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AI is reshaping the world at a pace humanity has never seen, and the real challenge is not simply understanding the technology. It is learning how to remain deeply human while everything around us accelerates.

Authentic & Agentic is the place where leaders come to make sense of that tension. Hosted by serial entrepreneur Jayson Manship, the show pairs clear analysis with honest conversation and real examples you can put into practice. Every episode looks at how AI shows up in the real world, from boardrooms to classrooms to kitchen tables, and explores what it means to build, lead and love in a time shaped by algorithms.

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Tuesday · 1 hr 12 min
ONOW Ascent CEO Matt Wallace on the Day Two app, ChatGPT in Word and data center tax breaks
Host Jayson Manship breaks down the latest artificial intelligence news and sits down with philanthropic entrepreneur Matt Wallace on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship details ChatGPT being integrated directly into Microsoft Word and compares it to Anthropic consolidating Claude tools into a single desktop application. He analyzes contrasting approaches to AI in education, comparing student bans in New York City and Los Angeles with Indiana's balanced guidance model and bipartisan social media restrictions. He also discusses the Indianapolis Metropolitan Development Commission approving a $240 million tax abatement for a Decatur Township data center shortly after voting to pause data center construction. Wallace, co-founder of ONOW Ascent, joins the podcast to discuss his 15 years in Myanmar leading small business coaching in frontier markets across Southeast Asia and Africa. He breaks down how AI collapses the cost of organizing financial data and introduces Day Two, a context-driven app that helps micro-entrepreneurs turn receipts, voice notes and spreadsheets into usable financial records without relying on an empty chat box. The episode concludes with Wallace reflecting on raising his family overseas, relocating to Carmel and building software that serves 300 million invisible small businesses globally.
September 14 · 32 min
Jayson Manship on the Indianapolis data center pause, Claude math proofs and workforce trends
Host Jayson Manship returns from hiatus to share operational updates and analyze major technological shifts on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship explains his brief absence, detailing a family vacation to Amsterdam, a keynote address at a San Antonio restoration conference and severe flooding in his hometown of Noblesville. He shares how his wife Amanda is stepping back from day-to-day operations at Moonshot, leading the business to implement Gino Wickman's Entrepreneurial Operating System with a custom AI backend. He also announces expanded show operations, including a second studio and additional catch-up episodes.In the news segment, Manship analyzes rapid model releases from Google and OpenAI, alongside Anthropic's Claude generating a 13-million-line computer-checked proof of Fermat's last theorem. He breaks down a Stanford study on shrinking entry-level opportunities, a six-to-zero vote by the Indianapolis Metropolitan Development Commission to pause data center development and a TechPoint survey showing 78% of surveyed Indiana workers use AI daily despite a lack of formal employer training.
July 22 · 31 min
Best of Authentic and Agentic: Eli Lilly AI, Notre Dame ethics and the Reset Act
Host Jayson Manship looks back at the most impactful conversations on artificial intelligence, business and education in this special best-of episode of Authentic and Agentic. The episode begins with leaders from Eli Lilly detailing how the global pharmaceutical company built a foundational artificial intelligence strategy focused on experimentation, governance and upskilling executives. They highlight a specific partnership with Purdue University that requires senior leaders to complete hands-on technology capstone projects. Manship then revisits a conversation with Megan Sullivan and Adam Kronk from the Institute for Ethics and the Common Good at Notre Dame University. The two philosophers explore the cognitive risks of outsourcing human tasks to technology, comparing reliance on AI to using GPS for navigation. They also warn against the moral dangers of anthropomorphizing tools and treating chatbots like real people. The second half of the episode focuses on protecting children in the digital age. Indiana Secretary of Education Dr. Katie Jenner breaks down state efforts to require parental permission for social media users under the age of 16 and eliminate addictive app features designed for dopamine hits. Finally, U.S. Congresswoman Erin Houchin shares her personal experiences as a parent and discusses her federal legislative push to regulate AI chatbots and update 1996 internet age restrictions through the Aware Act, Safe Bots Act and Reset Act.
July 16 · 34 min
The midyear AI space race, Claude for coding and Perplexity's Comet browser
Host Jayson Manship breaks down the six major artificial intelligence models currently dominating the market on this solo episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship reviews ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Grok, Microsoft Copilot and Perplexity, offering a practical guide to help listeners choose the best tool for their specific workflows. The episode explores a massive five-week period of midyear updates, including Anthropic releasing Claude Fable 5, the $1.25 trillion merger between X AI and SpaceX to ship Grok 4.5, and OpenAI launching ChatGPT 5.6. Manship analyzes data from the Stanford AI index and blind voting leaderboards, highlighting how automated agents have improved their success rates on real-world tasks to 77% over the past year. He also notes that the artificial intelligence quality gap between the United States and China has shrunk to 2.7%. Manship shares his personal recommendations for the best tool for every job, advising business leaders to avoid tribal loyalty and rent rather than marry their software. He explains why Anthropic's Claude remains the undisputed leader for software coding, why Grok is best for real-time news and how the new Perplexity Comet agentic browser is paying content publishers through a revenue share pool. The episode concludes with a preview of next week's best-of episode while Manship takes a family trip to a Magic the Gathering convention in Amsterdam.
July 7 · 1 hr 25 min
How to build a custom AI supply app with Claude Co-work
Host Jayson Manship steps away from the standard interview format for a hands-on solo episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship walks listeners through the real-time process of building a custom artificial intelligence application to solve a specific operational problem for his business, Moonshot Games. Using Claude Co-work and the new Fable 5 model, Manship codes a web application to manage supply reordering across the company's Noblesville and Plainfield locations. The episode details how to use voice dictation to outline a project scope and let automated software agents connect a Supabase database, Google authentication, Netlify hosting and a GitHub repository. Manship breaks down the technical hurdles of the build, including troubleshooting GitHub deployment errors and configuring Slack webhooks. He emphasizes that business leaders do not need an engineering degree to create custom software, demonstrating how taking screenshots of errors can help AI agents fix their own code in just over an hour.
July 1 · 1 hr 14 min
Entrepreneur John Hurley on AI token pricing, Exact Target and the AI jobs rhetoric
Host Jayson Manship breaks down the latest artificial intelligence news on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship explores an Axios report detailing how technology executives are backtracking on claims that artificial intelligence will cause a white-collar worker bloodbath. He also discusses Anthropic's new Claude Sonnet 5 model and highlights a bipartisan coalition led by former Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb and Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo aimed at preparing the American workforce for an automated economy. Serial entrepreneur John Hurley joins the podcast to share his 20-year business journey. Hurley details his early days building websites in 1999, a path that led him to create the first database for Angie's List and take equity in Exact Target before it became Salesforce. He also opens up about the difficult lessons he learned from building and eventually selling a massive technology-focused pickleball facility in Fishers. The conversation dives into Hurley's newest venture, Walleta, a platform designed to help artificial intelligence startups manage tokenization and usage-based pricing. Hurley explains how the software connects with upstream providers like ElevenLabs and AWS to show developers their true cost of goods sold, helping business owners avoid massive unexpected API bills. The episode concludes with Hurley comparing the AI revolution to accountants adopting computers, emphasizing how the technology will ultimately level the playing field for small businesses
June 23 · 1 hr 28 min
InnovateMap CEO Mike Reynolds on outcome-based pricing, AI tools and the tech race
Host Jayson Manship explores the growing gap between artificial intelligence usage and public trust on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship breaks down a Pew Research study revealing that while chatbot usage is up, many young adults view the technology negatively. He also analyzes a New York Times report on the shrinking AI quality gap between the United States and China and highlights a new state initiative to prepare the Indiana workforce for an automated economy. Mike Reynolds, CEO of the Indianapolis digital product agency InnovateMap, joins the podcast to discuss the evolving world of software design. Reynolds explains his firm's shift to an agile, outcome-based pricing model 13 years ago, moving away from traditional hourly billing. He breaks down the critical difference between engineering a product correctly and designing the right product for consumers. The conversation delves into practical AI adoption in the workplace. Reynolds shares how InnovateMap fosters a culture of innovation through a weekly Monday morning AI show-and-tell session for employees rather than a top-down mandate. He warns business leaders against using automated tools to accelerate fundamentally flawed user experiences, emphasizing the need for strong brand foundations. The episode wraps up with Reynolds sharing his thoughts on preserving human companionship, managing screen time and finding joy in hobbies like playing Magic the Gathering.
June 16 · 1 hr 20 min
IU leaders on the AI opportunity gap, the future of AI and Higher Ed
Host Jayson Manship explores the intersection of artificial intelligence and education on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship details the massive SpaceX initial public offering and the company's vertically integrated AI infrastructure. He also analyzes the U.S. government asking Anthropic to restrict foreign access to its Fable 5 and Mythos 5 models, alongside McDonald's testing new Google-powered AI drive-thru systems. Indiana University leaders Anne Leftwich and Brian Williams join the podcast to discuss rolling out artificial intelligence curriculum to more than 110,000 students and staff. They detail the creation of Gen AI 101, a practical video course initiated by IU President Pam Whitten that features a CGI co-teacher named Crimson. The group explores the challenges of campus adoption, including student fears of cheating accusations and the risk of a widening technological opportunity gap. Williams highlights how the Kelly School of Business is requiring two new AI courses for incoming freshmen to level the playing field. Leftwich also shares how she uses Google NotebookLM to generate custom audio podcasts for her daily commute. The episode concludes with a preview of next week's interview with product design leaders from InnovateMap.
June 10 · 1 hr 25 min
Bounce.fm founder Jeb Banner on AI fog, teaching Claude to meditate and the OpenAI IPO
Host Jayson Manship breaks down the latest artificial intelligence news and sits down with serial entrepreneur Jeb Banner on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship explores OpenAI officially filing for an IPO and transitioning from a research lab to answering Wall Street investors. He also analyzes the rollout of Apple Intelligence and Anthropic's decision to release its powerful Fable 5 model after previous safety delays. Banner joins the show to discuss his entrepreneurial journey and his latest venture, Bounce.fm, a platform designed to help music creators finish projects and connect directly with fans. He shares his process of using AI coding tools like Claude and Cursor to build the software. Banner also details the unique experience of creating a local memory file for his AI agent, teaching it to meditate and asking it to write a poem. The conversation dives into the shadow side of technology, with Banner emphasizing the massive energy demands of AI data centers. He highlights the urgent need for new intellectual property models, similar to ASCAP or BMI, to protect musicians whose work is used to train AI tools like Suno. The episode concludes with a discussion on avoiding "AI fog" to manage the mental toll of switching contexts between multiple automated workflows.
June 2 · 38 min
Apple AI glasses, Nvidia Cosmos 3 and the AI opportunity problem
Host Jayson Manship explores the rapid acceleration of artificial intelligence and the personal toll of limitless creation on this solo episode of the Authentic and Agentic podcast. In the news segment, Manship breaks down rumors surrounding Apple's upcoming AI glasses and Nvidia's new Cosmos 3 model designed for physical robots and autonomous vehicles. He also details the race for trillion-dollar IPO valuations from tech companies Anthropic, OpenAI and SpaceX. Manship peels back the curtain on his own recent challenges as an entrepreneur, describing what he calls the AI opportunity problem. He explains how tools like Claude, ChatGPT and Replit have removed traditional business constraints, allowing him to quickly build custom applications and workflows. However, this limitless ability to create has led to a backlog of 35 unfinished apps and friction with employees who struggle to adopt the new systems without proper documentation and training. The episode explores the addictive nature of building software and the importance of preventing burnout. Manship questions if AI is simply amplifying his existing strengths and weaknesses as a leader, emphasizing the need to step away from the computer, spend time with family and return to hobbies.
May 26 · 43 min
Ground Game CEO Aman Brar on mind fitness centers, K-pop robots and technical founders
Host Jayson Manship explores the balance between artificial intelligence and human tradition on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship details a new encyclical from the Pope focused on human dignity, autonomous warfare and keeping tech companies morally accountable. He also discusses a fully AI-driven entertainment park in South Korea featuring robot K-pop dancers and shares his thoughts on preserving human connection at the Indianapolis 500. Aman Brar, leader of the venture capital firm Ground Game, joins the podcast from the IBJ Power Education Breakfast. Brar discusses the intersection of AI and learning, suggesting that schools must evolve into fitness centers for the mind to prevent cognitive decline as technology advances. He also emphasizes the changing role of teachers, comparing future educators to athletic coaches for the mind. The conversation shifts to the venture capital landscape and the Indiana startup ecosystem. Brar advises founders to adopt an abundance mindset and focus on solving deep, complex problems rather than just building simple AI prototypes over a weekend. He explains the ongoing need for technical co-founders, comparing modern software startups to the early days of Apple. The episode concludes with a recap of the IBJ event, featuring insights from former Purdue University President Mitch Daniels on the future of four-year colleges.
May 19 · 54 min
How to build an AI podcast app with Claude, Replit and Whisper
Host Jayson Manship steps away from the standard interview format to build a custom artificial intelligence application in real time on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship details how he uses tools like Claude Co-work and Replit to code an internal web platform for the IBJ Media Podcast Network. The episode provides a step-by-step guide to using voice dictation to outline a project scope and letting automated software agents design the database and user interface. Manship explains how the new application ingests RSS feeds, uses OpenAI Wispr to transcribe audio files and automatically generates cross-promotional topic suggestions for network hosts. He also details the technical process of chunking audio files to bypass the 25-megabyte size limit on OpenAI. Manship breaks down the exact operational costs of the project, noting the initial software build cost $7.82 and took less than an hour to complete. The conversation also covers the ongoing dispute between Replit and Apple regarding app store restrictions. Manship concludes by challenging business leaders to start using artificial intelligence to build custom software solutions for their own organizations.
May 12 · 1 hr 25 min
Thumbprint CEO Tom Rector on founder mode, enterprise merch and AI lawsuits
Host Jayson Manship explores the legal and social implications of artificial intelligence on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship details how courts are increasingly treating chatbot conversations as discoverable legal evidence, referencing the ongoing lawsuit between Elon Musk and OpenAI. He also discusses a Cambridge University study on AI-powered toys for toddlers and the growing role of corporate financial officers in making major technology decisions. Tom Rector, founder and CEO of Thumbprint, joins the podcast to share his entrepreneurial journey from selling shirts in college to leading a 103-person company that manages enterprise merchandise for Fortune 100 businesses. Rector details how Thumbprint stands out in a saturated industry by focusing on custom software integrations, direct product sourcing and clean customer data. The conversation dives into modern leadership and automation. Rector breaks down his approach to founder mode, emphasizing the importance of staying in the daily details of a functional organization without micromanaging employees. The episode concludes with a look at how Thumbprint uses AI to fix data mapping issues, streamline e-commerce orders and prepare for the eventual integration of automated warehouse robots.
May 5 · 52 min
TechPoint Mira Awards on Indiana tech, the OpenAI lawsuit and Claude Code
Host Jayson Manship explores the future of artificial intelligence and local innovation on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship breaks down Elon Musk's lawsuit against Sam Altman regarding OpenAI's shift to a for-profit model. He also details how he used Claude Code to build custom software and replace expensive third-party Shopify applications for his e-commerce business. Additionally, Manship highlights the importance of human connection in local podcasting following a dinner with IBJ Media hosts. The episode features rapid-fire backstage interviews with winners at the TechPoint Mira Awards at the Palladium in Carmel. Manship speaks with Indiana technology leaders moments after they received their awards to discuss their innovations and integration of artificial intelligence. The interviews cover a wide range of organizations and industries. Highlights include Indiana University's massive Gen AI 101 course, Flexware Innovation's software for autonomous vehicles, FiberX's agricultural bio-refining and Syra Health's AI chatbot for rural behavioral healthcare.
April 28 · 1 hr 4 min
Megan Ewing, from First Maker Space on adapting to AI, 3D printing and the OpenAI lawsuit
Host Jayson Manship explores the legal battle between Elon Musk and Sam Altman over the future of OpenAI on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship compares the global artificial intelligence space race to the Manhattan Project, emphasizing the urgent need for technology governance as models scale at unprecedented speeds. Megan Ewing, director of secondary education at First Maker Space, joins the podcast to discuss the vital role of hands-on learning. Ewing details how schools and libraries use 3D printers, laser cutters and STEM kits to teach students the engineering design process and allow them a safe place to fail. She shares her initial fears of AI replacing jobs, explaining her organization's ultimate decision to embrace a mindset to adapt, move or die. The conversation covers the integration of AI in education, highlighting the development of custom chatbots and new online courses for teachers. Ewing and Manship also discuss the importance of preserving human connection in classrooms, protecting student privacy and encouraging children to build physical items rather than just consuming digital content
April 21 · 1 hr 31 min
Sisyphean Gridworks on Google grid strategies, data centers and crypto AI bots
Host Jayson Manship explores the collision of artificial intelligence and the American power industry on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship breaks down Anthropic's new Claude Design tool and a humanoid robot breaking a human half-marathon record. He also shares insights from a Memphis restoration summit, encouraging business leaders to build automated workflows rather than just chatting with AI. Adam Brown, founder and CEO of Sisyphean Gridworks, joins the show to discuss the massive energy demands of big tech data centers. Brown explains why the electric grid still operates on a 19th-century framework and how utilities can adopt Google's Site Reliability Engineering to prevent power outages. He highlights the push for onsite power generation, including natural gas and solar, to support the AI space race. The conversation dives into Brown's personal software builds, detailing how he uses Mac minis and Claude to run autonomous crypto trading bots and manage his daily emails. Brown also shares the story of an Indianapolis union electrician who built the EV ChargeRight app using AI without any coding experience. The episode wraps up with Brown's warning about quantum computing and the future of global cybersecurity encryption.
April 14 · 1 hr 8 min
ITIA panel on state AI laws, data center debates and digital authenticity
Host Jayson Manship records from Memphis, Tennessee, to discuss state-level technology policy on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship interviews three board members from the Indiana Technology and Innovation Association: Executive Director Jen Hallowell, John Wechsler of Spokenote and Zach Carstensen of Salesforce. The group details Indiana's deliberate approach to artificial intelligence regulation. They explain why state lawmakers are waiting for federal standards rather than creating a patchwork of local laws and highlight the state's proactive push for K-12 AI education led by Secretary of Education Dr. Katie Jenner. The conversation also explores the push for massive AI data centers. The guests discuss how the state is working to attract tech infrastructure while protecting residential utility ratepayers and managing water resources. The panel concludes with a debate on preserving human authenticity in an increasingly automated world
April 7 · 1 hr 15 min
Elevate Ventures CEO Toph Day on Indiana venture capital, rebuilding SaaS and Apple AI
Host Jayson Manship breaks down the latest artificial intelligence news and sits down with Elevate Ventures CEO Christopher "Toph" Day on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship explores reports that Anthropic paused its new Mythos model over cybersecurity risks. He also analyzes Apple's strategy to train on-device AI using podcasts, Netflix's shift toward dynamic content and Anthropic's move to restrict third-party tools like OpenClaw. Day joins the show to discuss the difference between venture capital and venture development. He details how Elevate Ventures has deployed $194 million across 626 companies to help create 9,000 direct jobs with an average salary of $96,000. Day also highlights the massive economic impact of the global Rally innovation conference in Indianapolis. The conversation shifts to the future of the software industry, with Day advising founders to rebuild applications using modern AI technology. He emphasizes Indiana's opportunity to lead the physical economy through advanced manufacturing and new data centers. The episode concludes with Day's warning about the destructive effects of social media on children and a preview of next week's interview with Indiana Technology and Innovation Association leaders.
March 31 · 40 min
Axios AI summit on Meta lawsuits, Lockheed Martin and Apple app rules
Host Jayson Manship brings listeners inside the Axios AI summit in Washington to discuss the collision of technology and government on this solo episode of Authentic and Agentic. Manship breaks down a landmark Los Angeles court ruling that found Meta and Google liable for a user's mental health issues, comparing the tech industry's current regulatory moment to historic lawsuits against tobacco companies. The episode explores the push by big tech to treat artificial intelligence as a national industrial project. Manship highlights insights from Meta executive Dena Powell McCormack, who predicts a global need for 500,000 electricians over the next two years to build AI infrastructure. He also shares takeaways from Craig Martell, chief technology officer for Lockheed Martin, who defines AI as statistics at scale and explains the concept of an error envelope in national defense. Manship examines the tension between software builders and distribution gatekeepers, detailing Adobe's approach to intellectual property and Replit's ongoing dispute with Apple.
March 24 · 1 hr 14 min
Dr. Katie Jenner on AI in Indiana schools, cell phone bans and social media laws.
Host Jayson Manship discusses the balance between artificial intelligence and human connection on this episode of Authentic and Agentic. In the news segment, Manship shares how he built a personal AI assistant using Claude and Replit to manage his calendar, daily briefings and family meal planning. He also explores the limits of AI humor and the value of live music.Indiana Secretary of Education Dr. Katie Jenner joins the podcast to break down recent state legislation affecting students. Jenner details a new law requiring parental permission for children under 16 to use major social media apps and a tightened bell-to-bell ban on cell phones during classroom instructional time. The conversation highlights how Indiana schools are adapting to the technology boom. Jenner explains the integration of AI tutoring tools like Khanmigo, a new data science graduation pathway for high school students and how universities like Purdue are mandating AI competency. Manship concludes by previewing an upcoming trip to Washington for a national AI summit.

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