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Brain Driven Brands

Sarah Levinger

Host Sarah Levinger breaks down the advanced neuromarketing secrets of 9-figure brands (like True Classic, Spotify, and Plants vs. Zombies) to show you psychology tactics any e-commerce brand can use today to cut costs, boost sales, and captivate the masses.

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S3 · E144
Thursday · 17 min
Your Customers May Be Using Your Product in Ways You Never Planned
Q-Tips have a weird history. They started as a clever solution for cleaning babies, then became something millions of people use inside their ears, even after doctors warned them not to. This episode gets into how that happened, why earwax became a "problem" people wanted to solve, and what Q-Tips can teach us about consumer behavior. We also get into "desire lines," category psychology, changing consumer habits, and why marketers need to pay attention to how people actually use products. 00:00 Why creative strategy is attracting younger talent 02:00 Why pretending to be a veteran can hurt your career 03:00 The 16-brand test behind a creative strategy 04:00 The strange origin of Q-Tips 05:00 How the original Q-tip was invented 06:00 How advertising turned hygiene into anxiety 07:00 Why earwax became the villain 08:00 When doctors started warning people 10:00 The 92% Q-tip behavior problem 11:00 What "desire lines" reveal about consumers 12:00 How changing lifestyles create new markets 14:00 What working from home means for hygiene brands 15:00 The next enemy marketers might have to solve 16:00 What marketers can learn from natural behavior 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagos LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E143
August 12 · 41 min
The 3-Pillar Framework to Scale Any E-Commerce Brand (Feat. Abir Syed)
div]:bg-bg-000/50 [&_pre>div]:border-0.5 [&_pre>div]:border-border-400 [&_.ignore-pre-bg>div]:bg-transparent [&_.standard-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pl-2 [&_.standard-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,ul,ol,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pr-8 [&_.progressive-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pl-2 [&_.progressive-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,ul,ol,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pr-8"> _*]:min-w-0 gap-3 [&_>_*:last-child]:mb-0 print:block print:[&_>_*_+_*]:mt-3 standard-markdown"> Most eCom marketers are optimizing for the wrong number, and a real CFO explains exactly how to fix that! Our good friend Abir Syed has a rare take on how to scale brands: he's run an eCommerce brand, built a performance marketing agency, and now runs a fractional CFO firm specializing in eCom. In this episode, he breaks down why MER is basically useless, what cohort profit actually tells you, and the three-pillar finance framework that gives marketers and CFOs a shared language for growth. Nate also gets uncomfortably personal about his own brand's cash flow situation. You'll walk away understanding how to set real scaling targets, why over-revving your marketing engine costs you money, how to predict LTV decay as you shift from organic to paid customers, and what questions to actually ask your finance team. 00:00 Why selling out early isn't the flex you think it is01:45 Introducing Abir Syed — the CFO who hates accounting03:30 Why 80% of your business story lives in the finances05:30 The #1 thing to get right before anything else: inventory costing07:00 Why MER is a useless metric (hot take, but hear him out)08:30 How dropping MER led to 130% growth in one year09:15 Cohort profit: Abir's favorite metric explained13:00 Over-revving the engine — the hidden way brands lose money scaling16:30 Incrementality testing vs. the scaling target table18:00 LTV decay: what happens when you go from organic to paid acquisition20:00 Paid customers get stolen by ads — a concept that breaks your brain23:00 The 3 things a CFO and CMO should never fight about24:30 Pillar 2: Investing in the marketing engine (creative, tools, talent)26:00 Pillar 3: Cash flow strategy and payback periods33:30 Expense leverage — making sure every dollar has a job37:00 Nate's regret: not taking big shots during a 2.5-year hot streak38:30 The $100K YouTube deal that looked like a disaster until Q439:30 The one thing to do this week if you're looking at your numbers 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab Guest: Abir Syed _*]:min-w-0 gap-3 [&_>_*:last-child]:mb-0 print:block print:[&_>_*_+_*]:mt-3 standard-markdown"> Twitter: https://x.com/Abir_CFO _*]:min-w-0 gap-3 [&_>_*:last-child]:mb-0 print:block print:[&_>_*_+_*]:mt-3 standard-markdown"> Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abir-syed/ _*]:min-w-0 gap-3 [&_>_*:last-child]:mb-0 print:block print:[&_>_*_+_*]:mt-3 standard-markdown"> Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abir.cfo/ _*]:min-w-0 gap-3 [&_>_*:last-child]:mb-0 print:block print:[&_>_*_+_*]:mt-3 standard-markdown"> Website: https://www.upcounting.com/ _*]:min-w-0 gap-3 [&_>_*:last-child]:mb-0 print:block print:[&_>_*_+_*]:mt-3 standard-markdown"> CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagos LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E142
July 30 · 12 min
The Headline Formula That Works on Every Type of Customer
This headline formula works for every customer...confident or not! This week, Nate breaks down a single copywriting structure he's tested across every brand he's worked with: "Our [product] is [adjective] and [adjective], just like the [customers] who use it." Sounds simple. The psychology behind it pretty complex though! We dig into why this format hits differently, how it flatters the buyer who already sees themselves that way, and motivates the one who wants to. Plus: how to pick the adjectives that actually do the heavy lifting, why customer reviews are the starting point (not the finish line), and how the winning words from a headline test should be dictating your next photo shoot. Timestamps 00:00 Intro — Q4 is closer than you think 01:00 The headline format Nate's used with every brand 02:00 Sara's first reaction to Nate's watch copy 03:00 The full formula breakdown with examples 04:00 Why it works for both confident and insecure buyers 05:00 Picking adjectives that aren't "good," "great," or "best" 06:00 Using Claude + a thesaurus to find rich descriptors 07:30 Flattery as a copy strategy (done right) 08:30 Rugged vs. polished — how headline tests changed their photo shoots 10:00 How winning adjectives should inform your entire funnel 11:00 Homework: write your own versions and test them 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagos LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E140
July 16 · 22 min
7 Pricing Psychology Tricks That Work on Smart Shoppers
Get ready for a good show today...we're going through 7 pricing psychology tricks that work even on savvy consumers! Backed by real studies, from why discounts can make a painkiller feel less effective to a 1-cent pricing hack that made 25% more money on eBay. In this episode, we break down the research behind charm pricing, price anchoring, credit card spending, partitioned pricing, and more — plus real test results from their own brands, including a $777 bundle that outsold a $699 control and a free-shipping test that flipped conversion rates. 00:00 Cold open: we've been sleeping on this topic 00:02 The most impactful lever most brands never test 00:03 The Price Placebo Effect: the energy drink study that messed with their heads 00:06 Why running sales year-round can quietly kill your product's perceived quality 00:07 The Nine-Ending Paradox: why $39 outsold $34 by 24% 00:08 Real case study: the $777 Jack Daniels bundle that beat the control price 00:09 The Phonetic Length Effect: why $999 feels bigger than $1,000 00:11 Personal price anchors and the IKEA "4 cups of coffee" pricing trick 00:12 The Credit Card Premium: cash bidders vs. card bidders in a real auction 00:15 Partitioned Pricing: the penny-plus-shipping trick that made 25% more 00:19 The Endowed Progress Effect: the car wash loyalty card study 00:20 Getting "got": a real-time example of a surprise upgrade offer 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagos LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E139
July 9 · 34 min
9 Marketer Biases That Are Killing Your Meta Ads
We asked 28 marketers what single change in their ad account made the biggest difference — and nobody put creative at the top. What came back instead was account structure, cost caps, better data, and one answer that stopped us cold: doing nothing at all. This episode breaks down the nine cognitive biases quietly running the average media buyer's decisions, from action bias to the expert's curse. We get into why excluding past purchasers dropped one brand's new customer CPA by 40% overnight, why "data-driven" has become a red flag on a resume, and why the last 20% of Meta optimization is worth less than the first 20% of your landing page. If you manage ad accounts, hire people who do, or spend your Sundays reorganizing campaigns you shouldn't be touching, this one's for you. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why excluding past purchasers dropped NCPA by 40% instantly → The two years an account crushed because nobody touched it → Why 85% optimized and understandable beats 100% optimized and muddy → "Data aware, human obsessed" — the hiring filter that should replace "data-driven" → Why measuring by product collection, not by ad, makes diagnosis ten times faster → The case for ignoring your weaknesses entirely and doubling down on strengths ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The no-phone morning walk that fixed our brains 01:20 The Twitter question that broke everyone's assumptions 02:30 A 40% drop in new customer CPA from one mechanical exclusion 03:45 What 28 marketers actually said — and why creative never made the list 05:50 Action bias: why you can't stop touching the account 06:45 "I haven't touched it in three weeks. Why would I?" 08:45 Illusion of control, and whether we should just let Meta cook 11:15 Complexity bias: one CBO campaign, one ad set, two record years 14:30 Metric fixation and the streetlight effect 18:20 Why "data-driven marketer" is a red flag on a resume 21:20 Managing by collection instead of by ad 23:00 The ad account is now a glorified folder system 24:30 Expert's curse: why 70 failed video ads should have been a signal 28:35 There's 100% more to gain outside the ad account than inside it 30:50 The self-serving spotlight — nobody wins an account alone 33:20 "Greed will kill your business faster than anything" 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E138
July 2 · 17 min
Fewer Ingredients = MORE Sales? (The Data On This Is Wild...)
Fewer ingredients. More sales. It sounds backwards — until you see the data. A study across 19 food-and-beverage experiments found people were 21.6% more likely to choose an identical product when it simply listed fewer ingredients. This week we break down why "less is more" is quietly one of the most reliable levers in DTC advertising. We get into how this plays out in real ad accounts — why single-ingredient, single-benefit ads consistently outperform "kitchen sink" messaging, why competing claims cancel each other out in the buyer's brain, and where the rule breaks (spoiler: it doesn't apply to candy). We also map the white space for "clean" CPG, the psychology of un-dyed products, and how to apply ingredient minimalism to supplements, consumables, and honestly whatever you sell. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → The study: why 19 experiments point to fewer listed ingredients = higher conversion → Why simplicity wins at the front of the funnel — and where to hide your other benefits → The one product category where "more ingredients" actually works → The untapped white space in "clean candy" (and why the big brands won't touch it) → How to rewrite a multi-ingredient product into a single-benefit ad that crushes ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Why one specific benefit beats a full ingredient list 01:40 The setup: a tactic that makes people 21.6% more likely to buy 03:30 The quiz — guessing what actually moves the needle 06:00 The answer nobody guesses: fewer ingredients 06:40 The click-rate data (up to 44.2% higher) and why it holds 07:00 "Ingredients you can't pronounce" — how the angle evolved 08:00 The exception: why this rule breaks for candy and treats 08:40 The clean-candy white space no big brand has claimed 10:00 "Simply Skittles" — who's really buying, the kid or the parent? 11:00 Applying it to supplements: why competing claims fight in the brain 12:30 Front-of-funnel simplicity and the acute vs. chronic framing 13:00 The watch ad that sold with just two words 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E137
June 24 · 19 min
A Rubber Pickle Caused a Riot (The Heinz Pickle Strategy)
This week we break down what might be the oldest example of influencer/offer marketing ever! We get into why a thing you find on the ground beats a thing you're handed, how a tiny wearable pickle pin turned one million people 🤯 into walking billboards, and the bigger lesson hiding inside the story: most marketers think marketing is fishing when it's actually hunting. If you feel stuck on Meta, TikTok, or any platform you can't leave, this one's for you. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why a free thing you find on the ground converts better than one you're handed → The "free + shipping lead gen offer" — invented at a fair in 1893 → How to manufacture social proof so good people stop strangers to ask about it → Why "small, lightweight, and odd" beats expensive swag every single time → Marketing is hunting, not fishing — and why that one reframe changes everything ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Building an office inside an RV (and why your habits slide without one) 01:00 The Q-tip shower thought we couldn't let go of 02:00 The oldest influencer marketing story ever — and the Heinz pickles vs. ketchup debate 03:00 27 million people, the first Ferris wheel, and the single best booth on Earth 04:00 How Henry Heinz got stuck in the attic of the smelliest building at the fair 05:00 "If you can't move as a marketer, what do you do?" — the part that hits if you're trapped on Meta 06:00 The cards on the ground: a free-souvenir lead gen offer run by kid micro-influencers 07:00 The reveal — a tiny green rubber pickle pin 08:00 The Red Bull trash-can trick and the psychology of "everyone's doing this" 09:00 Why a golden ticket you find feels better than a pamphlet you're handed 10:00 The hook that turned a pin into a billboard — and the crowd so big police were called 11:00 Free PR, Super Bowl-level reach, and a souvenir that keeps selling for years 12:00 Free consulting: what to give away at the Kentucky Bourbon Festival 13:00 Why "small, lightweight, and odd" wins (whiskey-themed fortune cookies) 14:00 The big one: marketing is hunting, not fishing 16:00 Selling vs. marketing — the difference nobody draws clearly 17:00 The strip-mall sign-twirler analogy that'll change how you build 18:00 Humans are simple — stop optimizing for a passive sales ecosystem 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E136
June 11 · 23 min
Why Meta Only Lets 2-3 Ads Win (No Matter How Many You Launch)
You can launch 100 ads... Meta's still only going to let 2 or 3 of them win. In this episode, we went down a deep rabbit hole on Meta's new Andromeda update to try and figure out why the mechanism keeps starving 97% of your creative. We also dive into what this actually means for media buyers and creative strategists. We get into why dumping more ad volume doesn't create more winners, why the algo is basically playing blackjack and doubling down after seeing a single card, and why "make organic content that works as an ad" just went from a nice-to-have to the entire game. Plus a real-time (slightly too honest) consulting session on whether to cut ad spend and go all-in on organic. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why only 2-3 ads ever carry your entire account — and the poll data that proves it → The 90-minute window quietly deciding which creative lives or dies → Why launching 100 ads at once is the worst thing you can do right now → The "drip feed vs. bulk post" debate — and why we both landed on the same answer → How a streetwear brand blew up with organic videos that secretly end in an ad ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The 2-3 ads carrying your entire account 01:00 We polled 100+ marketers on how many ads actually win 03:00 The bell-curve math that should work... but doesn't 05:00 Inside Meta's Andromeda update: thousands of robots become five 06:00 The 90-minute gate and the "Lattice Zipper" nobody's talking about 07:00 Meta's playing blackjack — and doubling down blind on every hand 08:00 Why launching 100 ads gets 90 of them killed 10:00 Drip feed or bulk post? The answer that changes how you test 13:00 The streetwear brand whose "organic" videos secretly sell 17:00 A free, slightly-too-honest consult on going all-in on organic 22:00 The last chapter of Meta is closing — what the new era means 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E135
June 3 · 28 min
17 Things Brands Get Dead Wrong About Millennials
In this episode we break down 17 things every brand gets wrong about marketing to millennials, from the skinny-jeans myth to why "this will change your life" is the fastest way to lose us. We get into why millennials aren't in their "prime spending years" the way marketers assume, how the sandwich generation actually makes buying decisions, and why peace — not aspiration — is the emotion that's quietly winning in DTC ad creative right now. If you're building a brand that needs to sell to the biggest consumer group in the country for the next 10-15 years, this is the consumer psychology you can't afford to skip. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why "millennials are 25" is costing brands money (the oldest is 45) → The peace angle that's outperforming aspiration in ad copy right now → How to say "we get it" without the disingenuous "we're tired too" → Why nostalgia is a cheat code — but only if you get weirdly specific → The price-transparency move that turns a $350 sticker shock into a yes → Why the ripped-guy supplement ad and the "skincare girly" UGC both backfire ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The accidental "Nate is a co-host" mixup that started it all 01:50 Rule #1: Stop putting millennials in skinny jeans — we're not 25 03:00 The myth of "prime spending years" (we own 3% of the wealth boomers had) 03:50 The most undertaught generation — and how to educate without condescending 05:20 Midlife reinvention, not crisis: the Aston Martin that got returned 07:20 What we actually want isn't the convertible — it's a three-day weekend 08:50 The "make me feel comfortable buying" shift that's working in copy 09:30 "It's okay that you're tired" — and the one line that ruins it 12:00 The built-in millennial BS detector and why "are you struggling with X?" dies on arrival 14:30 The makeup-ad take: stop making the women too hot 16:50 Nostalgia done right — Tamagotchis, Lego Batman, and baked-in references 18:10 The 3 ingredients every real community needs 19:00 Price transparency and the hidden-fee move that closes the tab instantly 20:30 Why Nike keeps chasing Gen Z and losing loyal millennials 21:30 The performative-everything problem (and why nobody wants to be Bryan Johnson) 23:30 Mega-influencers are dead — give us the 8K-follower creator instead 24:30 Rule #17: Your salad is not "the sigh of relief I needed today" 26:50 Why millennials will carry your business for the next decade 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E134
May 27 · 20 min
Reduce Cart Abandonment by 21% with THIS Psychology Tactic
What if the reason customers are abandoning their carts isn't price...it's guilt? New research across 14 million e-commerce sessions reveals that the more pleasure-based items are in a cart, the higher the abandonment rate. (The solution for this is simpler than you'd think.) In this episode, we break down the psychology behind practical vs. hedonic upsells, why cold traffic wants logic before emotion, and how messaging sequence is the most underrated lever in DTC marketing. Nate also just bought an RV and accidentally became the perfect case study for why practical add-ons are a conversion cheat code for e-commerce brands and direct response marketers. Source: https://app.sciencesays.com/p/suggest-practical-items-to-reduce-cart-abandonment 🎉 Join the community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E133
May 6 · 17 min
What Makes a Good Creative Strategist?
In this episode, we get into the three layers of the job (tactical, exterior, interior), why "taste" is the hardest skill to teach, and the in-house vs agency debate that keeps getting it wrong. If you're a creative strategist trying to level up (or a founder trying to hire one) this is the framework we wish we had years ago. Plus: why the apprenticeship model dying is the real reason the industry can't produce great talent anymore. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why you can teach someone to be adequate at creative strategy, but not great → The 3-tier skill stack: tactical for beginners, business for intermediates, psychology for experts → The one skill that separates good copy from copy that actually moves people → Why an intermediate at your brand will out-perform an expert off the street → The real reason 40,000 people signing up for bootcamps still won't fix the talent gap ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The skill nobody can teach (but every great strategist has) 01:30 Sarah cashes in $1,000 of free consulting from Nate 03:30 What an expert creative strategist actually knows (it's not what you think) 05:30 Where intermediates fall short — and the business knowledge gap 06:45 Copy that sounds cool vs. copy that moves people 08:00 How to actually vet creative strategist candidates when you're hiring 10:15 The Connor Rowan question every strategist should be asking themselves 11:30 Why the apprenticeship model dying is killing the industry 14:00 The agency vs in-house debate (and who actually wins) 15:30 The one piece of advice for anyone trying to level up right now 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E132
May 1 · 21 min
The Psychology Trick That Makes Your Price 26% More Persuasive
In this episode we break down the science behind price font size, why hiding your price reads as "embarrassed about the value," and how to use category psychology and price anchoring to justify premium pricing in crowded categories like supplements, meat snacks, and beyond. We also share a live test we're running this week on Meta ads and why most brands are still pricing like it's 2022. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why bigger price fonts can make your product feel 15% cheaper → The Walmart yellow-tag principle hiding in plain sight → Why most DTC brands shrink their prices (and why that's a confidence signal to customers) → How to anchor a $60/month supplement against "another sleepless night at 3 AM" → Why you should be price testing year-round, not once every 18 months → The "staple a teddy bear to a wall for $6M" lesson on category perception ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The mullet, the headphones, and why Sarah is anxious about AI 04:15 The pricing quiz: what makes a price 26% more persuasive? 05:30 The answer nobody guesses right 07:00 Why small price fonts read like you're hiding something 09:00 The product categories where this works (and where it might not) 10:30 The car dealership test that proves the limit 12:15 Why we're still price testing in 2026 (and you should be too) 14:30 The hot tub infomercial trick: $3/day vs. the full price 15:45 Category psychology — why a Maserati and a Corolla both just "drive" 17:30 Be proud of being the most expensive brand in your category 18:30 Purposeful price anchors vs. the Amazon default 19:30 Reframing your category instead of competing inside it Source: https://app.sciencesays.com/p/numbers-in-larger-fonts-are-more-persuasive 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
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April 16 · 19 min
The New Avatar Framework (How to Build Avatars That Scale in 2026)
The customer avatar wasn't invented by a marketer. It was invented by a software developer in 1983 who just wanted to know how someone would click through his app. And yet, we've built entire marketing strategies around it. In this episode, we're gonna question everything we know about avatars so you can too. 😅 We get into why obsessing over WHO your customer is (age, gender, zip code) might actually be the wrong starting point and what we think marketers should be focusing on instead: When → Why → Who. Market to the moment first, understand the emotional driver second, and let the demographic details do the last 5% of the work. From OG watch brand case studies to the Taco Bell drive-through at midnight, this one was just a brain dump of consciousness around one simple question: how should we be building avatars that scale in 2026 and beyond? ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why the customer avatar was designed to understand *behavior*, not predict who would buy → The difference between psychographic avatars and avatars that actually tell you what to do → How the same ad made men and women buy the exact same watch for completely different reasons — and why that's the whole point → The "when" framework: how to map customer wins first, emotions second, and demographics last → Why Taco Bell's "open late" campaign is a masterclass in marketing to the moment, not the person 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E130
April 8 · 29 min
We're Back! 🎉 And We Need to Talk About What's Happening...
We're back from a 3-month break to break down the three "storms" reshaping the industry: Meta's algorithm quietly flipping the paid ads playbook upside down, an AI-fueled brand identity crisis draining trust faster than anyone expected, and something we're calling "AI gentrification" and why it might be the most dangerous shift of all. We're all feeling the pain. But there's a path through and it's not what most people are doing. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why running more ads is making your performance worse → The organic vs. paid reach gap nobody's talking about (99% vs. ~80%) → How AI is destroying the apprenticeship model in DTC → What "conviction" actually looks like in a brand and why almost no one has it → Our contrarian take on what comes next A Renaissance is coming and it's going to be built by the anti-AI crowd! 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
S3 · E129
April 6 · 12 min
We're Taking a Break: What's Next for Brain Driven Brands
After years of weekly conversations unpacking consumer psychology, growth strategy, and how brands actually make decisions, they step back to talk candidly about priorities, growth, and what it looks like when your work evolves faster than the containers around it. They unpack why Brain Driven Brands started, what it became, and why it's time to pause and rethink what comes next. Along the way, they reflect on personal growth, career shifts, and the behind-the-scenes realities of running fast-growing businesses without pretending it's all tidy or linear. You'll also hear: Why "packaging" matters just as much as skill when it comes to brands and personal brands What Tether Insights actually does, and why most research misses the real reasons people buy Nate's work scaling supplement brands, building from zero to one, and treating messaging as a growth lever, not "just copy" Why pauses can be strategic, not stagnant This isn't a goodbye it's just a pause for now. A reminder that growth sometimes means stepping back to build the next version properly.
S3 · E128
Dec 30, 2025 · 22 min
41 Things Every (Senior) Creative Strategist Learns Too Late
In this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah and Nate play a rapid-fire game of Smash or Pass with some of the most overused, misunderstood, and quietly dangerous ideas in modern marketing. We tear into things most teams can't say out loud… and the ones they're afraid to admit: – Why you can't optimize an emotion that was never there – Why most "testing" is really just for the founder's ego – How beautiful creative can hide a serious idea drought – Why iteration can be growth (but usually isn't) – And how creative fatigue is often just leadership fatigue in disguise This isn't a how-to episode. It's a how-are-you-thinking episode. We talk about idea tracking vs. concept hoarding, empathy vs. data, AI vs. taste, speed vs. depth—and why most ads fail because they're answering questions no customer ever asked. If you're running paid media, managing a creative team, or quietly wondering why "doing more" keeps working less… this one will feel uncomfortably familiar in a good way. (Listen for the moments where we disagree. That's where the real insight lives.) Original tweet:https://x.com/SarahLevinger/status/1994428068220273056?s=20 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E127
Dec 23, 2025 · 22 min
Our 2026 Predictions: Here's What You Should Bet Money On
What's going to happen to DTC in 2026 once the AI noise dies down, tariffs stabilize, and brands stop pretending vibes are a strategy? In this holiday episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah and Nate don their ugly sweaters, roast underperforming AI tools, and make real predictions they'd actually put money on. They break down why 2026: Could be a breakout year for disciplined brands Why community is shifting off rented platforms and onto brand-owned ecosystems And why the biggest risk next year isn't effort…it's distraction. You'll hear takes on: • Why brands who "hang out" with customers will win • The rise of on-site social and owned community ecosystems • How AI should actually be used (hint: not for final copy) • Why messaging and copywriting are about to matter more than ever • Dynamic pricing, premium buyers, and letting your best customers spend more • Micro-movies, PDP under-optimization, and where content is heading • Why UGC is evolving into character-driven storytelling • And a hopeful prediction about marketers finally sharing real signal instead of shilling If 2025 felt like learning to ride with training wheels again, this is the conversation about what happens when brands finally stop wobbling, and start moving with intent. 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E126
Dec 22, 2025 · 24 min
16 Prompts to Rule Them All
In this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah and Nate pull back the curtain on the exact AI prompts they actually use to generate high-performing ad ideas—the ones that don't sound robotic, generic, or like every other brand on the internet. After revisiting one of the show's most-downloaded episodes, Sarah shares why most AI-written copy fails, how she rebuilt her prompts from first principles, and what happens when you tell AI which psychological mechanisms to use before it writes anything at all. Together, they live-test these internal prompts on a real brand ad (cowboy boots), exploring how different psychological levers change the creative direction entirely—including: First-principles thinking paired with loss aversion Quiet status signaling and open loops Curiosity-driven hooks and reverse psychology Instead of asking AI to write headlines or scripts, Sarah shows how to use it to generate raw ad concepts—and why the last 10% (the human part) is where all the money is made. This episode is part live teardown, part psychology lesson, and part behind-the-scenes look at how six-figure ads are actually born—not from clever wording, but from properly framed ideas. If you care about better creative, higher prices, and ads that don't feel like ads…this one's for you. Sarah Makes Nate Cry With a Prompt Episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2cVZ3nIE8YUMAlO6Qm0NFN?si=UWSUywsJTmqoz5bkRVgADw 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E125
Dec 18, 2025 · 19 min
Stop Chasing the "Why": Here's How Real People Actually Buy
For years, marketers have been told to "find the why"...which drives Sarah absolutely nuts. 😅 In this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah argues with Nate that this idea of the "one true why" is what broke modern marketing. People don't buy for one reason. They buy for many reasons—depending on mood, timing, environment, identity, stress level, and context. The real driver isn't why someone buys. It's when. Using real-world examples (from whiskey splurges to Starbucks rituals to Rolex buyers at different life stages) this conversation breaks down why over-optimizing for a single "why" leads to brittle brands, shallow segmentation, and wasted creative effort. Instead, Sarah and Nate explore how brands should think in terms of emotional "whens," behavioral states, and consistency over persuasion. If you've ever felt stuck hunting for the perfect insight, this episode reframes the problem entirely…and gives you a more realistic way to build brands, messaging, and creative that actually scale 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
S3 · E124
Dec 16, 2025 · 12 min
This 2013 Discovery Explains Why Your Ads Won't Convert
We unpack a wild 2013 study by economist M. Keith Chen: proof that the language you speak completely rewires how you save, spend, exercise, plan, and even respond to marketing. Germans retire with more wealth, smoke less, and make healthier choices… not because they're more disciplined, but because their grammar collapses the future into the present. English pushes actions into "later." German makes the future feel like right now. On this episode of Brain Driven Brands, we break down how your phrasing might be creating psychological distance without you realizing it ("you will feel better tomorrow") and how a simple tense shift ("your future self thanks you") can snap people into action instantly. We riff on examples, rewrite real campaigns in real time, and even end with a mini-rant about why AI struggles with time itself. If you sell anything to English speakers, this is a masterclass in linguistic persuasion. Tune in. Your future self… thanks you. 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg

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