waistlines and in country music tropes. They're joined by author James Sullivan (who literally wrote the book on blue jeans) to dive deep into the history of blue jeans in America, culture and music. If you've ever wondered where our blue jeans obsession comes from, or whether you'll ever fit into your suddenly "tight-fitting jeans" again, this is the episode for you. To wrap things up, Dave spends the "Change My Mind" segment trying to convince Donnie that even aging dads should embrace the discomfort (read: suffering) of country music festivals in pursuit of growth and, perhaps, the fountain of youth. Show Notes 3:32: Should Our Kids Wear Jeans? In a Scary Mommy article, a pediatric occupational therapist suggested that kids should not wear jeans. The dads discuss the merits of blue jeans in the lives of active, knee-skinning children. 7:17: Should Dads Wear Jeans? When the size of your pants is a moving target, pants selection gets tricky. The dads weigh the requirements for “dad pants” from ruggedness and cool-factor to flexibility and comfort. 9:44: The History Of Blue Jeans: Donnie kicks off an initial history lesson by reading the Levi’s website with the voice of an old-timey movie narrator. 13:46: Blue Jeans in Western Wear: A western wear aficionado, Donnie, weighs in on denim’s role in “the scene” and encourages Dave to check out the rancher pant (or maybe a nudie suit). 16:37: Do Stretchy Jeans Still Count? The dads discuss the current trend toward stretchy (but less rugged) jeans-like materials and whether that matters in the world of blue jeans. 20:05: Blue Jeans in Country Music: Of the many mentions of blue jeans in country music, the dads hone in on two common tropes: the funny yet often cringey sexual innuendo of “tight fittin’ jeans” and the more family-friendly images of nostalgic Americana and simpler times. 28:02: Author James Sullivan on Blue Jeans and American Culture: James Sullivan joins the podcast to share a more in-depth look at the history of blue jeans, based on his work writing Jeans: A Cultural History of an American Icon. 38:41: How the Hatred of Laundry Led to a Resurgence in Blue Jeans’ Popularity: James Sullivan tells the story of how the Denim Council reversed blue jeans’ “juvenile delinquent” reputation with a clever marketing campaign. 46:25: The Dad Life Sound Check: Donnie discovers a sad country song about laundry: Rebecca Porter’s “The Laundry Pile.” Dave looks forward to finding his “Chattahoochee” this summer, though he’d prefer not to wear jeans in the lake like Alan Jackson does in the music video. 49:06: Change My Mind: Dave changes gears and encourages Donnie to “choose discomfort” in an effort to change his mind about whether aging dads still belong at multi-day country music festivals. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in the Show Ameripolitan Awards Scary Mommy post about jeans on kids Levi's history page Brett Favre Wrangler commercial playing backyard football Jukebox Mama COUNTRY-Country Music podcast Jeans: A Cultural History of an American Icon by James Sullivan Chattahoochee Music Video References: Theme Music: "Dark Country Rock" by Moodmode "Tight Fittin' Jeans" by Conway Twitty "Baby's Got Her Blue Jeans On" by Mel McDaniel "Those Jeans" by Ray Scott "Girl in a Country Song" by Maddie and Tae "Dance a Little Closer" by Emily Love "You Look Good in Neon" by Silverada "Bury Me in Blue Jeans" by Midland "Bury Me in Blue Jeans" by Granger Smith "Barefoot Blue Jean Night" by Jake Owen "You Never Even Called Me By My Name" by David Allan Coe (written by Steve Goodman) "Blue Jean Bop" by Gene Vincent "Cadillac Ranch" by Bruce Springsteen "Blue Jean Baby" by Zach Bryan "Black Denim Trousers and Motorcycle Boots" by The Cheers "L'Homme a la moto" by Edith Piaf "The Laundry Pile" by Rebecca Porter "Chattahoochee" by Alan Jackson

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    May 14, 2025 · 45 min

    Ted Russell Kamp: A Founding Father of Alt-Country

    Ted Russell Kamp, a Los Angeles-based musician, songwriter, producer and country music dad, joins Dave and Donnie to talk about the evolution of modern country music from his perspective as one of the forefathers of the modern alt-country movement. Ted's balance between touring, producing, songwriting, and building a family is unique and inspiring. We also explore his time with Shooter Jennings, his recent solo work and drop a boatload of stories from his time on the road and in the studio. Show Notes 2:23: Ted tells us a bit about his background and entry into the country music space and how he grew up not liking pedal steel. But once discovering The Band and Whiskeytown, things really changed. 5:27: Ted’s move to LA introduced him to many of the great California country legends, like Merle, Buck and Dwight -- and having the opportunity to play with those who played with them -- pushed him further into this space. 6:01: The Shooter Jennings Relationship starts like most great music relationships -- a Hollywood jam session in a dingy practice space. 10:28: Slappin’ the Bass -- Ted has always loved the bass and that is how he can build trust with bands, musicians and production partners. 11:32: Six Degrees of Ted Russell Kamp gets us to Diplo and how his bass line got onto “Use Me (Brutal Hearts).” To quote Ted, this is a totally weird and wonderful LA rock star story. 18:09: The guys talk about Ted’s semi-autobiographical album and the push and pull of the road and family life. Luckily, Ted and his wife worked together to create a balance that worked for them, but it wasn’t easy and it took work to figure it out. 27:20: The Dads talk about the resurgence of roots music and freedom the LA Music Scene allows for exploration and creativity in this space. Ted finds the genre orthodoxy from some in the scene to be an interesting aspect of this renaissance and provides a few examples for those looking to dip their toe in the alt-country Americana space. 31:30: A quick discussion of the nostalgia loop and how what was on the radio when your parents were driving you around as a kid influences you as an adult. But as the world gets more complex, people long for things like music that they can understand, Ted explains. 36:12: The Dad Life Sound Check provides a chance for Ted to tell stories about Waylon Jennings being a mensch, Dave shares some great news and Donnie talks about the passage of time while using the word “vibe” too many times. Ted also provides more insight into his song writing process. Thank you for listening. The best way to support us is to subscribe to the show on Spotify, Apple podcasts, or whatever podcast platform you use. If you want to see new episodes and more content delivered straight to your email inbox, please subscribe to our newsletter: countrymusicdads.substack.com. You can find everything we do on our website: countrymusicdads.com. And we’d love to hear what you think, so send us comments, suggestions, friendly banter on Instagram @countrymusicdads, or via email countrymusicdads@gmail.com. Mentioned in this Episode: Shooter Jennings James Taylor Ted touches on how discovering The Band, Old 97s, Whiskeytown, Sun Volt, Uncle Tupelo and several others, paved the path to his chosen career in the alt-country and Americana space. Diplo and Sturgill Simpson partnership The Godfather’s final scene’s explanation of a man’s job Alan Jackson Tyler Childers Chris Stapleton West of Texas That 70s Show, The Flying Burrito Brothers and Emmylou Harris Waylon Jennings stories from the road References: Theme Music: "Dark Country Rock" by Moodmode “Put the O Back in Country” - Shooter Jennings “16 Days” - Whiskeytown “The Weight” - The Band “Use Me (Brutal Hearts)” - Diplo, Dove Cameron, and Sturgill Simpson “The Ballad of the Troubadour” - Ted Russell Kamp “July 4th/He Stopped Loving Her Today” - Shooter Jennings/George Jones “Lonesome, On'ry and Mean” - Waylon Jennings “Another Leaf” - Charles Wesley Godwin “Daddy’s Mugshot” - Laci Kaye Booth

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