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Book making as an art form: exploring the boundaries

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Book Making as an Art Form is for those who create, shape and believe in books as a powerful medium. Recorded live with an audience, this love letter to art books explores the people, ideas and craft behind them.

Hosted by book photographer, artist and curator Justina Nekrašaitė.
Season 2 supported by Pictoright, Het Cultuurfonds and generous donors via Voordekunst. Season 1 supported by the Mondriaan Fund.

Book photography and publisher partnerships: thebookphotographer.com

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  • S2 · E6
    September 22 · 33 min

    S2 Ep.6 Reflecting Mirror of Society: nai010 publishers on Publishing and Making Sense of the Noise

    For this episode of Book Making as an Art Form, I speak with Eelco van Welie, director and publisher of nai010 publishers, a Rotterdam-based publishing house behind over 2,200 titles in architecture, art, photography, and design. Under his leadership since 2005, nai010 has become one of the most internationally orientated independent publishers in the Netherlands. This episode is dedicated to Esther Scholten, long-time director of the Best Dutch Book Designs, who passed away this summer. It was originally planned as a conversation with her, and Eelco generously stepped in to carry it forward. In our conversation, Eelco reflects on the merger that created nai010, the moment digitisation nearly convinced the industry that books were finished, and how that led to nai010's guiding idea of "from print run to reach." We talk about why design is never an after-thought, and the challenges facing printers and binders today. Together, we spoke about: How NAi and 010 merged into nai010 Publishing as an integrated ecosystem of books, exhibitions, and conversation The invisible labour behind every book nai010's evolving position on AI, authenticity, and authorship Sit with us for a conversation about integrity, collaboration, and what it means for a publishing house to be a reflecting mirror of the world around it. Discussed books: https://www.nai010.com/en/product/invented-from-copies/ https://www.nai010.com/en/product/interwoven-histories/ https://www.nai010.com/en/product/life-is-strange/ __________ Produced and hosted by Justina Nekrašaitė | ⁠The Book Photographer⁠ Audio productions: ⁠Drexhage Media ⁠| Jasper Drexhage Design: ⁠Thom Niessink⁠ Recorded at Stedelijk Museum Library Communication & promotion: Chana Levy Interns: Julija Sotirovič & Birte Lemmen ❤️ Season 2 is supported by Pictoright, Het Cultuurfonds and many big-hearted individuals via Voordekunst. With particular appreciation to our principal supporters: Ruth Higgins, Luminosity Lab, Eleonoor Jap Sam / Jap Sam Books, Silvia Robertelli, Wilco Art Books Amersfoort, and Marc Gijzen. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S2 · E5
    July 7 · 28 min

    S2 Ep.5 BYOB: Building Book Fairs, Collective Publishing, and Making Space for Others

    For the last episode of Season 2, of Book Making as an Art Form, before the summer break, I speak with Jordi de Vetten, co-founder of Bring Your Own Book, a collective behind one of Amsterdam's independent book fairs. Since 2021, together with Susu Lee, Augustinas Milkus, and Lies Kelder, the collective has organised book fairs and publishing projects that create space for collaboration, experimentation, and emerging makers. In our conversation, Jordi reflects on how Bring Your Own Book began as a student initiative at the Gerrit Rietveld Academie and gradually grew into a recurring event within Amsterdam's publishing community. We talk about lowering the threshold for participation, organising a self-funded collective, and why publishing is not only about producing books, but also about creating the conditions for people to meet, exchange ideas, and share their work. Together, we spoke about: - How Bring Your Own Book grew from a student project into an independent book fair - Creating accessible spaces for emerging bookmakers and publishers - What it takes to organise a self-run collective and recurring public events - Choosing slow, sustainable growth over constant expansion Sit with us for the last conversation before the summer, and enjoy a wonderful discussion on independent publishing, collective organizing, and why sometimes the most important thing you can publish is a space for others to participate. __________ Produced and hosted by Justina Nekrašaitė | ⁠The Book Photographer⁠ Audio productions: ⁠Jasper Drexhage | Drexhage Media ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Design: ⁠Thom Niessink⁠ Recorded at Stedelijk Museum Library Communication & promotion: Chana Levy Intern: Chiara Tamborrino ❤️ Season 2 is supported by Pictoright, Het Cultuurfonds and many big-hearted individuals via Voordekunst. With particular appreciation to our principal supporters: Ruth Higgins, Luminosity Lab, Eleonoor Jap Sam / Jap Sam Books, Silvia Robertelli, Wilco Art Books Amersfoort, and Marc Gijzen. _____________________________________________________ Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.

  • S2 · E1
    June 2 · 30 min

    S2 Ep.4 Jeremy Jansen: Found Images, Editing, and the Rhythm of Book Design

    In this episode of Book Making as an Art Form, I speak with Jeremy Jansen, a graphic designer based in Haarlem working across book design, exhibition design, and visual identities for cultural institutions. Alongside his design practice, Jeremy has taught at ArtEZ for over a decade, focusing on image authorship and storytelling through found materials. His work often moves between designing and editing, building new narratives from archives, fragments, and existing imagery. In 2023, he also co-founded Blind Finch Books, a publishing house dedicated to photography-related projects. In our conversation, Jeremy reflects on finding his own way into books without growing up surrounded by them, how film editing continues to shape his design process, and why intuition often plays a central role in making books. Together, we spoke about: Building concepts from found materials and existing archives How rhythm, sequencing, and editing influence book design Teaching image authorship and storytelling at ArtEZ Google-scanned library books and unexpected beginnings in publishing Why books do not need to feel perfect to feel alive Tune in now for a conversation on intuition, image-making, teaching, and constructing books through rhythm, fragments, and storytelling. __________ Produced and hosted by Justina Nekrašaitė | ⁠The Book Photographer⁠ Audio productions: ⁠Drexhage Media ⁠| Jasper Drexhage Design: ⁠Thom Niessink⁠ Recorded at Stedelijk Museum Library Communication & promotion: Chana Levy ❤️ Season 2 is supported by Pictoright, Het Cultuurfonds and many big-hearted individuals via Voordekunst. With particular appreciation to our principal supporters: Ruth Higgins, Luminosity Lab, Eleonoor Jap Sam / Jap Sam Books, Silvia Robertelli, Wilco Art Books Amersfoort, and Marc Gijzen. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S2 · E3
    May 5 · 26 min

    S2 Ep.3 Jochem Öfner: Troublemaking, Printing, and the Politics of the Page

    In this episode of Book Making as an Art Form, I speak with Jochem Öfner, Director of Printing at Drukkerij Raddraaier, an Amsterdam-based printing house with roots in activist print culture. Founded in the late 1970s during the Dutch squatting movement, Drukkerij Raddraaier emerged from a network of independent print shops producing books, posters, pamphlets, and political materials when mainstream printers would not. In our conversation, Jochem reflects on the radical history of the press, his own journey from wanting to “make the revolution” in Central America to working in print, and how the politics of publishing remain embedded in the act of printing itself. Together, we spoke about: The activist roots of Drukkerij Raddraaier Freedom of the press before and after the Internet The environmental realities of print and digital publishing Why sustainability in printing is more complex than it seems The importance of keeping independent print production alive Tune in now for a conversation on activism, sustainability, and the politics of print. __________ Produced and hosted by Justina Nekrašaitė | ⁠The Book Photographer⁠ Audio productions: ⁠Drexhage Media ⁠| Jasper Drexhage Design: ⁠Thom Niessink⁠ Recorded at Stedelijk Museum Library Communication & promotion: Chana Levy ❤️ Season 2 is supported by Pictoright, Het Cultuurfonds, and many big-hearted individuals via Voordekunst. With particular appreciation to our principal supporters: Ruth Higgins, Luminosity Lab, Eleonoor Jap Sam / Jap Sam Books, Silvia Robertelli, Wilco Art Books Amersfoort, and Marc Gijzen. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S2 · E2
    April 14 · 29 min

    S2 Ep.2 ArtEZ Press: Publishing Between Education and the World

    “The first moment you actually hold it in your hands… the smell of the printer ink comes out, and that’s a unique moment in the history of an object coming to life. When it’s first being opened, it reveals itself.” In this episode of Book Making as an Art Form, I speak with Minke Vos, publisher of ArtEZ Press at ArtEZ University of the Arts. For over 20 years, Minke has been working within the institute to develop publications where design and content strengthen one another. Alongside ArtEZ Press, she is also involved in APRIA, a platform for artistic research across text, sound, image, and experimental formats. In our conversation, Minke reflects on her long-standing role within the institution, the importance of sharing knowledge beyond its walls, and the unique position of publishing between education and the wider public. We also talk about the book as a sensory object, the value of slowness in the process, and how experimentation plays a role in shaping new forms of publishing. Together, we spoke about: Publishing as a bridge between education and the public Sharing knowledge from within the institute with the world The book as a sensory and performative object Tune in now to the conversation on publishing, research, and the life of a book. __________ Produced and hosted by Justina Nekrašaitė | ⁠The Book Photographer⁠ Audio productions: ⁠Drexhage Media ⁠| Jasper Drexhage Design: ⁠Thom Niessink⁠ Recorded at Stedelijk Museum Library Communication & promotion: Chana Levy ❤️ Season 2 is supported by Pictoright, Het Cultuurfonds and many big-hearted individuals via Voordekunst. With particular appreciation to our principal supporters: Ruth Higgins, Luminosity Lab, Eleonoor Jap Sam / Jap Sam Books, Silvia Robertelli, Wilco Art Books Amersfoort, and Marc Gijzen. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S2 · E1
    March 18 · 29 min

    S2 Ep.1 Remco van Bladel: Books, Music, and the Systems That Shape Cultural Memory

    Welcome back to the podcast! In this episode, opening season 2 of Book Making as an Art Form, I speak with graphic designer and publisher Remco van Bladel about books, systems, and cultural memory. From growing up around a record shop and punk music, to co-founding Onomatopee and Archival Consciousness, Remco reflects on collaboration, the relationship between music and typography, and how publishing can become a tool for archiving knowledge. The conversation explores how books, archives, and digital systems shape the way culture is produced, organised, and remembered. Together, we spoke about: - Growing up around punk music, record sleeves, and drawing - Bookmaking as collaboration, just like playing in a band - Translating musical rhythm into typography and design systems - Building Archival Consciousness and new tools for cultural archives - Rethinking the book as both publication and archive Listen now to tune into the discussion about the significance of books outlasting people! __________ Produced and hosted by Justina Nekrašaitė | ⁠The Book Photographer⁠ Audio productions: ⁠Drexhage Media ⁠| Jasper Drexhage Design: ⁠Thom Niessink⁠ Recorded at Stedelijk Museum Library Communication & promotion: Chana Levy ❤️ Season 2 is supported by Pictoright, Het Cultuurfonds and many big-hearted individuals via Voordekunst. With particular appreciation to our principal supporters: Ruth Higgins, Luminosity Lab, Eleonoor Jap Sam / Jap Sam Books, Silvia Robertelli, Wilco Art Books Amersfoort, and Marc Gijzen. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E9
    Dec 29, 2025 · 31 min

    S1 Ep. 9 Tradition and sabotage: Michaël Snitker on rules, intuition, and book design

    In this last episode of Season 1 of Book Making as an Art Form: exploring the boundaries, I sit down with Michaël Snitker, Amsterdam-based graphic designer working across books, visual identities, and exhibitions for cultural institutions. Michaël’s practice blends clarity and complexity, modernist traditions and experimentation. Besides commissioned work, he initiates research projects and designs his own publications, often rooted in poetry and language. In our conversation, we explore: Growing up surrounded by art and poetry Fluxus as a lasting and intuitive influence Working across four pillars Trust, collaboration, and play as foundations of creative practice Inspired by the idea of tradition and sabotage, this episode reflects on bookmaking as a practice that balances rules with intuition, precision with imperfection, and legacy with experimentation. Produced by Justina Nekrašaitė | The Book Photographer Audio productions: Drexhage Media | Jasper Drexhage Design: Thom Niessink Recorded at Huis van het Boek Supported by Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles, Luminosity Lab, Marc Gijzen, n.k.g. publications, Jeremy Jansen, Jesse Presse, Jap Sam Books, Michaël Snitker _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E8
    Dec 9, 2025 · 24 min

    S1 Ep. 8 The emotional life of a book with Luminosity Lab

    In this episode of Book making as an art form: exploring the boundaries, I sit down with Caleb Cain Marcus, creative director of Luminosity Lab, a Brooklyn-based design studio. He is known for making books that are not just objects but experiences. Shaped by a childhood in the mountains of Colorado and a background in poetry, photography, and printing, Caleb shares his reflections on: Looking and curiosity as a lifelong practice Moving from poetry and photography into book design Why does he produce his books in Europe Cultural support, budgets, and the ecosystems around bookmaking It’s a joyful conversation about attention, emotion, and the power of books. Produced by Justina Nekrašaitė | The Book Photographer Audio productions: Drexhage Media | Jasper Drexhage Design: Thom Niessink Recorded at Huis van het Boek Supported by Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles, Luminosity Lab, Marc Gijzen, nkg publications, Jeremy Jansen, Jesse Presse, Eleonoor Jap Sam Croudfunding now: https://www.voordekunst.nl/projecten/20394-podcast-book-making-as-an-art-form

  • S1 · E7
    Nov 11, 2025 · 24 min

    S1 Ep. 7 Publishing with care: Eleonoor Jap Sam on books as slow objects

    In this episode of Book Making as an Art Form: Exploring the Boundaries, I sit down with Eleonoor Jap Sam, founder of Jap Sam Books a publishing house where books are treated as slow, living objects. With over two decades of experience, Eleonoor shares her reflections on: • Curiosity as the heart of being • The invisible care behind every book • Sustainability, budgets, and creative freedom • Balancing leadership, motherhood, and legacy It's a gentle conversation about what it means to publish with care, stay generous in the process, and see each book as a carrier of knowledge, ideas, and inspiration. Produced by Justina Nekrašaitė | The Book Photographer Audio productions: Drexhage Media | Jasper Drexhage Design: Thom Niessink Recorded at Huis van het Boek Supported by Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles, Luminosity Lab, Marc Gijzen, nkg publications, Jeremy Jansen, Jesse Presse, Eleonoor Jap Sam _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E6
    Oct 14, 2025 · 23 min

    S1 Ep. 6 Caring for the microcosmos: Jesse Presse on the art of book distribution

    In this new chapter of Book Making as an Art Form: exploring the boundaries, we sit down with Jesse Muller, founder of Jesse Presse, to explore the invisible care that keeps the art book world alive. Jesse is a distributor, editor, and writer who connects independent publishers with readers, bookshops, and museums across the Netherlands and Belgium. With nearly 20 years of experience, she reflects on the in-between space of art and entrepreneurship. This episode is a gentle deep dive into: The beginning of Jesse Presse The invisible labor of book distribution Building artistic ecosystems through care and collaboration The dance between artistic vision and commercial reality New adventures and a new publishing house in town Whether you work with books, live surrounded by them, or simply love the quiet power of printed matter, this episode offers a thoughtful pause and a new way to see the life of a book. This podcast is made possible with the generous support of the Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Marc Gijzen, Nina Glockner, Luminosity Lab and Jesse Presse. Produced by Justina Nekrasaite l The Book Photographer Audio productions by Drexhage Media |Jasper Drexhage Graphic design Thom Niessink Recorded at Huis van het Boek _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E5
    Jul 17, 2025 · 30 min

    S1 Ep. 5 Holding space, building bridges: Bruno Devos on the art of publishing

    In this season finale, before the summer break of Book Making as an Art Form, we sit down with Bruno Devos. Bruno is publisher, cultural diplomat, and founder of Hopper & Fuchs to explore the poetic and practical realities of independent publishing. With over 30 years of experience, Bruno shares his journey from working in a print shop to traveling the world with a suitcase full of artist books. This episode is a generous deep dive into: Why is a book a home The invisible labour of bookmaking The blurred lines between publishing, curating, and care How fashion and bookmaking unexpectedly overlap The fragility (and urgency) of the art book ecosystem Whether you're a maker, a reader, or simply curious about the lives of books beyond the page, this episode is worth listening to. This podcast is made possible with the generous support of the Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Marc Gijzen, and Luminosity Lab. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E4
    Jun 18, 2025 · 27 min

    S1 Ep. 4 From Thursdays to churches: Team Thursday on space, typography, and togetherness

    In this warm and generous conversation, we meet the duo behind Team Thursday: Loes van Esch and Simone Trum. Their collaborative studio in Rotterdam has shaped many precise typographic identities and books in the cultural field. From shared kitchen table experiments to moving into a church with fellow creatives, Loes and Simone reflect on: How their friendship evolved into a 12-year-long design partnership; The joys and frictions of working as a duo - and why 'just keep going' became a guiding principle; Their views on lingering, and why sometimes it’s more efficient not to be efficient; And how typography, for them, is not just a tool but part of the book’s soul. Whether you’re a student, designer, teacher, or book enthusiast, this episode is a generous insight into the layered world of collaborative graphic design. This recording is made possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, and Luminosity Lab. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E3
    May 14, 2025 · 27 min

    S1 Ep. 3 Invisible hands, visible impact: the craft of lithography with Marc Gijzen

    In this rich and intimate conversation, we sit down with lithographer Marc Gijzen, whose invisible hand has shaped many beautiful photography and art books in the Netherlands and worldwide. From the smell of ink to the subtle art of collaboration, Marc shares: How exposure to visual culture in his childhood opened the way for his lifetime profession; He explains how essential teamwork is in bookmaking; And shares the story of printing full-color on black paper - a dream project come true. Whether you're a designer, photographer, or book lover, this episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at what makes printed images sing. This recording is possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV and Luminosity Lab. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E2
    Apr 16, 2025 · 27 min

    S1 Ep. 2 Reimagining the bookshop with Jhen Chen of Limestone Books

    In this episode of Book Making as an Art Form, I sit down with Jhen Chen, director of Limestone Books - a small but visionary art bookshop in Maastricht that’s redefining what publishing spaces can be. We explore how Limestone began as an idea among friends and grew into a community-led hub that resists traditional publishing norms. Jhen shares: Limestone Books: from concept to community hub Radical experimentation in art publishing: what does It really mean? The power of local: why Limestone Books prints locally The art of running a bookshop: balancing business and community Listen now and forward it to someone who believes books can change the world. Discover Limestone Books Website: https://limestonebooks.org/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/limestone_books_maas/ Produced by: The Book Photographer, Justina Nekrasaite www.thebookphotographer.com This recording is possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Susan Michlovitz, Jeremy Jansen and Huis van het boek. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

  • S1 · E1
    Mar 11, 2025 · 29 min

    S1 Ep. 1 Nina Glockner. Beyond boundaries: publishing as art, collaboration, and transformation

    We are kicking things off with the amazing Nina Glockner - an artist, educator, publisher, and somatic practitioner based in Amsterdam. Nina’s work is all about performative and collaborative processes, and in 2015, she founded n.k.g. publications, a platform that treats books as "space-time-containers." Instead of just documenting art, her publications unfold hidden and ephemeral aspects of creative work, making each book an experience of its own. We dive into her unique approach to publishing, the magic of collaboration, and the role of books in capturing and reinterpreting moments in time. And to wrap it all up, we ended with a beautiful quote from The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction by Ursula K. Le Guin. Join us for this deep (and fun!) conversation about bookmaking beyond the pages. Sneak peek into Nina's exciting upcoming projects: Binnenzwemmer/ Innerswimmer by photographer Paulien Barbas, Pink Days and Blue Νights (The Dancers) by artist Eleni Kamma, URGENT - Residency for Artworks by artist L. Puska Herzens gebruikt by jewlery artist Benedikt Fischer & artist Rudy de Gruyl. Explore Nina’s work: Website: www.ninaglockner.de Instagram: @nkg_publications n.k.g. publications: www.ninaglockner.de/nkg_publications Host: The Book Photographer, Justina Nekrasaite www.thebookphotographer.com This recording is possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Susan Michlovitz and Huis van het boek. _____________________________________________________ ⁠Explore book photography and publisher partnerships with your host, Justina Nekrašaitė.⁠

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