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Chiney Today

ESPN, Omaha Productions, Chiney Ogwumike

Chiney Today is a twice-weekly podcast hosted by two-time WNBA All-Star and ESPN basketball analyst Chiney Ogwumike, delivering smart analysis and spirited insight at the intersection of hoops and culture. As one of the few national voices covering both men’s and women’s basketball at the highest level, Chiney bridges every corner of the game connecting leagues, storylines, and the moments that shape how fans experience basketball today. From the biggest headlines to the deeper cultural currents driving the sport, Chiney Today informs, entertains, challenges, and celebrates the game as it continues to evolve on and off the court.

  • 20 episodes
  • Updated Friday

Episodes20

  • Friday · 29 min

    Sonia Citron on Her Game-Winner, All-Star Rise & the Mystics’ Fearless Mentality | Chiney Today

    Washington Mystics guard and two-time WNBA All-Star Sonia Citron joins Chiney Ogwumike (14:36) to break down the wild game-winner she thought had slipped away, the split-second decision behind her turnaround jumper, and what went through her mind before the celebration could begin. Sonia also opens up about her second All-Star experience, working with her best friend as her stylist, surviving the Mystics’ four-overtime thriller, and the areas of her game she is developing as she looks to become more than a shooter and grow into a complete playmaker. Before the interview, Chiney weighs in on the biggest WNBA second-half predictions, including whether Marina Mabrey and Jessica Shepard will break major league records, whether the Indiana Fever can become the highest-scoring team in WNBA history, Olivia Miles’ All-WNBA chances, the New York Liberty’s playoff outlook, and the possibility of JuJu Watkins eventually landing in Houston. In this episode: Sonia Citron takes us inside her game-winning shot The Mystics’ fearless team culture and playoff push Sonia’s evolution as a ball-handler and playmaker Her WNBA All-Star experience and off-court style Chiney’s hottest second-half predictions The WNBA records that could fall this season Indiana Fever, New York Liberty, and Minnesota Lynx outlooks Olivia Miles, A’ja Wilson, and the race for postseason positioning Subscribe to Chiney Today for more hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • Tuesday · 38 min

    The WNBA's Commissioner Question: Is It The End of The Cathy Engelbert Era? | Chiney Today

    Chiney is back from WNBA All-Star Weekend in Chicago and breaking down the biggest highlights, lowlights and history-making moments from the celebration. ESPN’s Alexa Philippou joins the show to discuss WNBA commissioner Cathy Engelbert’s uncertain future, her relationship with players, and whether the league needs a different kind of leadership for its next chapter. Plus, Chiney celebrates Jonquel Jones’ All-Star Game MVP, Dominique Malonga’s historic dunk, Azzi Fudd’s three-point contest victory, and Nneka Ogwumike becoming the WNBA All-Star Game’s all-time leading scorer. Chiney and Brandon also share their ideas for improving All-Star Weekend, including more rest for players, the return of the four-point shot, and a potential one-on-one tournament. In this episode: Is Cathy Engelbert still the right commissioner to lead the WNBA? Why the relationship between league leadership and players matters Jonquel Jones adds All-Star Game MVP to her résumé Azzi Fudd makes history in the three-point contest Dominique Malonga throws down a historic All-Star Game dunk Nneka Ogwumike becomes the WNBA All-Star Game’s all-time leading scorer How the WNBA can improve All-Star Weekend Should the four-point shot make its return? Could a one-on-one tournament become the next signature event? Subscribe to Chiney Today, the home for hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 26 · 18 min

    WNBA All-Star Weekend: JJ’s MVP, Nneka’s Record & Second-Half Contenders with Andraya Carter | Chiney Today

    Chiney Ogwumike is live from Chicago with Andraya Carter for a joyful recap of WNBA All-Star Weekend. They break down Jonquel Jones’ MVP performance, Dominique Malonga’s statement dunk, and Nneka Ogwumike becoming the WNBA All-Star Game’s all-time leading scorer. Andraya also shares the personal meaning behind her return to work and the friend she dedicated the weekend to. Then, Chiney and Andraya look ahead to the second half of the season, including the rise of the Dallas Wings, Gabby Williams’ impact in Golden State, Minnesota’s surprising success, and why it is still difficult to bet against A’ja Wilson and the Las Vegas Aces. Plus, ESPN Senior Researcher Jason Joseph joins Chiney to revisit the biggest moments, milestones, and numbers from a celebration of the WNBA’s past, present, and future. Subscribe to Chiney Today, the home for hoops, headlines, and happy times Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 24 · 21 min

    WNBA All-Star Wahala: Skills Challenge Snubs, Late Invites and Chiney’s Picks

    Chiney Ogwumike is live from WNBA Live in Chicago to get you ready for the 2026 WNBA All-Star Weekend. Chiney breaks down the Shooting Stars field, makes her picks for the three-point contest and reacts to the late-invite controversy surrounding Sabrina Ionescu and Kayla McBride. How does a defending champion never receive an official invitation—and is 48 hours enough notice for a player to change her All-Star plans? Plus, Chiney discusses Kahleah Copper replacing Kelsey Plum, Caitlin Clark becoming an NBA 2K27 cover athlete and Napheesa Collier’s dominant return to the Minnesota Lynx. In this episode: • Chiney’s Shooting Stars and three-point contest predictions • Sabrina Ionescu and Kayla McBride’s late-invite controversy • Kahleah Copper named an All-Star replacement • Caitlin Clark lands the NBA 2K27 Deluxe Edition cover • Napheesa Collier returns and puts the WNBA on notice • Chiney celebrates 30 seasons of the WNBA Subscribe to Chiney Today, the home for hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 22 · 35 min

    WNBA Power Rankings: Lynx on Top, Fever Rising, Liberty Falling | Chiney Today

    The Minnesota Lynx are back on top, the Indiana Fever are heating up, and the New York Liberty are headed in the wrong direction. Chiney Ogwumike reveals her latest WNBA Power Rankings, breaking down Minnesota’s depth, Golden State’s elite defense, the rise of Paige Bueckers and the Dallas Wings, and why Caitlin Clark and Kelsey Mitchell deserve to be in everybody's Top 5. Plus, Chiney celebrates Nneka Ogwumike becoming the Sparks’ all-time leading scorer, reacts to the Angel Reese and Toronto Tempo controversy, and recaps her wild weekend at Fanatics Fest, including the moment she conquered her fear and held a python LIVE on set. In this episode: Chiney’s full WNBA Power Rankings Why the Fever are surging Why The Wings Are In My Top 5 What’s going wrong with the Liberty Nneka Ogwumike makes Sparks history Chiney holds a python at Fanatics Fest Let us know in the reviews where Chiney should eat while in Chicago for WNBA All-Star Weekend, or where your team belongs in the rankings. Subscribe to Chiney Today, the heartbeat of hoops. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 17 · 32 min

    Team Spoon vs. Team Coop: Who Has the Better WNBA All-Star Team? Plus Messi’s World Cup Final

    Caitlin Clark and Paige Bueckers headline the 2026 WNBA All-Star rosters, but which side actually has the better team? Chiney Ogwumike is joined by JayDee Dyer to break down Team Spoon vs. Team Coop. They agree on the biggest All-Star snub: Kamilla Cardoso, and argue her case for a spot, and why the New York Liberty could have the highest ceiling in the W. Then the conversation shifts to the World Cup, where Lionel Messi continues to defy Father Time, Argentina prepares to face Spain in the final, Erling Haaland becomes a global star, and JayDee tries to convince Chiney to become an Arsenal fan. In this episode: Caitlin Clark and Paige Bueckers lead the WNBA All-Star teams Team Spoon vs. Team Coop: Who has the better roster? Does Kamilla Cardoso deserve an All-Star spot? Sabrina Ionescu, Breanna Stewart and the Liberty’s championship ceiling Messi’s greatness ahead of Argentina vs. Spain Erling Haaland’s breakout World Cup personality Which Premier League team should Chiney support? JayDee explains why Jay-Z at Yankee Stadium topped his sports bucket-list moments Subscribe to Chiney Today—the heartbeat of hoops—for more WNBA conversations, reactions, and interviews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 14 · 37 min

    Can Olivia Miles Take A’ja Wilson’s MVP Award? + WNBA Midseason Awards | Chiney Today

    The WNBA has reached the midway point, which means it’s time to hand out some hardware. Chiney Ogwumike is joined by ESPN Senior Researcher Jason Joseph to reveal their 2026 WNBA midseason award winners, from Sixth Woman of the Year and Coach of the Year to Most Improved Player, Defensive Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year, and, of course, MVP. A’ja Wilson remains the standard, but Olivia Miles has quickly entered the MVP conversation while putting together a historic rookie season. Plus, Chiney and JayJo debate Jessica Shepard versus Marina Mabrey for Most Improved Player, Gabby Williams’ case for Defensive Player of the Year and Cheryl Reeve’s latest coaching masterclass in Minnesota. Then they have some ESPYs-inspired fun by selecting the season’s best game, best record-breaking performance, best drip, and most dedicated WNBA superfan. In this episode: Is A’ja Wilson trending toward her fifth MVP, or can Olivia Miles make history as a rookie? Olivia Miles takes Rookie of the Year and enters the MVP conversation. Jessica Shepard and Marina Mabrey battle for Most Improved Player. Gabby Williams leads the Defensive Player of the Year race. Cheryl Reeve continues making history with the Minnesota Lynx. Marina Mabrey’s 53-point masterpiece gets its flowers. Paige Bueckers, Angel Reese, Lauren Betts, and Ezi Magbegor battle for best drip. Leslie Jones, Jason Sudeikis, Latto, aka Big Mama, and Kevin Durant compete for WNBA superfan of the year. Chiney Today is your home for hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 10 · 27 min

    AJ Dybantsa vs. Darryn Peterson: The NBA's Next Rivalry? | Chiney Today

    AJ Dybantsa and Darryn Peterson gave NBA fans an early look at what could become one of the league’s next great rivalries. Chiney Ogwumike and Hall of Fame journalist Marc J. Spears are LIVE from NBA Summer League in Las Vegas to break down the matchup between the No. 1 and No. 2 overall picks. AJ Dybantsa dropped 27 in his Summer League debut, tying the scoring record for a No. 1 pick, while Peterson hit a quiet 24 for Utah. Chiney and Marc J. Spears react to both performances, what stood out from the matchup, the Dads of the next generation, and why this rookie class has “All-Star” written all over it. In this episode: AJ Dybantsa’s record-tying 27-point debut AJ Dybantsa vs. Darryn Peterson What Peterson showed against AJ The Wizards got the “Most Competitive Kid” How Peterson could take Utah to the Playoffs Yaxel Lendeborg in Golden State Cam Boozer and other rookies to watch 2026 NBA Draft class has Vegas Hitting Different Chiney + Marc J. Spears Talk Vegas Could this be the start of the NBA’s next great rivalry? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 8 · 35 min

    Nneka Makes History, WNBA All-Star Reserves Revealed & Biggest Snubs | Chiney Today

    The 2026 WNBA All-Star roster is officially set — and Chiney Today is breaking down the full reserves list. Chiney Ogwumike is joined by ESPN Senior Researcher Jason Joseph to react to the WNBA All-Star reserves, including Angel Reese, Allisha Gray, Rhyne Howard, Jackie Young, Sonia Citron, Kiki Iriafen, Jonquel Jones, Marina Mabrey, Dominique Malonga, Courtney Williams, Kelsey Plum, and NNEKA OGWUMIKE! Chiney clears the paint to celebrate a special milestone for her sister, Nneka Ogwumike, who earned her 11th All-Star selection and joined rare company in WNBA history. Plus, Chiney and JayJo debate the biggest All-Star snubs, look ahead to All-Star Weekend in Chicago, and discuss the drama surrounding the Chicago Sky’s decision to bench Skylar Diggins, ending her long-running starter streak. In this episode: WNBA All-Star reserves revealed Nneka Ogwumike makes history with her 11th All-Star selection Angel Reese earns another All-Star nod Atlanta’s Big Three gets full All-Star recognition Marina Mabrey and Dominique Malonga become first-time All-Stars Biggest All-Star snubs: Alyssa Thomas, Kahleah Copper, Kamilla Cardoso, Chelsea Gray, and more Drama in the Windy City after Skylar Diggins is benched Chiney and JayJo look ahead to WNBA All-Star Weekend in Chicago Chiney Today is your home for hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 3 · 47 min

    Chiney Responds, GoJo Returns, and WNBA All-Stars Are Here | Chiney Today

    Chiney Today is back — and Chiney is calling an old friend. After Chiney’s A’ja Wilson and Tom Brady comparison sparked a major reaction online, Mike Golic Jr. joins the show for a much-needed wellness check, perspective, and a reminder that sports debates are supposed to be fun. Chiney and GoJo also celebrate his return to ESPN Radio with Mike Golic Sr., look back on their Chiney & Golic Jr. days, and play a game of putting NBA free agency moves “in NFL terms” — from LeBron James potentially leaving the Lakers to a hypothetical Jaylen Brown move to the Philadelphia 76ers. Plus, Chiney breaks down the 2026 WNBA All-Star starters and gives flowers to A’ja Wilson, Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, Kelsey Mitchell, Aliyah Boston, Brianna Stewart, Olivia Miles, Gabby Williams, Natasha Howard, Jess Shepard, and more. In This Episode Chiney responds to the Tom Brady/A’ja Wilson backlash Mike Golic Jr. joins for a “phone-a-friend” moment GoJo talks about returning to ESPN Radio with Mike Golic Sr. NBA Free Agency in NFL terms 2026 WNBA All-Star starters announced Chiney gives flowers to A’ja, Caitlin, Paige, Stewie + more Chiney Today is your home for hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • July 1 · 24 min

    LeBron Leaves The Lakers?! Chiney & Ramona React to the End of His LA Era | Chiney Today

    LeBron James is leaving the Los Angeles Lakers, and Chiney Ogwumike is joined by ESPN’s Ramona Shelburne to react to the end of one of the most defining eras in NBA history. Chiney and Ramona break down why LeBron and the Lakers decided it was time to part ways. Ramona explains why she doesn’t think LeBron was ever fully beloved or appreciated in LA, and why this Lakers breakup felt more mutual than messy. Plus, they get into what comes next: the Luka Doncic era in Los Angeles, possible LeBron landing spots, and whether teams like the Warriors, Cavaliers, Heat, Suns, Nuggets, Spurs, or Timberwolves could make a run at the King. In This Episode: LeBron’s shocking Lakers exit Why Ramona says LeBron wasn’t fully beloved in LA The end of LeBron’s purple-and-gold era How Luka Doncic changed the Lakers’ future LeBron’s legacy: title, scoring record, and Bronny Possible landing spots for LeBron What the Lakers do next Chiney frames the moment as “the end of one of the most defining eras in NBA history.” Ramona adds that while LeBron restored the Lakers to relevance, she does not think he was truly beloved or appreciated in LA the way other Lakers icons were. Subscribe to Chiney Today for hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • June 26 · 51 min

    WNBA Heat Check, LaMelo to Minnesota & Austin Reaves Gets Paid in LA | Chiney Today

    On this episode of Chiney Today, Chiney Ogwumike checks the temperature across the WNBA with a summer Heat Check: which teams are full blaze, which teams are heating up, and which teams need some AC. Chiney breaks down why A’ja Wilson and the Las Vegas Aces are still dangerous, how Paige Bueckers and the Dallas Wings are ahead of schedule, why Angel Reese looks right at home with the Atlanta Dream, and what is going wrong for the Chicago Sky. Plus, Chiney gives love to Nneka Ogwumike’s unforgettable game-winner during the WNBA’s 30th anniversary celebration. Then, Chiney reacts to the latest NBA headlines, including LaMelo Ball reportedly heading to Minnesota to team up with Anthony Edwards and Austin Reaves getting paid as a major piece of the Lakers’ future. In this episode: WNBA Heat Check — Chiney breaks down the teams that are full blaze, heating up, and in need of AC. A’ja Wilson and the Aces — Why A’ja’s dominance is anything but boring and why Las Vegas is still a team to deal with. Paige Bueckers and the Dallas Wings — How Dallas has already passed last year’s win total and why Paige is leading the rise. Angel Reese and the Atlanta Dream — Chiney explains why Atlanta may be the perfect fit and why Angel’s rebounding is generational. Chicago Sky Questions — Why the Sky’s season has been frustrating and what their roster construction says about the bigger picture. Nneka’s 30th Anniversary Moment — Chiney revisits the Sparks’ comeback win and Nneka’s storybook game-winner. LaMelo Ball to Minnesota — What LaMelo could unlock next to Anthony Edwards and why the Timberwolves needed another playmaker. Austin Reaves Gets Paid — What Reaves’ reported Lakers deal means for L.A.’s future with Luka and LeBron. Chiney Today is your home for hoops, headlines, and happy times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • June 24 · 51 min

    Giannis to Miami, NBA Draft Night Chaos & A.J. Dybantsa Goes No. 1 | Chiney Today

    Chiney Ogwumike and Ramona Shelburne react to a wild NBA Draft night headlined by A.J. Dybantsa going No. 1 overall to the Washington Wizards and Giannis Antetokounmpo being traded to the Miami Heat. Marc J. Spears give us a report from the NBA Draft green room after speaking with Dybantsa about becoming the top pick, joining Washington, honoring his family and preparing for life in D.C. Chiney and Ramona then break down the top selections of the night before turning to the mega trade: Giannis and Bobby Portis to Miami, Tyler Herro, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Kel’el Ware and draft compensation to Milwaukee. In this episode: A.J. Dybantsa goes No. 1 to the Washington Wizards Marc J. Spears reports from the NBA Draft green room Darryn Peterson lands with the Utah Jazz Cam Boozer brings hoops royalty to the Memphis Grizzlies Caleb Wilson gives the Chicago Bulls hope Darius Acuff Jr. brings Dame Lillard vibes to Sacramento Dallas builds around Cooper Flagg with Morez Johnson Jr. Golden State adds Yaxel Lendeborg Giannis Antetokounmpo is traded to the Miami Heat How Giannis fits with Bam Adebayo and Heat culture What Milwaukee got back for its franchise star Ramona grades the Giannis-to-Miami blockbuster Subscribe, rate, review, and drop us some love in the comments. What do you want to hear from us next? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • June 22 · 19 min

    Nneka Ogwumike’s Buzzer-Beater: Chiney Reacts to Sparks-Liberty Classic on Historic Night | Chiney Today

    Nneka Ogwumike called game — and Chiney is still processing it! On the 30th anniversary celebration of the WNBA’s first-ever game, the Los Angeles Sparks and New York Liberty delivered an instant classic. Chiney reacts to her sister Nneka hitting the game-winner, what the moment meant for LA, and why Court Origins night became much bigger than one shot. ESPN’s Angel Gray joins live from Los Angeles to take us behind the scenes of the celebration, the alumni reunion, Lisa Leslie’s powerful halftime speech, and the emotion inside the arena. Angel also breaks down how the Sparks erased New York’s physical advantage by pushing pace, winning key rebounds, and leaning on Nneka’s veteran leadership late. Then, Angel finds Nneka for a postgame moment as she explains what was going through her mind on the final shot, why honoring the legends made the night so emotional, and where this game ranks in her career. Chiney closes with a personal reflection on Nneka’s return to LA, her leadership, her legacy, and why this was a perfect showcase of the WNBA. In this episode: Chiney reacts to Nneka Ogwumike’s game-winner Sparks complete a comeback vs. the Liberty Angel Gray reports live from Court Origins night in LA WNBA legends are honored on the 30th anniversary celebration Lisa Leslie delivers a powerful halftime message Nneka reflects on history, legacy, and “rewriting history” How LA’s pace and rebounding changed the game late Chiney shares what this moment meant to Nneka’s sister Subscribe, rate, and review Chiney Today for more conversations across women’s basketball and women’s sports. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • June 19 · 33 min

    SHOCKING No. 1 Pick! Jeremy Woo’s 2026 NBA Mock Draft Show | Chiney Today

    Chiney Ogwumike is Commissioner for the day on Chiney Today as ESPN NBA Draft Analyst Jeremy Woo joins the show for a full 2026 NBA Mock Draft. Jeremy makes a surprising call at the top, choosing Darryn Peterson over AJ Dybantsa at No. 1, then breaks down the rest of his top 10 with Chiney. They discuss team fits, prospect upside, pro readiness, and the players who could shape the next era of the NBA. In this episode: No. 1 Pick Debate: Darryn Peterson vs. AJ Dybantsa Top Prospect Breakdown: Cam Boozer, Caleb Wilson, Mikel Brown Jr., Darius Acuff Jr., Brayden Burries, Nate Ament, and Kingston Flemings Team Fits: Wizards, Jazz, Grizzlies, Bulls, Nets, Kings, Hawks, Mavericks, and Bucks Biggest Swing Picks: Brooklyn at No. 6, Dallas in the Cooper Flagg era, and Milwaukee with Giannis speculation looming Sleeper to Watch: Jeremy’s favorite prospect outside the top 10 Draft Day Routine: How Jeremy prepares for one of the biggest nights on the NBA calendar Plus, Chiney reflects on her own draft night, why the moment is so life-changing for players, and what makes the NBA Draft one of the most exciting events in basketball. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • June 14 · 29 min

    The Knicks Are NBA Champs! | Game 5 Reaction | Chiney Today

    Chiney Today: For the first time since 1973, the New York Knicks are NBA Champions. What an incredible run by this team as in a crucial close out game Jalen Brunson dropped 45 points to make sure his team won the Larry O’Brien trophy! Ramona Shelburne and Iman Shumpert stop by to describe what just happened!

  • June 11 · 32 min

    Knicks Complete Biggest Finals Comeback EVER | Game 4 Reaction | Chiney Today

    WHAT JUST HAPPENED?! The Knicks somehow erased a 29-point deficit to complete the LARGEST comeback in NBA Finals history after OG Anunoby’s last second tipped shot. Ramona Shelburne, Alan Hahn, Jeremy, Lin, and Stephen A. Smith stop by to break down the madness at Madison Square Garden. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • June 9 · 33 min

    Wemby is BACK! De’Aaron Fox Was Clutch As Spurs Win Game 3 | Chiney Today

    The Spurs stormed Madison Square Garden and stole Game 3 115-111 as the Knicks 13-game playoff winning streak was snapped. Victor Wembanyama matched Jalen Brunson’s intensity with 32 Pts, 8 Reb, 6 Ast, 3 Blk, and 2 Stl. Have the Spurs solved the championship puzzle to get three more wins to become champs? Or was Game 3 merely a blip on the radar for the Knicks? All of that and more on this postgame reaction from Chiney! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • June 4 · 23 min

    Knicks Take Game 1: Brunson Shines, Wemby’s Struggles & Finals Predictions | Chiney Today

    Game 1 of the NBA Finals is in the books, and the New York Knicks made a statement. Live from San Antonio, Chiney Ogwumike is joined by Ramona Shelburne to break down the Knicks’ 105-95 win over the Spurs, Jalen Brunson’s late-game takeover, Karl-Anthony Towns’ physical matchup with Victor Wembanyama, Josh Hart’s chaotic impact, and why OG Anunoby continues to be one of New York’s most important postseason pieces. Plus, Chiney and Ramona take you inside the atmosphere in San Antonio — from Spurs legends in the building to the celebrity sightings — and look ahead to whether Wemby and the Spurs can respond in Game 2. 👀 Is this Knicks team built to finish the job, or is San Antonio ready to punch back? New episodes of Chiney Today every Tuesday and Friday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices