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From the Appalachian Trail to the Pacific Crest and everything in between. Backpacker Radio is a show all about the wonderful world that is thru-hiking and long distance backpacking.

Co-hosts, Zach "Badger" Davis and Juliana "Chaunce" Chauncey muse on the backpacking life and the latest from the trail every other week. Topics include but are not limited to news, trail culture, interviews, gear, advice, and all you can eat buffets.

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  • Aug 29, 2022 · 2 hr

    #164 | Danae and Olen Netteburg on Thru-Hiking with 5 Kids and Working as Doctors in Rural Africa

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by The Netteburg family. Danae and Olen Netteburg, alongside their 5 children- ages ranging from 13 to 1, are currently thru-hiking the CDT. This is their second thru-hike in three years, after the family completed the Appalachian Trail in 2020. The Netteburg's story is one of a kind- both Danae and Olen are missionary doctors who run a 100-bed hospital in rural Chad. We go in-depth learning about how a family of seven manages on a trail as challenging as the CDT, their standout highs and lows from the AT, what life is like back in their home of Chad and the challenges of their work, and much more. The kiddos were also in and out of the studio for this one, so be prepared for the fun chaos that will ensue. We wrap the show with a triple crown of things you put on a cracker, a fan follow up to Kathryn Miles' episode which paints a different picture of one of the suspects, and we opine on the movies most deserving of a sequel. Gossamer Gear: Use code "backpackerradio" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Tanri: Use code "bpradio10" for 10% off at tanri.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Interview with Danae and Olen Netteburg Danae's Instagram Olen's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:10 - QOTD: What movie do you most wish had a sequel? 00:07:15 - Introducing the Netteburgs 00:08:15 - How did you end up on trail as a family? 00:10:15 - Tell us about being doctors in Chad! 00:13:08 - Can you compare practicing medicine in the US versus abroad? 00:15:20 - Can anything stress you out while thru-hiking? 00:18:12 - Tell us some crazy doctor stories. 00:21:01 - What are the kid's thoughts on the biggest differences between Chad and America? 00:22:10 - Hippo facts! 00:25:56 - What other scary animals do you deal with in Chad? 00:27:15 - What precautions do you take for mosquitos? 00:30:16 - What drives you to continue being doctors in Chad? 00:32:24 - How did you decide to hike the AT in 2020? 00:36:15 - Kids: what was your initial impression of the AT? 00:39:20 - Tell us about the timeline for starting the AT? 00:43:15 - Did you ever consider stopping the hike? 00:47:50 - What does a 6 person resupply/meal strategy look like? 00:49:15 - Are all the kids hiking themselves? 00:51:30 - What are some parenting hacks to keep the kids happy while hiking? 00:54:42 - Is it a welcome distraction or additional burden to keep the kids happy? 00:55:35 - How do you handle it when they're grumpy? 00:57:44 - What are each of their hiking personas? 01:00:15 - At what age do they stay reliably on trail? 01:00:50 - What's the extent of the gear that the kids carry? 01:03:35 - What packs do you use? 01:05:12 - Roughly speaking, what's your typical pace? 01:08:33 - Discussion about feeding the kids 01:11:10 - What are the other person's most and least endearing hiking traits? 01:15:02 - Did you get a lot of criticism in 2020? 01:15:49 - How would you compare the challenge of the AT and the CDT? 01:17:29 - Discussion about potty training and hiking with a baby 01:20:31 - How do you manage sleep deprivation? 01:21:41 - How do you manage to stay happy partners? 01:23:19 - Tell us about managing the monsoons and lightning on the CDT. 01:27:40 - Discussion about using umbrellas 01:28:50 - Tell us about your spreadsheets! 01:34:51 - If you could go back to day 0 on the AT, what advice would you give yourself? 01:36:29 - How do the kids adjust when you return to your busy work schedules? 01:38:27 - How much would you say thru-hiking is for you two, the kids, or the family? 01:39:17 - Do you think the kids have the thru-hiking itch now? 01:40:45 - Where can people keep up with you? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Pooping on the Appalachian Trail: Important Statistics from My Thru-Hike by Brian "Slurpee" Garner Montbell Superior Down Parka Review by Elise Ott Triple Crown of things you put on a cracker Mail Bag 5 Star Review Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Aug 22, 2022 · 1 hr 59 min

    #163 | Quinn Brett on Handcycling the Tour Divide and Maintaining an Active Lifestyle after a Paralyzing Climbing Fall

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Quinn Brett. Quinn was a world-class climber prior to her 2017 fall in Yosemite left her paralyzed from the waist down. Since then, Quinn being the badass athlete that she is, has found new modes to adventure, having most recently completed the 2,500-mile Tour Divide on an adaptive handbike, which she did in just 25 days. We learn all about Quinn's accident, how her adventures, friendships, and life have changed since that fall, and we go in-depth about her advocacy work- how Quinn is fighting to improve recreational accessibility for other persons with disabilities. We wrap the show with a Triple Crown of Countries You'd Live in if Deported from the US, a brief overview of some of the reasons we've fired Mara, and we opine on where Funyuns belong in the greater chip ranking. Gossamer Gear: Use code "backpackerradio" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Ned: Use code "backpacker" for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. [divider] Interview with Quinn Brett Quinn's Instagram Quinn's Website An Accidental Life Time stamps & Questions 00:03:08 - QOTD: Have you heard of Elon Musk's dog mode? 00:07:38 - Reminders: submit your AT terminus pictures! 00:08:10 - Introducing Quinn 00:08:37 - How did you originally get interested in the outdoors and climbing? 00:10:47 - What does climbing look like in Minnesota? 00:11:51 - What does doing a season in Yosemite mean? 00:13:04 - How did you get started on the big walls? 00:14:51 - What is it like camping in a portaledge? 00:16:25 - Discussion about premier climbing locations in Colorado and the US. 00:17:28 - Tell us about your accident. 00:20:47 - How did you get off the wall? 00:22:49 - Was the fall itself painful? 00:23:33 - How did you brain process learning that you were paralyzed? 00:25:21 - How did your relationship with climbing change? 00:27:13 - Are there options for climbing while paralyzed? 00:29:30 - Would you go back and change anything if you could? 00:31:21 - What have you noticed about inaccessibility since your injury? 00:34:39 - What are the most common barriers to accessibility in the outdoors? 00:37:30 - Tell us about your documentary. 00:38:52 - What would you want to change about the documentary? 00:41:31 - Tell us more about the current and future therapies for spinal cord injuries. 00:44:01 - Is there any hope in something like Neuralink? 00:46:30 - Tell us about your ride on the Tour Divide. 00:47:53 - How did you train for the ride? 00:49:15 - Would your hand cycle have tipped less with two rear wheels? 00:51:35 - How did you solve the battery problem? 00:52:51 - Tell us about the camping. 00:54:55 - Do you feel like your upper body has gained perception after your injury? 00:56:04 - What were some of the highlights of the Tour Divide? 00:57:01 - Do you have any advice for someone who's interested in doing a similar ride? 00:58:36 - Can you describe the community you've found among other people with disabilities? 00:59:56 - Do you have any good poop stories from the ride? 01:02:15 - Did you see any grizzly bears? 01:03:50 - Are there any states that are particularly accessible or particularly not? 01:04:44 - Tell us about the political advocacy work you do. 01:07:03 - Tell us about the advocacy work you've done for public lands. 01:09:00 - How have your personal relationships changed since your injury? 01:12:22 - Are there any other toys or gear items you're excited to try? 01:13:28 - What safety measures do you take while rafting or kayaking? 01:15:15 - Were you ever interested in the Paralympics? 01:16:00 - What are some of your plans or goals for the next five to ten years? 01:17:37 - Where should people go to find you or support initiatives you're working on? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda 60 PCT Hikers Evacuated from Trail As McKinney Fire Burns Near CA-OR Border by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of countries you'd live in if you were deported from the US Reasons We've Fired Mara Mail Bag 5 Star Review Listener Voicemail [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Aug 15, 2022 · 1 hr 51 min

    #162 | Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan: the First Woman to Hike All 11 National Scenic Trails

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan. Apple Pie is the first woman to hike all eleven of the National Scenic Trails in the United States, which frankly only scratches the surface on her hiking and backpacking career. We chat about some of her favorite stories from her tens of thousands of miles on trail, her favorite and least favorite of the National Scenic Trails, how she managed to become the backpacking legend that she is today despite not starting until she was 30 years old, and much more. Arlette doesn't hold back in her answers, we think you'll get a kick out of this chat. We wrap the show with a triple crown of talents most people don't know that we possess, a story of how I ended up at the ER after the Golden Hiker Meetup, and Chaunce has COVID! Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Organifi: Use code "backpacker" for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Tanri: Use code "bpradio10" for 10% off at tanri.com. Interview with Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan Arlette's Instagram Arlette Laan Fiber Creations Instagram Arlette's Website Redline Guiding Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:35 - QOTD: What's the dumbest thing you've done this week? 00:12:18 - How was the Golden hiker meetup? 00:14:02 - Shoutout to the Blue Sky Fund! 00:15:03 - Introducing Arlette 00:15:48 - How did you get into long distance backpacking? 00:17:34 - How did you get your trail name? 00:19:04 - How many miles have you hiked? 00:20:14 - What trails have you done other than the National Scenic Trails? 00:20:51 - How did you experience backpacking in Europe after getting into it in the US? 00:24:22 - Is there any particular reason you left the Ice Age Trail for last? 00:27:47 - At what point did you realize you wanted to do all the National Scenic Trails? 00:31:38 - What were your 3 favorite and 3 least favorite trails? 00:34:14 - Give us your best sales pitch for the CDT. 00:38:00 - Discussion about changing navigation technology. 00:40:27 - How does homesickness play into your long trails? 00:46:53 - Discussion about the Florida Trail. 00:48:16 - Discussion about the Pacific Northwest Trail. 00:49:32 - Tell us why the AT isn't at the top of your list. 00:51:21 - What are the best 3 states and worst 3 states in the US in your opinion? 00:57:58 - What do you do when there's no good camping? 00:59:00 - Do you have any standout wildlife stories? 01:01:00 - Have you always been an adventure-seeker? 01:04:03 - Were you pushing your physical limits prior to thru-hiking? 01:08:56 - Now that you've done so many long trails, what do you wish you knew when you started? 01:10:24 - How do you think being a woman has impacted your backpacking? 01:12:49 - How have you been able to financially and logistically do all of these hikes? 01:15:18 - Tell us about doll making! 01:18:45 - Tell us more about the guiding you do. 01:21:56 - What words of inspiration do you have for someone reluctant to get into backpacking? 01:23:10 - What's your most embarrassing hiking story? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan on Becoming the First Woman to Hike All 11 National Scenic Trails by Alison Young [Book Review] Adventure Ready by Katie Gerber and Heather Anderson by Penina Satlow Triple Crown of talents most people don't know you possess Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Aug 8, 2022 · 2 hr 27 min

    #161 | Diane "Sticks" Harsha: FBI Special Agent, AT Section Hiker, and Author

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Diane "Sticks" Harsha. Diane is an AT section hiker, the author of "Sticks and Stones: How to Hike the Appalachian Trail in 13 Years", and a retired FBI agent. We of course spend a lot of time talking about Diane's career in the bureau- including questions about the rigorous training and testing required to be accepted into the FBI, negotiation tactics that could be applied to convincing a spouse to let you leave for an extended backpacking trip, carrying a weapon on trail, and the overlap between working in the FBI and backpacking the AT at large. And yes of course we sneak in a couple of X-Files questions. We wrap the show with a triple crown of celebrities we'd most want to party with, a story about Chaunce farting her way through a work Zoom meeting, and Badger announces his next backpacking trip. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Ned: Use code "backpacker" for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. Interview with Diane "Sticks" Harsha Diane's Facebook Diane's LinkedIn Sticks and Stones on Audible Sticks and Stones on Amazon Time stamps & Questions 00:02:55 - QOTD: What's the most embarrassing moment you have from a virtual meeting? 00:15:42 - QOTD 2: What's the thing you're most excited about? 00:20:02 - Reminders: Shoutout to our new Chuck Norris members! 00:21:40 - Introducing Diane 00:22:27 - How did you get into the FBI? 00:25:12 - What was the fitness test you took? 00:26:47 - Is Chaunce fit enough to join the FBI? 00:31:00 - Discussion about age norms. 00:33:11 - Tell us more about FBI training. 00:37:55 - Discussion about the accuracy of polygraph tests. 00:39:42 - Were you on any wild cases you can tell us about? 00:44:40 - Do you feel like you were treated differently as a woman agent? 00:46:53 - Since it's illegal to make false statements to federal agents, could we go to prison for lying to you? 00:48:34 - What negotiation skills would you recommend for convincing your partner to let you do a thru-hike? 00:51:03 - Tell us more about active listening. 00:53:40 - Did you ever use these communication strategies while hiking? 00:56:44 - What other skills crossed over between being an FBI agent and hiking? 00:59:07 - Did you experience fear before starting the trail? 01:00:30 - Did you hike with a gun? 01:03:10 - If you had to pick one state on the AT to carry your gun through, which would it be? 01:06:40 - Was your husband more worried about your career or about your hiking? 01:08:31 - What were your single most dangerous moments in the FBI and on the trail? 01:14:03 - What other things did you bring to trail from your career? 01:18:50 - Did the trail ever grant you any insights related to your work or a case? 01:21:24 - Is there an emotional lull after completing each case? 01:24:10 - Did you ever have a case that could have been an episode of X-Files? 01:25:30 - What are things that movies and shows always get wrong? 01:28:12 - What are the advantages to section hiking the AT over many years instead of all at once? 01:31:35 - Tell us about how you planned the sections. 01:38:14 - Give us your trail name origin story. 01:42:20 - When did you get the inspiration to write the book? 01:46:08 - What can a reader expect when they pick up the book? 01:48:50 - Where can people find the book? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Desolation Wilderness Now Requires Bear-Resistant Food Storage by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of non-A or B-list celebrities you'd love to party with Listener Voicemail 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Aug 1, 2022 · 2 hr 42 min

    #160 | Beginner Backpacking Mistakes 2.0

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are bringing you another edition of Beginner Backpacking Mistakes. Today we're joined by our good pal and backpacking superstar, Steven "Twinkle" Shattuck, to give you a rundown of mistakes to avoid on your next backpacking trip. If you listened to the first edition of this panel, rest assured that all of the tips in this episode are brand new- backed by many thousands of miles of trail experience- we made all the mistakes so you don't have to. We also have a triple crown of our favorite day hikes in Colorado, we learn about Twinkle and Grace's recent epic backpacking trip in Peru, and we wrap the show with a solid hazing of Chaunce. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code "backpacker" for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Ned: Use code "backpacker" for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. Tanri: Use code "bpradio10" for 10% off at tanri.com. Panel with Badger, Chaunce, and Twinkle Backpacker Radio 61 | Grace and Steven "Twinkle" Shattuck on Their 15 Month Dirtbagging Adventure Backpacker Radio Episode #6: Steven "Twinkle" Shattuck on Dirt-Bagging for a Year, The Best Headlamps for Thru-Hiking, and Curing Anxiety on Trail Twinkle's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:06:18 - QOTD: What have you been up to since we last talked? 00:11:27 - Discussion about Twinkle's Huayllapa Circuit hike 00:21:14 - Twinkle's Mistake #1: Relying on your phone too heavily for navigation 00:28:20 - Chaunce's Mistake #1: Not including gear replacements or fixes into your trail budget 00:36:00 - Zach's Mistake #1: Not eating enough food 00:43:50 - Twinkle's Mistake #2: Splitting up with your group without making a detailed plan 00:57:08 - Chaunce's Mistake #2: Just because your body feels like it can push on, doesn't mean it should 01:02:32 - Zach's Mistake #2: Be more selective with your campsites 01:15:02 - Twinkle's Mistake #3: Do not buy excess footwear prior to your hike 01:25:00 - Nancy East fan club 01:28:13 - Chaunce's Mistake #3: Not preparing for what happens after your hike 01:34:58 - Zach's Mistake #3: Not budgeting enough extra time for your hike SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 5 Backpacking Hacks I Learned from HikeTok by Katie Houston Triple Crown of our favorite Colorado day hikes [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jul 25, 2022 · 1 hr 58 min

    #159 | Shayla "Kiddo" Paradeis on Hiking Without a Smartphone and Healing from Trauma

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Shayla "Kiddo" Paradeis. Shayla is a very accomplished backpacker, with the triple crown just scratching the surface of her hiking resume, but it's her approach to backpacking that makes this conversation stand out. We chat about what it's like to backpack in today's age without a smartphone, including the differences of keeping in touch with hikers, navigating on trail, tracking the forecast, and more. Shayla also shares her experience of healing on trail, and how her experiences as a sexual assault survivor have played a major role in her desire to be in the backcountry. Another warning to listeners, if the subject of sexual assault is especially triggering to you, we encourage you to skip ahead about half way into today's interview. We wrap the show with the triple crown of reasons to go to a baseball game, we check in with MG as she's just hiked through the 100-Mile Wilderness, we discuss things that feel like a scam but aren't (but also sort of are), and give a shoutout to a couple who got engaged on the PCT this year! Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Ned: Use code "backpacker" for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. Interview with Shayla "Kiddo" Paradeis Shayla's Website Shayla's Youtube Channel Time stamps & Questions 00:02:52 - QOTD: What isn't a scam but feels like one? 00:05:50 - Reminders: Leftover trail days shirts *were* in the Trek store! 00:06:38 - Introducing Shayla 00:07:23 - How does one decide to hike without a smartphone? 00:10:23 - What's the rationale? 00:13:12 - Are you off of social media entirely? 00:15:10 - Do you ever listen to music? 00:17:24 - How have you noticed hikers change as you've hiked so many trails? 00:21:59 - Have you noticed a change in how you get through your day? 00:24:37 - How are you checking the weather forecast? 00:25:54 - Do you get frustrated being around other hikers who are always on their phones? 00:28:10 - Has any part of you lost faith in humanity? 00:29:57 - Discussion about navigation and getting lost without a phone. 00:33:52 - Tell us about your hiking group patterns for your long trails. 00:36:25 - What was your hitchhiking method? 00:37:07 - Did you ever get bothered by your hiking partners using their phones? 00:38:36 - If you could do it over again, would you hike alone? 00:40:17 - Do you have any tips for people wanting to set boundaries? 00:46:44 - Tell us about the Haute Route. 00:49:06 - Can you compare the Haute Route and the Tour du Mont Blanc? 00:51:02 - Are you also a runner? 00:52:30 - Why don't you like racing as much anymore? 00:53:44 - Did you have a light pack in 2011? 00:54:41 - Tell us about eating better. 00:56:51 - How many calories did you consume on trail? 00:57:49 - Are you a competitive person? 01:01:11 - Tell us more about why you're hiking. 01:04:57 - What happened that led you to run away to Glacier? 01:06:30 - Were your parents disappointed when you left New York? 01:08:02 - Did the trauma you experience relate to getting into backpacking? 01:09:42 - Have you found thru-hiking to be healing? 01:10:41 - (Begin trigger warning) How did your relationship on trail pan out? 01:12:33 - Did any part of you want to quit hiking after that? 01:15:10 - How did you feel safety-wise after that? 01:16:36 - Tell us more about your book. 01:18:47 - Can you give us a synopsis of what the book is about? 01:21:22 - (End trigger warning) Tell us about the volunteering you do in Glacier National Park. 01:25:50 - Tell us about grizzlies and wolves! 01:27:10 - Discussion about how wolves impact the ecosystem. 01:29:08 - Is there anything else you want to share? 01:29:48 - Thank you! SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Meet the Thru-Hiking Couple Who Got Engaged on the PCT by Penina Satlow After 9,000 Miles of Thru-Hiking, These Are the 10 Items I Never Leave Home Without by Jenn Wall Triple Crown of reasons to go to a baseball game Pupdate Mara-Edition Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, and Mike Poisel. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jul 18, 2022 · 2 hr 8 min

    #158 | Kathryn Miles on Attempting to Solve the Shenandoah Murders

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined by Kathryn Miles. Kathryn is an award-winning journalist, science writer, and the author of five books, most recently "Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders", which is the focus of today's chat. We go deep on everything to do with this case, including the gruesome details of the murders, why this was not a random act of violence, why this case has yet to be solved, who Kathryn believes to be the perpetrator, and much more. A warning to listeners, this one goes into some pretty horrific details on the subjects of sexual assault and murder. If either of these subjects are especially triggering to you, we encourage you to skip ahead to the segments for this one. We then pivot from rape and murder to the triple crown of ice cream toppings. Typical backpacker radio stuff. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off your order of $50 or more at rticoutdoors.com Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Kathryn Miles Kathryn Miles Website Kathryn's Instagram Buy Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders or at your local bookstore Time stamps & Questions 00:05:23 - QOTD: How was your day today? 00:11:37 - Introducing Kathryn Miles 00:12:12 - What's your hiking background? 00:12:53 - Anything else you want to add about the hiker designations? 00:13:52 - Can you tell us about your journalism career? 00:15:23 - Did you always know 'Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders' was going to become a book? 00:17:01 - Can you give an overview of the case? 00:19:11 - What were the challenges with writing this? 00:21:36 - Do you eventually develop thicker skin towards these stories? 00:22:45 - Going into this project, were you afraid of the side effects others experienced after digging into similar stories? 00:24:08 - Did you have a background or past interest in true crime? 00:25:44 - When you're researching something like this, where do you start? 00:27:40 - How do you focus on the killer when you don't know the killer? 00:29:44 - Amateur sleuthing 00:30:32 - Do you worry about bringing a new potential killer into the story? 00:32:45 - Did you lose your love for the outdoors and hiking after writing the book? 00:35:12 - Did you end up viewing the photos? 00:36:40 - Could you share some more details around this being a premeditated murder? 00:39:58 - What will readers learn through the book that they wouldn't through the police reports? 00:42:01 - What were some of the most interesting things you found in the reports? 00:47:37 - Can you speak to the general safety of the trails? 00:50:37 - Do you think there's anything nefarious with that? 00:53:15 - Are park rangers part of a union? 00:54:01 - Tell us more about the culture clash in the involved parties 00:55:59 - Were there any thru-hiking suspects? 00:56:48 - Did you ever find out why he had a bloody knife? 00:58:18 - Can you tell us more about the second character? 01:00:24 - What were the similarities between the two murders? 01:01:01 - Was there a purpose to wrapping a body in a sleeping bag? 01:02:53 - How do they determine who's vibrator it was? 01:03:52 - What did he do to modify it? 01:05:54 - Is there any scenario in which the murderer wants to be caught? 01:08:59 - What's your personal opinion on who the killer is? 01:10:10 - What is Darrell Rice doing these days? 01:11:11 - Did you try to reach out to Darrell Rice? 01:12:12 - Is he still missing? 01:13:30 - What convinced them it was Darrell Rice? 01:16:28 - What do you think it will take for the FBI to pick up this case again? 01:16:53 - Where should phone calls and letters be sent? 01:17:39 - What are the odds that the person who did it, isn't either of the two focused on in the book? 01:18:45 - How do you see the Shenandoah murders fitting into a culture of misogyny? 01:20:34 - Could you tell us more about your research into women being excluded from the outdoors? 01:22:18 - How do you instill confidence into those still out hiking near the Shenandoah? 01:24:26 - How was it hiking the AT during that time? 01:25:14 - How did it change the vibe of the trail? 01:26:49 - Do you think it would have impacted the outcome if the women were in a more public camping area? 01:28:21 - Are there other documented crimes specifically against non-binary hikers on trail? 01:30:22 - Is there any research on non-binary hiker crimes? 01:32:01 - Where should people get your book? 01:32:30 - Any projects in the pipeline we should know about? 01:33:37 - Wrap Up SEGMENTS Surprise Mail Audience Mail Bag Trek Propaganda [Book Review] Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders by Penina Satlow Triple Crown Q&A Segment [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, and Mike Poisel. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jul 11, 2022 · 2 hr 14 min

    #157 | Tahoe Rim Trail: Badger Recaps Trail Highlights, Logistics, Chafes, and Gear Advice

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are joined by no one! Today's episode is all about the Tahoe Rim Trail and Badger's recent experience thru-hiking this trail. This one covers everything you'd want to know about hiking the TRT, including the trail's basics, my experience and advice for resupply, gear, pacing, permits, bear storage, the best time to hike this trail, bugs, dealing with snow, navigation, funny stories, cell service, worst chafes, best poops, and much more. We wrap the show with a very weird and impromptu segment- healing your holes with Badger and Chaunce, we touch on the sad news of a hiker who recently passed in the White Mountain National Forest, we get a ridiculous poop story from our pal Paul Packman Sealy, and Backpacker Radio sponsorship winner MG gives us her first update from the AT! Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Organifi: Use code "backpacker" for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Zach "Badger" Davis Badger's Tahoe Rim Trail Gear List Time stamps & Questions 00:04:42 - QOTD: Would you rather have an elephant's nose or a giraffe's neck? 00:08:20 - Introducing Zach! 00:09:05 - What is the TRT? 00:10:52 - Which direction did you hike? 00:11:57 - Tell us about the elevation and miles per day. 00:14:40 - Did you need a bear canister? 00:18:25 - Tell us about the permits required. 00:21:21 - How many people did you see each day? 00:22:30 - Did anyone ask if you hiked the AT? 00:24:25 - How was the water situation? 00:26:13 - Was it exposed or under treeline? 00:27:15 - How was the snow situation? 00:33:40 - What is the best time of year to hike the TRT? 00:35:49 - Tell us about day 1. 00:39:28 - Did you make any friends? 00:39:47 - Discussion about Zach's Ursack. 00:43:30 - Tell us about day 2 (chafing). 00:47:40 - Discussion about Zach wearing a kilt on the AT (disclaimer: disturbing visuals). 00:51:29 - Tell us about day 3 (weather, gear). 00:58:25 - Tell us about day 4 (burn area, ubering, town day). 01:05:47 - Tell us about day 5 (Desolation Wilderness, hiking with friends vs. alone). 01:12:30 - Tell us about day 6 (Tahoe City). 01:15:57 - Any other notable food things? 01:19:27 - Did you have vitamins and supplements? 01:23:04 - Discussion about weight and muscle. 01:26:55 - Tell us about day 7 (snow, cold). 01:30:22 - How did you get to the trail? 01:32:55 - Where does it rank among other shorter thru-hikes you've done? 01:34:04 - Would you recommend the TRT to first-time long distance hikers? 01:35:24 - How was this experience different now that you're a father? 01:36:54 - Is it worth traveling across the country as someone from the East Coast? 01:37:47 - Anything you would have done differently? 01:38:41 - How long was your longest food carry? 01:39:35 - Did you have any knee pain and if so, how did you alleviate it? 01:39:52 - Did you have any trouble navigating? 01:41:00 - Any poop stories? 01:44:28 - What's the next hike for a now-dad? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Badger's Tahoe Rim Trail Gear List Hiker Rescued from Presidential Traverse on Saturday Has Died by Kelly Floro Paul's Poop Story 5 Star Review Healing Your Hole with Zach and Chaunce [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jul 4, 2022 · 1 hr 47 min

    #156 | The Virtual Sherpa on Peak Bagging 13ers and 14ers, Responsibly Promoting Trails, and Video Guiding

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined by Mickey aka The Virtual Sherpa. The Virtual Sherpa runs a successful website and youtube channel dedicated to sharing tips, trail overviews, and more from some of his favorite trails around Colorado and the greater Southwest. We chat about what some of the most underrated 13,000 ft peaks are in Colorado, and why they might be even better than many of the state's 14ers, some of his favorite hikes without hoards of people, his philosophy on gatekeeping and responsibly promoting trails, and much more. We wrap the show with a backpacking trip in Zion National Park that deserves to be on your bucket list, a Q&A touching on a range of subjects including but not limited to good hiking spots for late fall, what life is like with a budding toddler, the scent of tent sex, and more. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Organifi: Use code "backpacker" for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Mickey aka "Virtual Sherpa" The Virtual Sherpa Website The Virtual Sherpa Youtube Channel The Virtual Sherpa Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:40 - QOTD: At what age do people start consuming more Tums than Starbursts? 00:09:19 - Introducing Mickey aka "Virtual Sherpa" 00:09:37 - Mickey's Shit Story 00:12:42 - Tell us your backpacking and peak bagging resume. 00:14:30 - Discussion about trail and ultrarunning. 00:15:33 - What's harder, training for an Ironman or training for a 100-mile run? 00:19:29 - How fast are you? 00:20:55 - Give us some background on how the website started. 00:22:39 - Tell us about your preference with 14ers versus 13ers. 00:24:32 - Tell us why you loved living in Chicago if you hate people. 00:26:20 - Tell us about the 13er you did over Memorial Day? 00:27:15 - Fuck Mary Kill: peak bagging, CT section hikes/backpacking, trail running 00:28:40 - Tell us about the evolution of the website and Youtube channel. 00:31:32 - How do you feel about the conflict between exposing trails via the internet and avoiding people while hiking? 00:34:23 - Why does someone need to work hard to find a spot? 00:35:50 - Discussion about keeping spots secret, public land, and gatekeeping. 00:41:22 - How would you describe your audience and what are the most common questions you get? 00:44:10 - What are your top 3 favorite 14ers and top 3 least favorite 14ers? 00:46:58 - What are your favorite and least favorite 13ers? 00:48:35 - What are your top 3 secret spots? 00:51:20 - Discussion about fear and anxiety about the mountains. 00:53:19 - Do you have a preference between the blog or the Youtube channel? 00:55:52 - Have you asked your friend why there's a story before every recipe? 00:57:21 - What is a border-crossing expedition? 00:58:43 - Do you have any highlights from exploring Utah? 01:02:23 - Discussion about National Parks, crowds, and timing hikes. 01:07:34 - Discussion about Canyonlands. 01:09:13 - What are your big 3 for a typical backpacking trip? 01:12:22 - What's your typical camera setup? 01:14:40 - Tell us about your dog, taking your dog on adventures, and tips for hiking with dogs. 01:20:34 - Anything else do you want to share? 01:22:14 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The Zion Traverse: Hiking Off the Beaten Path in Utah's Most Popular National Park by Katie Kommer Q&A 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 27, 2022 · 2 hr 42 min

    #155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How's your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What's a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach's books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony's twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony's social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony's story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce's age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 27, 2022 · 2 hr 42 min

    #155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How's your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What's a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach's books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony's twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony's social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony's story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce's age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 27, 2022 · 2 hr 42 min

    #155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How's your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What's a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach's books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony's twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony's social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony's story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce's age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 27, 2022 · 2 hr 42 min

    #155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How's your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What's a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach's books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony's twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony's social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony's story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce's age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 27, 2022 · 2 hr 42 min

    #155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "ultralight10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How's your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA "Pony" 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What's a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach's books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony's twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony's social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony's story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce's age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 20, 2022 · 2 hr 10 min

    #154 | Backpacking Nutrition: How to Eat Intelligently, Avoiding Post-Trail Weight Gain, Hydration and Supplement Advice

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to by RTIC, we are joined by Lauren Capone. In addition to being an accomplished triathlete and runner herself, Lauren holds a Master of Science in Applied Nutrition and works as a Functional and Integrative Health Practitioner at Flatirons Integrative Health & Nutrition in Boulder, CO. Our conversation covers a ton of ground on all things nutrition and health for backpacking and beyond, including why people end up gaining the weight they lose on a backpacking trip so quickly post-trail (and what can be done to prevent that), the metabolic effects of long distance endurance exercise, how to know if you're getting the right amount of calories during your hike, her thoughts on eating keto, vegan, or paleo on trail, what supplements a backpacker should consider using, how to stay properly hydrated on trail, and much more. Simply put, you will walk away from this interview with a ton of useful information. Get the notepad ready. RTIC Outdoors: Use code "backpacker" for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Organifi: Use code "backpacker" for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "thetrek10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Lauren Capone Flatirons Integrative Health and Nutrition Lauren's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:14 - Introducing Lauren 00:06:13 - How did you get into endurance sports? 00:08:16 - Tell us about the Ironman. 00:10:53 - At what point did you do your first full Ironman? 00:13:24 - What are the qualifying metrics for the Kona Ironman? 00:15:00 - Tell us the highlights and stats from your Kona race. 00:17:59 - Did you mentally prepare in addition to physically prepare? 00:19:22 - Tell us more about the trail running you do now. 00:20:22 - Tell us your educational background as it relates to nutrition. 00:22:38 - How should someone think about food before a half-year backpacking trip? 00:24:27 - What should people think about in terms of macronutrients or overall calorie intake? 00:26:20 - Do you think there's an advantage to starting a trail with a little extra body weight? 00:27:43 - What should people think about caloric intake during the trail? 00:29:45 - Is there anything magical about eating every hour? 00:31:00 - Do you have a rule of thumb for daily caloric intake? 00:32:18 - How does someone figure out their BMR? 00:35:40 - What characteristics should someone look for to know if they're getting enough energy on trail? 00:41:19 - Would you advise against intermittent fasting while hiking a long trail? 00:43:24 - Tell us about macronutrients as they relate to backpacking. 00:46:40 - Do you have a rough starting spot for planning macronutrients? 00:47:39 - Should people rely on their cravings as a guide or be more targeted? 00:50:20 - Discussion about protein sources and intake on trail. 00:54:41 - Are there symptoms of someone getting sufficient carbs but insufficient protein? 00:55:56 - Do you have thoughts on diets like keto, paleo, vegetarian, or vegan? 01:00:16 - How should people think about weight loss on trail? 01:04:10 - Should someone aim for a surplus of calories while eating in town? 01:09:19 - What happens physiologically when you're in a chronic calorie deficit? 01:12:35 - Why do females commonly lose their cycles when doing endurance sports? 01:14:32 - What would other symptoms of caloric deficit look like for males? 01:17:14 - Is there a rough guide for someone trying to monitor their weight? 01:18:07 - Why do you think people often put back on weight they lost while hiking? 01:22:57 - What are your thoughts on prioritizing strength training after a thru-hike? 01:26:05 - Do you work with athletes with eating disorders? 01:30:23 - Discussion about weight maintenance after a thru-hike. 01:31:52 - Do you have a rough guide to staying hydrated on trail? 01:34:35 - Discussion about adding salt to water. 01:36:56 - Do you think that electrolyte testing makes sense? 01:39:03 - Discussion about hyponatremia and ways to avoid it. 01:43:04 - What are the most common hydration mistakes made by endurance athletes? 01:44:02 - Do you recommend omega-3 supplements? 01:45:52 - What are your thoughts on CBD? 01:46:29 - What else do you recommend related to anti-inflammatory supplements? 01:48:30 - Thoughts on the chronic use of ibuprofen? 01:49:48 - Thoughts on protein supplements? 01:51:10 - Thoughts on a general multivitamin? 01:52:50 - Thoughts on sleep aids or recommended sleep supplements? 01:55:12 - Do you have thoughts on higher doses of magnesium? 01:56:26 - Do you have thoughts on dehydrated green juice? 01:57:57 - Discussion about nutrient and hormone testing. 02:02:20 - How can people work with you or Flatirons Integrative? 02:03:04 - Thank you! SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Appalachian Trail Shelter in NJ Temporarily Closed After Bear Tried to Enter Tent by Kelly Floro [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 13, 2022 · 2 hr 2 min

    #153 | AT Trail Days 2022: Thru-Hiker Interviews Part 2

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by goodr, we are joined by more AT Hiker Trash! This is volume II of our thru-hiker interviews from AT Trail Days 2022. This one concludes with a trail name origin story that is borderline too insane to believe. We wrap the show with some very sad news of a hiker's tragic fall from McAfee Knob, a Triple Crown of Passive Aggressive Statements Used in Work Emails, and how Badger's TRT plans almost fell through once again, as per tradition. Goodr: Use code "backpacker15" for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code "thetrek10" for 10% off Enlightened Equipment's Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code "point6trek" for 30% off point6.com. [divider] Interview with more current AT hikers! Time stamps & Questions 00:04:17 - QOTD: What was the highlight from your Memorial Day weekend? 00:11:10 - Interview with Take Three 00:19:29 - Interview with Ibex 00:25:32 - Interview with Nomad 00:33:10 - Interview with Turtle 00:38:09 - Interview with Pink and Flash 00:48:04 - Interview with Sweets 00:57:26 - Interview with Stove Top 01:05:55 - Interview with Dipper 01:14:47 - Interview with Fifty Cal 01:25:37 - Interview with Boston 01:31:52 - Interview with Smash SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda AT Hiker Who Fell from McAfee Knob Has Died, Authorities Confirm by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of passive aggressive statements used in work emails Mail Bag [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • Jun 6, 2022 · 2 hr 10 min

    #152 | Nancy East on her Smokies Map FKT, Search and Rescue, and New Book "Chasing the Smokies Moon"

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by goodr, we are joined by peakbagger, author, search and rescuer, and all around awesome human, Nancy East. We go through Nancy's impressive list of thru-hikes, how she manages all the backpacking with a family who only sometimes joins her, we chat in depth about her search and rescue experiences and what advice all hikers can glean from the perspective of someone trying to rescue you, and we learn all about Nancy's book "Chasing the Smokies Moon: An audacious 938-mile hike fueled by love, loss, laughter, and lunacy". As recent guest Caet Cash put it, Nancy East is a beast. On the trail, this is 100% true. In talking with Nancy, the opposite is the case- Nancy is one of the nicest people you'll ever encounter and we had a great time chatting with her. We wrap the show with some more highlights from Trail Days, the triple crown of board games, and that the first and biggest magazine for Backpackers is significantly scaling back its operations. Goodr: Use code "backpacker15" for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Organifi: Use code "backpacker" for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. [divider] Interview with Nancy East Nancy's Website Nancy's Book Nancy's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:38 - QOTD: What was your personal highlight on the last day of Trail Days? 00:16:02 - Introducing Nancy 00:16:43 - What's the origin story of your trail name? 00:18:55 - Was that event particularly stressful since you had your kids with you? 00:19:32 - How does Chaunce know Nancy? 00:20:22 - At what point did you learn of Nancy's legendary status? 00:21:54 - Tell us your trail resume. 00:23:56 - What advice do you have for someone who's looking to hike the Tahoe Rim Trail? 00:26:40 - Tell us about the Bartram Trail. 00:28:37 - Tell us about the Tour de LeConte. 00:29:38 - Do you leave your pack at the top or carry it the whole time? 00:30:51 - Tell us about setting the FKT on the Tour de LeConte. 00:31:54 - Is there a strategy to which trails you go up and which trails you go down? 00:34:05 - Bloody Mary check-in. 00:35:07 - Tell us about the Foothills Trail. 00:37:10 - How old were your kids when they hiked with you and how did they like the trail? 00:39:30 - Tell us about the Four Pass Loop. 00:42:14 - Tell us about the West Highland Way. 00:44:20 - Tell us about your blog. 00:45:36 - Tell us about the Tour du Mont Blanc. 00:48:10 - Tell us about the Trans Catalina Trail. 00:53:10 - Tell us about the Wonderland Trail. 00:54:39 - Tell us about the Timberline Trail. 00:56:05 - Tell us about the Palmetto Trail. 00:59:31 - Tell us a synopsis of your new book. 01:06:35 - Tell us more about how you got into search and rescue and lost person behavior. 01:10:08 - What are some of the most memorable rescues you've done? 01:14:14 - What are the most common traits of lost person behavior? 01:16:30 - Do you have strong thoughts about Gerry Largay? 01:18:40 - Give us some of the highlights and lowlights of your Smokies map hike. 01:23:04 - Did you know before the hike that you would write a book about it? 01:25:49 - How did you plan the hike? 01:28:18 - What food do you pick to bring to a lost person? 01:30:13 - Has anyone flirted with you during a rescue? 01:31:02 - What's the strategy for making kids love backpacking? 01:35:32 - What are the essential skills you've ensured your kids know? 01:37:30 - Are they proficient with navigation? 01:38:42 - Where can people find you? 01:39:16 - What adventures do you have coming up? 01:39:54 - Where can people find the book? 01:40:38 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Outside Ends Monthly Print Runs of Backpacker Magazine Amid Layoffs by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of board games Mail Bag 5 Star Review Dad Joke [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • May 30, 2022 · 2 hr 1 min

    #151 | AT Trail Days 2022: Thru-Hiker Interviews

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to by Goodr, we are joined by a gaggle of AT Hiker Trash. Today's episode comes to you from Trail Days, where we go through a series of rapid fire questions with hikers who are in the midst of their 2022 AT thru-hikes. This one is the predictable amount of chaos. We wrap the show joined alongside Mara and Leah for our favorite moments from the AT road trip, a triple crown of fast food restaurants, and a listener educates us on plant water. Goodr: Use code "backpacker15" for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Greenbelly: Use code "trek2022" for 10% off at greenbelly.co. Interviews with current AT hikers! Time stamps & Questions 00:04:47 - QOTD: What was your favorite moment from Trail Days Day 1? 00:16:48 - Scavenger hunt discussion 00:19:21 - Interview with Painkiller 00:24:35 - Interview with Platinum 00:32:14 - Interview with El Humidor and Footloose 00:44:10 - Interview with trek blogger Sidetrack 00:51:19 - Interview with trek blogger Catchup 00:59:51 - Interview with Good Zen 01:05:20 - Interview with Catchup 01:10:05 - Interview with Mindwell 01:16:02 - Interview with Ulasidena 01:21:05 - Interview with Mary Poppins SEGMENTS Triple Crown of fast food restaurants Listener Voicemail 5 Star Review Follow Leah and Mara on Instagram! [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • May 23, 2022 · 2 hr 7 min

    #150 | Caet Cash on Peak Bagging in the Appalachias, Southbounding, and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to you by Goodr, we are joined by Caet Cash. Caet first discovered backpacking back in 2014 and has been on an absolute tear ever since. We chat about why she prefers to hike SOBO, including some SOBO specific elements of both the AT and PCT, her insane list of peakbagging feats in the Adirondacks and southern Appalachians, redlining (aka mapping) the Smokies, and much more. Caet also details how her backcountry goals have shifted since being diagnosed with Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, how she manages EDS, and why she thinks it's important to be vocal about this chronic condition. We wrap the show with an overview of our AT road trip thus far including Chaunce's absurd sun burn, a triple crown of emotional high points on trail, a listener voicemail, and a listener educates us on the Philmont Poop Rating. Goodr: Use code "backpacker15" for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Greenbelly: Use code "trek2022" for 10% off at greenbelly.co. Interview with Caet Cash Caet's Instagram Article about Caet & the SB6K Time stamps & Questions 00:04:32 - QOTD: What's been the best part of the road trip thus far? 00:14:53 - Introducing Caet 00:15:10 - Discussion about Caet's trail name. 00:16:03 - What's the origin of your trail name? 00:18:37 - How mad are you going to be about Zach's pronunciation of Appalachian? 00:19:02 - Do you remember where you first met Zach? 00:21:07 - Tell us your backpacking resume. 00:22:45 - Tell us about the Northville Placid Trail. 00:24:26 - What's the best season to do the Northville Placid Trail? 00:25:45 - Do most people start in Northville? 00:26:00 - What type of wildlife do you see? 00:27:05 - Have you done any of the Finger Lakes Trail? 00:27:52 - What put the Appalachian Trail on your radar and why did you choose southbound? 00:29:19 - Was your marathon pain related to your future diagnosis? 00:30:10 - Anything else you want to share from the AT? 00:32:25 - Chaunce's story. 00:34:52 - At one point did you feel like you got into the hiking rhythm? 00:38:20 - Does any part of the trail feel hard after you've completed the Whites? 00:39:30 - Anything else you want to share from the CT? 00:40:36 - Tell us about connecting your footsteps on the PCT. 00:43:54 - How did you decide to go southbound on the PCT? 00:44:30 - How did you handle sleeping alone? 00:46:35 - How many times have you seen bears at night? 00:47:30 - Discussion of purism differences between the AT and PCT. 00:48:35 - When did you finish the PCT and what was the Sierra like? 00:50:15 - Tell us about what you thought of the PCT views and scenery. 00:52:02 - Do you prefer the scenery of the AT? 00:53:20 - Do you think list-making is more of a personality trait of people in the Northeast? 00:54:11 - Tell us about the South Beyond 6,000 grid. 00:55:36 - Can you give us more detail on the SB6K guidelines? 00:57:14 - What's your strategy in accomplishing the SB6K? 00:58:14 - How do you hike all of them in a month? 00:59:25 - What are your top 3 favorite peaks from the SB6K? 01:00:49 - Tell us about the Adirondack 46. 01:02:03 - How many of the SB6K peaks are accessible from or on the AT? 01:03:03 - Have you done Mt. Rogers? 01:03:47 - If there's no view, is the appeal strictly accomplishing the list? 01:04:20 - Has anyone else done the SB6K grid? 01:07:02 - Tell us about redlining the Smokies. 01:09:12 - How much do you have to plan for a redlining project versus winging it? 01:09:41 - Are there any resources for helping someone plan a redline? 01:10:45 - How long did it take you to redline the Smokies? 01:11:44 - Tell us about your hip injury. 01:16:01 - Tell us about Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. 01:18:19 - Have you ever dislocated your shoulder? 01:19:01 - What differentiates this disease from someone with other flexibility or hypermobility? 01:19:41 - How do you cope with or reduce chronic pain? 01:22:22 - How has EDS modified your future plans or goals? 01:24:29 - How common is EDS? 01:25:51 - What else in your lifestyle has changed to pursue your health goals? 01:27:18 - Has it been tough to recalibrate your goals? 01:28:28 - Did you ever wonder if your pain was similar to other hikers'? 01:29:58 - Would cycling be a possible activity for you? 01:31:52 - Tell us about your sister and hiking with her. 01:32:55 - What's your big 3 these days? 01:34:14 - Hype up van life for us. 01:36:18 - What do you want to share about guiding? 01:37:12 - How did you like working with Jennifer Pharr Davis? 01:38:00 - Anything else you want to share? 01:39:08 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Woman Rescued After Falling Headfirst Into Pit Toilet Trying to Retrieve Phone by Penina Satlow Triple Crown of emotional high points on trail Listener Voicemail Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound g uy@Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.

  • May 16, 2022 · 2 hr 1 min

    #149 | Darwin on Quitting YouTube, Advice to Aspiring Vloggers, and What Lies Ahead

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by YouTube sensation, Darwin. We learn all about Darwin's rise to fame, including the turning point from when he went from a novice content creator to a full-blown trail celebrity, his advice to aspiring YouTube trail personalities, and why he ultimately fell out of love with the platform. We also learn about Darwin's new media company, Outdoor Evolution, and the plethora of projects currently coming from OE, and what lies ahead. We wrap the show by sharing the news of a gent who's about to finish walking around the world with his pup and we opine on whether we'd rather have a boring, stupid, or ugly offspring. Gossamer Gear: Use code "littledonkeygirl" for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Organifi: Use code "backpacker" for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Greenbelly: Use code "trek2022" for 10% off at greenbelly.co. Interview with Darwin Darwin's Youtube Channel Darwin Goodbye Trek Article + Goodbye Video Outdoor Evolution Time stamps & Questions 00:04:25 - QOTD: Would you rather have a boring, stupid, or ugly kid? 00:06:57 - BPR Announcements: The Trek's Featured TikTok Personality 00:08:08 - Introducing Darwin 00:08:37 - What was your life pre-dirtbag adventuring? 00:09:52 - Was there one trip you saw as the tipping point to altering your lifestyle? 00:13:56 - Tell us about the timeline of leaving home. 00:14:35 - Tell us about the initial intentions of the trail. 00:16:50 - Do you think leaving the AT and returning later prepared you for future trips? 00:18:47 - When does the Youtube channel enter the picture? 00:22:46 - Was there a particular moment when the channel became something you thought you could make a career out of? 00:25:27 - Tell us about living and working in Albuquerque. 00:26:45 - What's the strangest hobby you've gotten into? 00:28:20 - Tell us about owning a restaurant. 00:29:10 - Are you a big fan of the blues? 00:30:04 - What are the top three things you would never dabble in? 00:31:40 - Tell us about cycling and bike-packing. 00:36:04 - Why do you think your bike-packing videos didn't take off? 00:36:55 - Is adventure touring more trail or more road? 00:38:58 - How is your injury affecting your upcoming plans? 00:38:33 - Do you mind if I ask how old you are? 00:40:07 - What was the next big hike after the AT? 00:41:03 - How did you like the Pinhoti Trail? 00:42:48 - What kind of miles are you usually hiking per day? 00:44:42 - How did your channel interface with your PCT hike? 00:48:50 - Discussion about the turning point in popularity for the channel. 00:52:43 - Can you elaborate on the closure you sought on the CDT? 01:00:56 - If you had any general advice to someone interested in growing a Youtube channel, what would you tell them? 01:05:24 - Did you develop a thicker skin toward internet comments as you made more videos? 01:09:08 - Tell us about Outdoor Evolution. 01:14:58 - How do you decide how to allocate your time? 01:16:45 - Tell us about the structure of OE. 01:17:55 - Do you and your wife plan to have any children? 01:21:35 - Tell us more about current OE projects. 01:26:25 - How much are you looking to fundraise for your public lands series? 01:27:36 - How big is your production team? 01:28:58 - Give us a sneak peak of each episode. 01:30:01 - Tell us about the other upcoming projects you have going on this year. 01:33:22 - Anything else you want to share? 01:35:12 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Tom Turcich (and His Pup) Set to Complete 7-Year Around-the-World Walk Next Month by Clay Bonnyman Evans Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail by Clay Bonnyman Evans Triple Crown of unlikely spaces where humans become savagely territorial Impromptu News Story Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.