Another Way, by Lawrence Lessig

Lawrence Lessig

Through interviews with politicians, journalists, activists, and the latest and greatest names in the fight to restore our democracy, the Another Way podcast explores the plans and policies for returning power to the people.

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20 episodes
Updated July 30

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July 30 · 1 hr 6 min
S8E6: Oral Arguments
On July 29th, 2026, our legal team, led by Neal Katyal, argued in front of the First Circuit Court of Appeals in our case that could end SuperPACs. On this episode, we air the full audio of the oral arguments. Listen closely to how seriously the judges grapple with our argument.
July 23 · 33 min
S8E5: Christopher Robertson
On this episode, Lessig speaks with Christopher Robertson, who serves as both a law professor at Boston University School Of Law and Professor of Health Law, Policy & Management in the Boston University School of Public Health. Robertson authored a study empirically assessing at what levels of contributions the public perceives the appearance of corruption. This work is essential evidence in our lawsuit to end SuperPACs and the two discuss the results in detail.
July 22 · 1 hr 10 min
S8E4: Jonathan Gienapp
On this episode, Lessig speaks with Jonathan Gienapp, an associate professor of history and law at Stanford University. The two discuss whether the original meaning of the First Amendment gives the people of Maine — or the U.S. Congress — the ability to limit the size of contributions to SuperPACs. Spoiler: The answer is yes.
July 19 · 43 min
S8E3: Courtney Hostetler
On this episode, Lessig speaks with Courtney Hostetler, the Legal Director for Free Speech For People. Free Speech For People is the organization that showed Lessig the critical legal argument that could end SuperPACs, and the two outline this argument in detail. For more information about Free Speech For People, visit: https://freespeechforpeople.org
July 17 · 45 min
S8E2: Rick Bennett
In this episode, Lessig speaks with Rick Bennett, a former Republican state senator from Maine who is currently running for governor as an Independent. Bennett has long been instrumental in the fight against big money in politics in Maine and is an intervenor alongside Equal Citizens in the case that could end SuperPACs. The two discuss why it is so critical that we change the corrupt status quo.
July 15 · 8 min
S8E1: Introduction
Announcing the new season of Another Way — this time with video (finally)! This season will unpack key arguments in our court case that could end SuperPACs. You won't want to miss it.
February 25 · 1 hr 21 min
S7E8: One Year In - Is There More Common Ground
In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn continue the conversation, discussing the hot-button issues shaping the start of 2026. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Jul 1, 2025 · 53 min
S7E7: Continuing The Conversation
The latest (and penultimate) episode of Season 7, continuing the conversation with Ben Hepburn. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
May 13, 2025 · 51 min
S7E6: Pulling It All Together
Pulling it all together, Lessig asks his high school friend Ben Hepburn: How can you defend this? Listen to the conversation, and the common ground that gets built. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Apr 28, 2025 · 1 hr 4 min
S7E5: Strategy of Extortion
In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss what Lessig has elsewhere described as Trumps strategy of extortion — illegal threats to force compliance by every institution that might resist him. (Plus a quick trip to Vietnam, and the promise of a brand new Trump resort!) Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Apr 19, 2025 · 1 hr 5 min
S7E4: Tariffs
In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss the tariffs. Is there some point at which MAGA supporters call uncle? Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Mar 12, 2025 · 58 min
S7E3: Ukraine, DOGE and RFK Jr.
Lessig's conversation with Ben Hepburn continues, this time about Ukraine, DOGE and RFKJr
Feb 14, 2025 · 1 hr
S7E2: Continuing a Conversation with Ben Hepburn
In this second episode, Ben Hepburn and Lessig continue to see where we can find common ground in our understanding of the current administration. Are we on the left too pessimistic? Is the other side too optimistic? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Jan 29, 2025 · 50 min
S7E1: Common Ground?
In this season, Lessig will have a conversation with Ben Hepburn, a friend from high school, whose politics is not Lessig's. The plan for the season is to check in regularly about the latest questions raised by the new Trump administration, and see whether a conservative and a liberal can find common ground, or even just understanding. This first episode was recorded just before in Inauguration. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Nov 10, 2024 · 1 hr 34 min
S6: Special Election Episode
On this episode (recorded before Tuesday's election), Lessig is joined by his colleagues Matthew A. Seligman (Stris & Maher), Ned Foley (Moritz College of Law, The Ohio State), and Derek Muller (Notre Dame Law School) to discuss what could (have) happen(ed) in the period after Election Day and before the counting of electoral votes.
Sep 26, 2024 · 44 min
S6E9: What Then?
In this episode, Lessig outlines what happens if Maine passes Question 1. What are the next steps, and the arguments that will get us to the Supreme Court — and to victory!
Sep 25, 2024 · 29 min
S6E8: The Campaign in Maine
On this episode, Lessig describes the campaign in Maine. The legislature chose to let the people decide whether to vote against SuperPACs in Maine — and if upheld, the nation. This episode discusses that campaign, and the risks it faces. Check out the website of the campaign at CitizensToEndSuperPACS.org.
Sep 21, 2024 · 28 min
S6E7: The Legislature Decides
On this episode, Lessig keeps the story going. We got the signatures. The next step was that the Maine legislature needed to decide whether it would pass the initiative into law itself, or let it go to the ballot. This episode is the story of the legislative hearing, and its decision on how to handle the initiative.
Sep 20, 2024 · 24 min
S6E6: The Race to Gather Signatures
On this episode, Lessig chronicles the next chapter in the story of the Maine initiative. We had an idea — based on FreeSpeechForPeople’s brilliant argument — for an initiative. And Mainers were excited about the idea. A poll showed overwhelming support for the initiative. We just needed to raise the funds to get the signatures gathered. That proved to be an enormous challenge — unsurprisingly, as our theory of victory included convincing the Supreme Court we were right. This episode tells the s
Sep 19, 2024 · 26 min
S6E5: The Origins of the Initiative
On this episode, Lessig details how we got to this initiative that could end Super PACs: FreeSpeechForPeople.org’s brilliant argument, and the decision to take that argument into the field and win!