
Why Should Black People Save a Country That Hates Them? - Tiffany Cross & Michael Harriot Discuss
What happens when Black Americans stop trying to save a country that refuses to protect them? In this provocative conversation, journalist Tiffany D. Cross and bestselling author Michael Harriot confront America's dependence on Black labor, leadership, and sacrifice while questioning whether the promise of equality was ever meant to be fulfilled. From the political awakening following the 2024 election to the possibility of leaving America altogether, they challenge the belief that Black freedom must come through acceptance by a system built on oppression. Their discussion raises an unsettling question: Is the future of Black liberation about fighting for a place in America—or finally building something beyond it? Order Michael Harriot Book Here: https://bookshop.org/a/20190/9780358439165 Order Tiffany Cross Books Here: https://bookshop.org/a/20190/9781538775493 Order Baldwin & Co. Merch Here: https://shop.baldwinandcobooks.com Learn more about Baldwin & Co. Foundation: https://bcofoundation.org Chapters 0:00 Introductions 0:38 America Depends on Black Women, But Won’t Protect Them 2:01 Coates, Kamala Harris & the Lessons of Black Women 2:41 Mothers Teach How to Be, Fathers Teach What to Do 4:45 Is America Crumbling? 6:38 Ella Baker: “Bigger Than the Hamburger” 7:51 Is the Law Just Words on Paper? 9:53 Can America Ever Be Home? 12:48 What Freedom Felt Like in Ghana 17:30 The White Lion 19:52 Don’t Romanticize Leaving 22:57 What Should Black Fathers Tell Their Children? 25:52 What Are You Running To? 27:07 Remembering Our Love for Each Other 30:55 Community, Family & What Wealth Really Means 38:25 Midterms Miss the Plot 39:24 Love Helped Us Survive the Slave Ships 43:13 The Girl Who Burned Down the Barn 45:08 It Was Never About Democrats vs. Republicans 50:01 Done Debating 51:46 They’ve Always Been Extremists 56:33 Love Is in Our Fight 57:07 The Beloved Community This episode is part of the ongoing conversations hosted by Baldwin & Co., a Black-owned bookstore, café, and cultural institution based in New Orleans. Baldwin & Co. exists at the intersection of literature, ideas, and community—creating space for rigorous dialogue, storytelling, and intellectual exchange. Through author talks, podcasts, live events, and community programming, Baldwin & Co. amplifies voices shaping how we understand culture, history, politics, faith, and the future. Stay connected with Baldwin & Co. across platforms: Instagram: @baldwinandco X (Twitter): @baldwinandco Facebook: Baldwin & Co. YouTube: Baldwin & Co. Website: www.baldwinandcobooks.com Visit us in New Orleans or online to support independent bookselling, discover powerful literature, and engage in conversations that matter. #TiffanyCross #MichaelHarriot #BlackAFHistory #LoveMe #BlackWomen #BlackInAmerica #BlackLove #BlackCommunity #BlackHistory #PanAfricanism #BlackDiaspora #Ghana #Democracy #BlackAuthors #Podcast
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