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Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander

“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time. 

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  • S5 · E2
    Today · 1 hr 1 min

    Tony Thomann

    Send us Fan Mail Ever wonder what a true visionary in arts administration leads like? Enter our guest Tony Thomann - executive director of the Minnesota Youth Symphonies. Truly dedicated to the cause of young orchestral musicians in every way, Tony is the ultimate team builder and steady hand on a tiller. Ever wonder what meaningless banter, fruitless band boozlers and wandering questions sound like? Enter Phil, Peter and Chris. Mustering every ounce of experience gained over the last four seasons, our hosts derail and blame each other at every turn. Commuter, we appreciate your support and occasional critique, even if we can’t really seem to respond adequately. It’s mostly Peter’s fault. Learn More About Tony and the Minnesota Youth Symphonies Here: https://www.mnyouthsymphonies.org/ REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few spots remain!! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS (closes Sept 15) https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC (ends Sept 15) MAX JOY - ERIKA SVANOE https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/ Support the show

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  • S5 · E1
    August 29 · 1 hr 11 min

    Jennifer Hawkinson

    Send us Fan Mail What do you get when you put Chris, Phil, Peter, and Dr. Jennifer Hawkinson in the same room? A conversation full of laughter, honest stories, teaching wisdom, and at least a few moments where you'll find yourself thinking, "Yep... that's exactly what it's like to be a music teacher." In this episode of Beyond Artless, we're joined by Dr. Jennifer Hawkinson, Associate Professor of Music Education and Director of the Symphonic Band at Concordia College. Jennifer has spent her career shaping musicians and mentoring future educators, but what makes this conversation so special isn't just her résumé—it's her ability to blend excellence with humility, high expectations with genuine kindness, and just enough humor to remind us that no rehearsal is ever completely under control. From her years teaching in South Dakota public schools to preparing tomorrow's band directors at Concordia, Jennifer shares stories that are equal parts inspiring and wonderfully relatable. She reminds us that the best teachers don't have all the answers—they simply keep showing up, keep learning, and occasionally laugh at the chaos along the way. What you'll hear in this episode: How Jennifer's journey led her from the school band room to the college classroom The mentors who shaped her—and why every great teacher stands on someone else's shoulders What future music educators really need to know before their first day on the podium Building rehearsal environments where students feel challenged, valued, and empowered Why relationships will always outlast repertoire The little moments that remind us why we chose this profession in the first place Of course, it wouldn't be Beyond Artless without a healthy dose of laughter. Chris, Phil, and Peter swap stories with Jennifer about the wonderfully unpredictable life of music educators—those rehearsals that somehow survive flattened trumpets, questionable rhythms, and the occasional "creative interpretation" of the conductor's instructions. Whether you're a veteran teacher, a future music educator, or someone who simply appreciates the people who make school music programs come alive, this episode feels like sitting around the table with friends who just happen to care deeply about making music—and making people better through it. Jennifer's passion is contagious, her perspective is refreshing, and her heart for students shines through every story she tells. Join us for a conversation filled with wisdom, warmth, a few laughs, and a reminder that while music may not solve every problem, it certainly makes the journey a whole lot better. That's what happens Beyond Artless. SHOW CREDITS: WALTON Coronation March, “Crown Imperial” - "The President's Own" United States Marine Band Performed on April 2, 2023, at Northern Virginia Community College's Rachel M. Schlesinger Concert Hall and Arts Center in Alexandria, Va., as part of a concert titled "Sacred Hymns, Songs, and Sounds." William Walton's Coronation March, “Crown Imperial” transcribed by William Duthoit Conducted by First Lieutenant Darren Lin Program and notes: https://www.marineband.marines.mil/Po... REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few spots remain!! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC until September 15 MAX JOY - ERIKA SVANOE https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/ THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS Grand Tours Concordia College Heid Music Interested in sponsoring with us? Learn more here! Support the show

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  • August 22 · 3 min

    Season 5 Teaser

    Send us Fan Mail Welcome Back, Commuters! Welcome back to Season 5 of Beyond ArtLess! After four seasons, more than 35,000 downloads, and an impressive lack of professional growth on the part of your hosts, we're thrilled to have you along for another ride. This season, The Empire Strikes a Budget, we're once again talking with fascinating people about music, education, creativity, and whatever else manages to derail the conversation. Expect surprise guests, questionable questions, Band Buzzlers, Band Boozlers, and the occasional moment of actual insight. Thanks for listening, laughing, and continuing to commute with us. We’re glad you’re back. Same podcast. Same idiots. New season. REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few Jazz spots remain!! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC: MAX JOY - ERIKA SVANOE https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/ Support the show

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  • S4 · E39
    May 27 · 1 hr 11 min

    Gene Pokorny

    Send us Fan Mail In the Season 4 finale of Beyond ArtLess, we are joined by legendary Chicago Symphony Orchestra tubist Gene Pokorny for a conversation that moves seamlessly from orchestral artistry to teamwork, teaching, and steam locomotives. With Peter away caring for family, special guest co-host Paul Kile joins Chris and Phil for a finale episode that is somehow thoughtful, hilarious, and significantly more organized than usual. In This Episode: Gene reflects on life inside the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and why he still “pinches himself” walking onto the stage Stories about working with conductors including Riccardo Muti and Klaus Mäkelä The arrival of new principal trombonist Tim Higgins and how personnel changes reshape an orchestra Gene’s philosophy on expressive playing, rubato, and storytelling in music Why so many young brass players focus on technique before expression Lessons learned from legendary teachers including Roger Bobo, Tommy Johnson, and Arnold Jacobs The origins of the Pokorny Seminar and the importance of teamwork in music education Steam locomotives, railroad leadership, and what musicians can learn from the Union Pacific “Big Boy” Why Mahler ultimately beats Shostakovich… at least today Favorite Moments: “You’ve got 52 weeks. I’ve got four measures.” “There’s nothing extraordinarily special about what we’re doing. We just happen to be lucky enough to put together something greater than the sum of the parts.” “We still have to worry about long tones. Jesus.” Also in This Episode: Chris shares his recent trip to hear the Chicago Symphony Orchestra perform Saint-Saëns’ “Organ Symphony” Festival prep chaos: 4,188 students, endless pizza, and waterpark logistics Jury duty panic during concert season The return of the classic “make fun of Peter” segment Details about the new (currently FREE) composition by Erika Svanoe called "Max Joy" and the story behind the premiere and dedication. Thank you, commuters, for riding along with us through another season of Beyond ArtLess. See you in Season 5. Learn More: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Pokorny Low Brass Seminar Credits: Skirmish and Dance · Jeffrey Reynolds Big Boy Album ℗ 2005 Summit Records Released on: 2001-02-01. https://youtu.be/1uSzYq-08Iw?si=XvAfQfuoWTkfCHiF Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot OFFICIAL. As seen in 2014's COSMOS: A SpaceTime Odyssey Written by Ann Druyan and Steven Soter Cosmos Studios, Inc., Copyright © 2013 Passage written by Carl Sagan for the book Pale Blue Dot published by Random House, Copyright ©1994 Democritus Properties, LLChttps://youtu.be/GO5FwsblpT8?si=iMpXuImhgPO9BPD1 Mahler: Symphony No. 2 "Resurrection": V. Finale. Im Tempo des Scherzos Mahler: Symphony No. 2 "Resurrection": V. Finale. Im Tempo des Scherzos · Carol Neblett · Marilyn Horne · Claudio Abbado · Chicago Symphony Orchestra · Chicago Symphony Chorus Claudio Abbado & Chicago Symphony Orchestra ℗ 1977 Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin Released on: 2017-04-21 https://youtu.be/rJWxpR8liF0?si=FMqBfKdVTXYfKDTz Gershwin: An American in Paris (Revised F. Campbell-Watson) · James Levine · Chicago Symphony Orchestra The World's Greatest Orchestras - Chicago Symphony Orchestra ℗ 1993 Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin Released on: 2021-01-09 https://youtu.be/nIw2WJEfZxo?si=qkuxYAcqJq_IzvYy Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78 "Organ" (Chicago Symphony Orchestra) Camille Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78 "Organ"Nikolaj Szeps-Znaider, Conductor Cameron Carpenter, Organ Live at Orchestra Hall, December 2022 https://youtu.be/5xrHCJbyG2M?si=CL03JHIsb0KhXRqQ Partita in A minor for Flute Alone BMV 1013 Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises Partita in A minor for Flute Alone BMV 1013 · Gene Pokorny Tuba Tracks ℗ 2005 Summit Records Released on: 1995-04-01 https://youtu.be/kQcdD33NXfw?si=cLjI8jGxwXeYxrz7 REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAS https://forms.gle/ZswvHWEZK3HBozXZ7 FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 Max Joy - Erika Svanoe https://www.erikasvanoe.com/btn.html Support the show

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  • S4 · E38
    May 17 · 1 hr 26 min

    Tony Marinello III

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode, we journey through the eclectic world of conducting, education, and cultural authenticity — with a side of humor and some self-deprecating confessions. Our guest, Dr. Anthony Marinello III, is an exemplary musician and educator (and self-professed Commuter) who shares insights on everything from embracing the non-linear career path to the importance of humility, authenticity, and even a mid-career crisis or two. Get your pencils out as Tony shares a treasure trove of great ideas, quotes, books, podcasts, composers and authors to check out. Peter, Chris, and Phil are still trying to spell their own names. Key Takeaways: Embracing the chaos: Careers don’t follow a straight line—thank goodness! Our guest’s journey from dentistry to music illustrates how the "multiverse" of possibilities keeps life interesting. The power of humility and curiosity: Approach students and colleagues with respect and a willingness to learn. Be flexible enough to change your mind and your sound. Authenticity over stereotype: True artistry comes from bringing genuine heart and cultural humility, not just imitating or appropriating. The importance of mentorship and identity: From LSU to Virginia Tech, mentors shape us immensely, emphasizing that relationships and feedback are the real game-changers. The value of risk-taking: Sometimes, the best moments happen when you decide to "go for it" despite fears and uncertainties—like risking a rehearsal or an emotional risk on stage. Cultivating community: Whether rehearsing socially or on stage, building trust and respect within groups makes the magic happen—and even a broken window can be a teaching moment. The influence of podcasts and psychology: Exploring the human element—feelings, shared stories, and vulnerability—can elevate ensemble performance and leadership. The importance of "telling your truth": Show up, do the work, be authentic, and stay flexible in your creative and professional pursuits. Resources: Learn more about Tony here Illinois State University Work of Adam Grant – Rethink, grow, and challenge your assumptions Mark Brackett’s Emotional Intelligence – Cultivating emotional literacy in leadership Ira Glass’s Creative Process – The patience, craft, and time needed to develop mastery REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few spots remain https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 CONSIDER BECOMING A SUBSCRIBER: Support the show

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  • S4 · E37
    May 9 · 1 hr 2 min

    David Scalise

    Send us Fan Mail There is no greater a stumble than an Ostrander introduction of a guest. No helping hands from Gleason or Haberman, either. Our guest is stranded on an island of poorly phrased questions, out of touch follow-ups and frequent misdirects. Our guest David Scalise follows a trend of well-informed, star powered teachers. He handles our poor hosting with ease and a great laugh. He is part of the fabulous Apple Valley music program in Minnesota. David leads the award winning Apple Valley R&B band, and many other groups at the high school. He has had a wide ranging successful teaching career and is the model for meeting students where they are. Learn more about David & the Apple Valley Program here: https://www.youtube.com/@davidscalise8985 https://www.avrb.band/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17AopbAxLR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG9xAxaMae8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMd3iM-_h8 There are a million of these videos - all great. REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few Jazz spots remain!! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 HELP SUPPORT THIS BELOW AVERAGE PODCAST HERE: Support the show

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  • S4 · E36
    May 2 · 59 min

    Alicia Neal

    Send us Fan Mail Get ready for an insightful and humor-packed conversation with Dr. Alicia Neal—a leader whose passion for music education, community building, and authentic connection shines through every story. Whether you're a seasoned educator or just a band nerd at heart, this episode offers valuable lessons on fundamentals, inclusion, and the joy of teaching music. Resources: Alicia Neal - Biography The Hill We Climb: LGBTQ+ Band and Belonging by Rob Taylor & Eric Lung Alan McMurray's profile Howard Hughes - Biography University of Colorado Boulder Eastern Illinois University Bands Credits: Omar Thomas Of Our New Day Begun - "The President's Own" United States Marine Band Performed on February, 26, 2023, at Northern Virginia Community College's Rachel M. Schlesinger Concert Hall and Arts Center in Alexandria, Va. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=uumlUtrAimk&list=RDuumlUtrAimk&start_radio=1 "The Lonely Goatherd" scene from Rodgers & Hammerstein's The Sound of Music (1965). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmmOJx_Hxto Wycliffe Gordon Trombone Solos Jazz in Marciac 2009 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBTPkNd3D8w REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - FOUR JAZZ SPOTS REMAINING https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 Support the show

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  • S4 · E35
    April 26 · 1 hr 17 min

    Nobuyoshi Yasuda

    Send us Fan Mail It’s only fitting that our longest episode is dedicated to our beloved friend, mentor, and colleague, Nobuyoshi Yasuda. We spend time exploring his childhood in Japan, his journey to UW–Eau Claire, Peter’s unrelenting bowing, the infamous crashing trombone dinner story, Moomers, and, of course, his upcoming retirement and return to Japan. Join us as we say goodbye to a dear friend—and if you don’t yet know Nobu, you’re in for a treat. Learn more about Nobu here: https://www.uwec.edu/profiles/yasudan Get ticket's to Nobu's final concert with the Chippewa Valley Symphony here: https://www.pablocenter.org/events/detail/cvso-maestros-finale-conductor-nobuyoshi-yasudas-farewell-concert-964236 REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 Support the show

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  • S4 · E34
    April 19 · 1 hr

    Malcolm Burke

    Send us Fan Mail What does it take to cultivate musical excellence, build real connections with students, and navigate the unpredictability of teaching? Malcolm Burke brings a compelling mix of artistry, humility, and humor. From middle school cello to collegiate conducting, Malcolm’s journey highlights patience, adaptability, and the power of listening. He shares practical insights on motivating students without falling into toxic competition, balancing structure with creativity, and creating meaningful musical experiences at every level. Along the way, we explore how small, human moments shape lasting impact, the influence of mentors and how to carry their lessons forward, and what it looks like to conduct with clarity, emotion, and flexibility while connecting with students from beginners to advanced performers. This conversation goes beyond music, offering a grounded look at teaching, growth, and embracing the inevitable chaos along the way. Thoughtful, honest, and often funny, it’s a reminder that some of the best lessons come from the messiest moments. Support the show

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  • S4 · E33
    April 11 · 1 hr 9 min

    Sam Quinones

    Send us Fan Mail After 149 episodes of spirited banter, we finally did the unthinkable—we made an episode without it. Don’t get used to it, though. Odds are the pendulum swings back soon and we overcorrect with an episode that’s all banter… and a mildly concerned guest. Fortunately, that’s not the case this week. Sam Quinones is a Los Angeles-based journalist and acclaimed author known for his narrative non-fiction work on drug trafficking and immigration. A former L.A. Times reporter, he gained prominence for his in-depth reporting on the U.S. opioid epidemic, most notably in Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiate Epidemic and The Least of Us. Today, he joins us to talk about his newest book, Perfect Tuba—a narrative nonfiction exploration of band culture, where discipline, collaboration, and long-term commitment offer a powerful counterpoint to a world chasing instant gratification. Through stories of dedicated musicians, iconic instruments, and tight-knit communities, the book reframes the tuba as more than an instrument—it’s a metaphor for purpose, perseverance, and the kind of fulfillment that comes from doing hard things well, together. GET THE BOOK HERE: THE PERFECT TUBA: Forging Fulfillment from the Bass Horn, Band, and Hard Work LEARN MORE ABOUT SAM AND SUBSCRIBE TO HIS NEWSLETTER HERE: http://www.samquinones.com samquinones.substack.com REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 Support the show

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  • S4 · E32
    April 4 · 1 hr 5 min

    Michael Kamphuis

    Send us Fan Mail This episode features Mike Kamphuis, whose remarkable path to leadership in Conn-Selmer is anything but conventional. From working sprint-car pit crews and running a DJ business to announcing early ultimate fighting events and competing at a high level in bowling, Mike shares how an unusual series of opportunities shaped the mindset that now drives his work in music education. What makes the conversation compelling is how those seemingly unrelated experiences connect through one consistent theme: a willingness to say yes, figure things out, and build solutions where none yet exist. That same mindset later fueled his work developing new systems inside Conn-Selmer—from modernizing parts access and product support to helping create educational tools and services that directly support teachers and school music programs across the country. The episode also explores how Mike’s original goal of becoming a band director evolved into a broader mission of serving music educators at scale. Through stories about mentorship, industry change, advocacy, and the future of school music, the conversation becomes a larger reflection on leadership, adaptability, and why innovation in education often begins with listening first and acting second. Learn More About Michael Here: https://artists.ludwig-drums.com/en-us/education/clinician/profile/michael-kamphuis https://connselmer.com/news/changes-to-leadership Watch Tim Gleason Dance Here: https://youtu.be/PH8dv-yDT1U?si=eBA4YlLvKKrC2Und Credits: Why There Is No Trumpet Christmas - YouTube Video https://youtu.be/kfodl1g_ibY?si=mJiXNP6ZF9TbqETu REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 Support the show

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  • S4 · E31
    March 28 · 1 hr 3 min

    Mary Claxton

    Send us Fan Mail Everything about Chris, Phil and Peter screams antiquated (anti-modern). The jokes, the tech struggles, the slow motion wheezing when attempting to sit or stand. However, our guest is the living definition of the modern music educator and performer. Mary Claxton is the director of Teaching and Learning at Music Will - the largest non-profit music program in the United States. Hundreds educators are using their forward thinking curriculum that champions Modern Band. Mary shares with us about gigging on Motown music at night and truly creative classroom experiences by day. And more information than you ever thought possible about the ukulele. Learn More Here: https://musicwill.org/the-team/mary-claxton/ https://www.theburroughssoul.com/ https://www.instagram.com/claxtogram/?hl=en https://nafme.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Mary-Claxton-Headshot-Bio-1.pdf https://hub.yamaha.com/music-educators/40-under-40/2026/claxton-mary/ https://www.instagram.com/trashcattunes/?hl=en REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education Support the show

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  • S4 · E30
    March 22 · 1 hr 1 min

    Isaac McMahon

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Beyond Artless, we sit down with Isaac McMahon, band director at Brookings High School in South Dakota—a musician, educator, and all-around interesting human whose journey to the podium includes farms, baseball no-hitters, homemade hot sauce, and at least one extremely loud tractor tire incident. Now in his seventh year of teaching, Isaac leads a thriving program that includes concert band, competitive marching band, pep band, jazz ensembles, music theory, and music exploration. His passion for students and teaching has earned him multiple district “BEST” awards for leadership, as well as the 2025 Dennis Hegg Outstanding Young Band Director Award for the state of South Dakota. His program was also selected to perform at the 2026 South Dakota Bandmasters Conference—a testament to the culture of excellence he’s built with his students. But Isaac’s story is about far more than accolades. Growing up on a farm in South Dakota (where he once accidentally popped an 8-foot tractor tire… loudly), he developed the work ethic and humor that now define his classroom. From dressing up as Beethoven for a fourth-grade biography fair to throwing a high school baseball no-hitter—and briefly attempting a golf career that ended after exactly one away meet—Isaac’s path to music education has been anything but boring. What you’ll hear in this episode: Isaac’s journey from South Dakota farm kid to award-winning band director How Comprehensive Musicianship through Performance (CMP) shapes his teaching philosophy The joy and responsibility of mentoring future educators as a cooperating teacher Lessons learned from teaching in both Breckenridge, Minnesota and Brookings, South Dakota Why continuing to perform (he’s a semi-professional bassoonist and saxophonist) keeps him connected to the art The realities—and occasional chaos—of running a modern band program And along the way you’ll discover that Isaac is also a self-proclaimed coffee snob who roasts his own beans, a home hot-sauce creator with a fridge shelf dedicated to spice, a former homecoming king, and a proud dad of two daughters who somehow balances family life with marching band rehearsals and jazz charts. This conversation is funny, thoughtful, and full of the kind of real-life stories that remind us why music educators are some of the most creative and resilient people around. Tune in for laughter, teaching wisdom, and possibly a new appreciation for both bassoons and properly roasted coffee—beyond artless. Credits Groovin' Hard- Don Menza/arr. Peter Blair Heritage Music Press REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education Support the show

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  • S4 · E29
    March 14 · 55 min

    Buzz Kemper

    Send us Fan Mail Tune in for a masterclass in mastering, mountain climbing, and music making. Buzz’s stories take you from Devil’s Tower to small-town pharmacy to collaborating with Yo-Yo Ma. So whether you’re a budding sound god, a mountain enthusiast, or just someone who loves hilarious stories from someone who’s done it all—this episode will leave you inspired, amused, and maybe a little more willing to climb those metaphorical—and literal—mountains yourself. Learn More About Buzz Here: https://buzzkemper.com/ https://www.instagram.com/buzzkemper/ Credits: Enchantment by Jodie Blackshaw. Performed by the Hobart Wind Symphony conducted by Simon Reade. https://youtu.be/3e8OrSg8h6M?si=jojRar36SnWf0Spt Badger Talks with Buzz Kemper. https://youtu.be/YRC--RZI4ac?si=NydNVIhnwbHPJV0r REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1 BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dp Support the show

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  • S4 · E28
    March 7 · 59 min

    Rodney Dorsey

    Send us Fan Mail Will Chris find a way to expand Beyond the Notes to include kazoo choirs? Will Peter make it through the entire podcast on 1 hour of sleep? Will Phil win an award for longest question ever? All of these questions will be answered - sadly testing the patience of our exasperated commuters. Oh well. The Buzzler and Bandboozler shall provide a short moment of sanity. Our guest has taught successfully in high schools and colleges throughout the country and is now director of bands at Florida State University. He is a great advocate for students, a renowned conductor, board member of the Midwest Clinic and an all around wonderful person! Rodney Dorsey is simply the best. Show Links U.S. Marine Band forced to cancel concert with students of color after Trump DEI order. Watch the episode here: https://youtu.be/lhwS06U1SnA?si=z5RutPTfPy-tKzoM REGISTER NOW: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTES MUSIC FESTIVAL REGISTRATION OPENS MARCH 9 AT 8:00 PM Learn more at: https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/ BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dp Support the show

  • S4 · E27
    February 28 · 58 min

    Sarah McKoin

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Beyond Artless, we welcome Dr. Sarah McKoin, educator, conductor, and scholar at Texas Tech University, for a conversation that blends musicianship, mentorship, and corndogs. Dr. McKoin shares her path into higher education and conducting, reflecting on the moments and mentors that shaped her voice as a teacher and musician. From leading ensembles to preparing future musicians, she speaks candidly about the responsibility—and joy—of guiding students toward artistry, confidence, and curiosity. What you’ll hear in this episode: Dr. McKoin’s journey to Texas Tech and the collegiate podium The role of mentorship in shaping meaningful musical careers Building ensemble culture rooted in trust and excellence Balancing artistry, scholarship, and leadership How to meet famous musicians while eating corndogs How to make a great free-throw under pressure! This conversation is thoughtful, grounded, and deeply encouraging—reminding us that great teaching is as much about listening and learning as it is about leading. CREDITS: DAHL Sinfonietta: Introduction and Rondo - "The President's Own" U.S. Marine Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo2nBmPQXPo Hindemith's Symphony in B-flat | The U.S. Army Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpgXXcAcNQ4 Inland Ocean - Viet Cuong (for Grade 2.5 Concert Band) Reading by the West Chester University Wind Ensemble, Dr. Andrew Yozviak, conductor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaB6dSEtS8A Patiala Pulse by Shruthi Rajasekar. Concert band Grade 4 Murphy Music Presshttps://murphymusicpress.com/products/cb3-1,045 OPENING SOON: 2027 BEYOND THE NOTES MUSIC FESTIVAL REGISTRATION OPENS MARCH 9 AT 8:00 PM. Learn more at: https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/ REGISTER NOW: BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dp Support the show

  • S4 · E26
    February 21 · 1 hr 1 min

    Patricia Brumbaugh

    Send us Fan Mail Commuter, you are in for a treat! In this episode, we welcome the extraordinary Patricia Brumbaugh—a trailblazing conductor, educator, mentor, and lifelong advocate for musical excellence. From her early days studying under legendary music educator John Whitwell to leading high school, collegiate, youth, and community ensembles across the country, Pat’s career reflects resilience, high standards, and deep humanity. Named Outstanding Young Band Conductor in the Nation (1984), she has built programs, conducted at major conferences, and shaped generations of musicians—many of whom are still playing today. CREDITS Prelude and Fugue in Bb Major - J.S. Bach arr. Moehlmann. All Illinois Junior Band Send your students to this IL friends! Amazing! https://www.aijb.org/ Canzona - Peter Mennin. Lowell Graham. United States Air Force Band https://youtu.be/jictlsGlEks?si=M36F93GlAcKzr-o6 "The President's Own" United States Marine Band presents Warren Benson's "The Solitary Dancer." Conducted by Col. John R. Bourgeois. From the album "Showcase, Volume Two," recorded in 1990. http://www.marineband.marines.mil/ "Ricky" by The Wolves of Glendale. https://youtu.be/3O1WgS-vd1Q?si=KmJCNOr62oU_Wv8K REGISTER NOW: BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dp Support the show

  • S4 · E25
    February 14 · 54 min

    Eytan Wurman

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode of the Beyond ArtLess Podcast, we dig into Common Time Pathways, a smarter, saner way to connect music students and colleges. Born from one band director’s “why is this so hard?” moment, the platform organizes recruiting data and levels the playing field for programs of all sizes—no dusty spreadsheets required. Founder Eytan Wurman joins us to explain how their matching algorithm pairs students with colleges based on majors, interests, and financial fit, all while keeping data more secure than the locked percussion room. We also look ahead as Common Time Pathways expands into theater, dance, and visual art, and talk about why early, intentional connections help create lifelong musicians—and keep students in the right schools. Smart ideas, real impact, and just enough ArtLess banter to keep things interesting. Learn more about Eytan here: https://www.convergenceensemble.org/eytan-wurman-board-member https://www.linkedin.com/in/eytanwurman/ Check out CommonTime Pathways Here: https://www.ctpathways.com/ CREDITS: Samara Joy - You Stepped Out Of A Dream (Studio Version) https://youtu.be/vVKbeUs0a_A?si=yLNZeCjWJ6x5k9xh Watch the official music video for “You Stepped Out Of A Dream” by Samara Joy. Listen to the new single ‘You Stepped Out Of A Dream’: https://SamaraJoy.lnk.to/PortraitID The Sun in September · Omar Thomas Large Ensemble https://youtu.be/qCwSOqUZ0Vk?si=ELq6B1HVhnBU4WlY Griot Songs ℗ 2025 Omar Thomas Music Released on: 2025-02-07 Main Artist: Omar Thomas Large Ensemble Composer: Omar Thomas REGISTER NOW: BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dp Support the show

  • S4 · E24
    February 7 · 1 hr 6 min

    Steven Campbell

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Beyond Artless, we’re thrilled to welcome Steve Campbell, tubist with the Minnesota Orchestra, for a conversation that goes well beyond the low notes. Steve shares what it’s really like to build a career in one of the world’s great orchestras—from the discipline and dedication behind orchestral excellence to the humor, humility, and humanity that keep music-making joyful. Along the way, he reflects on practice, preparation, and the often-unsung role of the tuba in shaping the sound and soul of an ensemble. What you’ll hear in this episode: Steve’s path to the Minnesota Orchestra The realities of orchestral life and long-term musicianship Lessons learned from decades of performing at the highest level Advice for young musicians dreaming of orchestral careers Stories from the stage that are thoughtful, funny, and deeply musical This episode is a celebration of craft, curiosity, and commitment—and a reminder that every great ensemble is built on musicians who listen deeply and lead from wherever they sit. Tune in for wisdom, wit, and world-class musicianship—beyond artless. CREDITS Reflections of the Mississippi The Quad City Symphony Orchestra, Steve Campbell, tuba, and Mark Russell Smith, conductor, perform Michael Daugherty's Reflections of the Mississippi, mvts. 3 and 4, on Sunday, October 2, 2016, in Centennial Hall, Rock Island, IL. https://youtu.be/kinQB_ZLAHw?si=J4IRmAdRG_8AomOJ Marsalis' Tuba Concerto The rarely spotlighted tuba takes center stage in a recent concerto by the eminent composer, jazz trumpeter and bandleader Wynton Marsalis—fusing traditions ranging from classical to bebop to boogaloo. Of note are a passage in which the soloist plays the tuba and sings simultaneously, and a blistering finale that nods to bebop saxophonist Charlie “Bird” Parker. https://youtu.be/a6OEDekFJlw?si=_Se-uGpe4-T1rV70 Conductor Jonathan Taylor Rush led Principal Tuba Steven Campbell with the Minnesota Orchestra in this performance on May 19, 2023. Esa-Pekka Salonen: Nyx Esa-Pekka Salonen: Nyx (2010) Hannu Lintu, conductor Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra Helsinki Music Centre, 25 January 2013 The FRSO recorded this piece in 2011 in Helsinki. This is the Finnish concert premiere. The world premiere was performed in Paris. https://youtu.be/jm4wlf7VkCk?si=iISqCM4VY4E45a8z Tango Corazon, Hanna Lehtonen For Grade 2-3 Trombone and Grade 3 Band: https://www.leadingtonesmusic.com/sto... https://youtu.be/CSd2iwsYKe0?si=_nYdHwVjL6DAf_ec REGISTER NOW: BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 THANKS TO: Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https Support the show

  • S4 · E23
    January 31 · 1 hr 4 min

    Andrew Mast

    Send us Fan Mail Welcome to this week’s super spreader episode compliments of Phil Ostrander. After recovering from our Midwest illnesses your hosts welcome Andy Mast, Associate Dean of the Conservatory at Lawrence University. Andy shares his journey from a high school tuba player to a recognized educator and administrator, providing insights into effective mentorship, navigating career transitions, and fostering collaboration across music communities. Whether you're an aspiring teacher, seasoned conductor, or music administrator, Andy’s stories and advice offer valuable guidance for growth and success. PLUS a fun Rappin’ with Songer and a Band Boozler that might actually be helpful. Links: Lawrence University - Music Department Vincent Persichetti Society Andy Mast - Bio & Profile CREDITS: Echoes Of The Inner Prophet- Melissa Aldana Echoes Of The Inner Prophet- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxS8wrlqJow Cyrille Aimée with the Emmet Cohen Trio | La Vie En Rose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81viyOKgx0w Percy Grainger: Lincolnshire Posy - Lawrence University Wind Ensemble Andrew Mast, conductor; Sonu., rapper/artist Wednesday, November 16, 2022 Appleton, Wisconsin, U.S.A. Hans Zimmer - "Time" from the album 'Inception (Music From the Motion Picture)'. Hans Zimmer composed the score of 'Inception', a film directed by Christopher Nolan.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c56t7upa8Bk REGISTER NOW: BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education RISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22): https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0 THANKS TO: Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiums We would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsor Support the show

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