All Things Sustainable

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Tune in to All Things Sustainable, a podcast from S&P Global (formerly ESG Insider). Each week we explore the critical sustainability topics transforming the business landscape. Join us every Friday for engaging interviews with global leaders and clear explanations of the latest sustainability headlines.

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Jul 16, 2021 · 18 min
What EU's proposed green bond standards could mean for market
The EU has proposed a European Green Bond Standard as part of its strategy to drive investment into sustainable finance and achieve net zero carbon emissions by 2050. The new rules will also aim to protect investors from greenwashing, which is when an investment is made to sound greener than it is. Although they represent a tiny fraction of the overall debt market, green bonds — debt that finances environmentally friendly projects such as wind farms or solar power — have grown rapidly over the last eight years, from virtually nothing in 2012 to nearly $300 billion in 2020. The EU is counting on further growth in the market to meet the targets in its European Green Deal, designed to mobilize at least €1 trillion of sustainable investment over the next 10 years. The rules will be tougher than other existing green bond guidelines because issuers will have to prove their green bonds are financing projects in line with the EU's "green taxonomy," a dictionary of sustainable activities. In this episode, we speak to Climate Bonds Initiative CEO Sean Kidney, who was part of an advisory group that helped shape the new rules. Regulation has "been right from the beginning, a feature of the development of the market. Issuers have followed the regulations, and it's grown to be a very large successful market," he tells us. Listen to our episode on the EU's green taxonomy: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5b3qx805nauyVGvcJo9Wsr Photo credit: Getty Images
Jul 9, 2021 · 17 min
The new task force in town: TNFD co-chair talks biodiversity goals
The world's biodiversity is in peril and its loss poses big financial risks to businesses and the global economy. More than half of the world's economic output — or about $44 trillion — is moderately or highly dependent on nature, according to the World Economic Forum. Moreover, the collapse of biodiverse ecosystems could hurt global GDP by $2.7 trillion annually by 2030, the World Bank warns in a new report. Until recently, biodiversity loss was rarely viewed as a substantial risk to corporations. But that is changing and a new task force has been formed to help companies and financial institutions better understand the scope of the risk. The Task Force on Nature-related Financial Disclosures, or TNFD, aims to create a voluntary framework that companies can use to assess their nature-related risks and opportunities. In this episode, we talk with Elizabeth Mrema, who is co-chair of the TNFD, about the goals of the task force, how she envisions them being implemented and how biodiversity is inherently linked to climate change.
Jul 2, 2021 · 17 min
How Cousteau's grandson is bringing oceans to ESG investors
More than 50 years ago, explorer Jacques Cousteau introduced millions of viewers to the marvels of the undersea world. In 2021, the ESG world is increasingly focused on biodiversity, and the oceans are a big part of that picture. Goods and services from the world's oceans and coasts are worth at least $2.5 trillion annually, while the overall value of the ocean as an asset is at least 10 times that amount, according to a 2015 estimate from the WWF. In this week's episode, we interview Cousteau's grandson, Philippe, the co-founder of a nonprofit called EarthEcho International that works on ocean health. "It's important to start thinking about a restoration ethic and returning the oceans to abundance," says Philippe. "For far too long, the environmental movement has been a movement of deprivation and doom and gloom. It has not been enough of a movement of opportunity and hope." We also hear from Doug Heske, CEO of impact investing company Newday Impact that has teamed up with Philippe to promote ocean restoration, especially among younger investors. And we interview fund manager Paul Buchwitz from one of Germany's largest asset managers, DWS, about how the company is aiming to ocean-related risks while tapping into new investment opportunities offered by ocean restoration projects. Photo credit: Getty Images
Jun 25, 2021 · 18 min
Standard setters work to close climate accounting gaps
Investors are increasingly calling on companies to reflect climate-related risks in their financial results. In September 2020, global investor groups representing more than $103 trillion wrote an open letter asking companies and their auditors to include climate-related risks in financial reporting. Accounting standard setters and international auditing boards are also requesting that firms pay more attention to future climate risks when they produce their financial results. "There has been a big kind of anomaly there, almost a loophole, that climate has not been taken into account," David Pitt-Watson, executive fellow at Cambridge University's Judge Business School, tells us. We also interview International Accounting Standards Board (IASB) Vice Chair Sue Lloyd about plans for a new international sustainability standards board. "I still talk to a lot of investors who are surprised that there isn't more information in the notes to the financial statements about the assumptions that have been used," Sue says. And we speak to Veronica Poole of Deloitte for an auditor's point of view. She says recent guidance the International Auditing and Assurance Standards Board (IAASB) issued on the topic of climate-related risk "is extremely valuable, and I think certainly should be looked at and used by auditors in their work as they challenge the assertions made by clients around the impact of climate change risks and opportunities on their business."
Jun 18, 2021 · 21 min
How Corporate America is waking up to racial equity
On June 17, 2021, U.S. President Joe Biden signed legislation making Juneteenth a federal holiday. In this episode, we're looking at how corporate America is changing its approach to diversity — and race in particular. June 19th, or Juneteenth, marks the official end of slavery in the U.S. in 1865. But the ugly systemic racism that slavery was built on endures. In 2020, the murder of George Floyd put that racism front and center for the world. And in response, many companies begin publicly addressing race and inequality. One way that change has manifested itself is recognition of Juneteenth. In 2020, many companies started observing the holiday — including our own parent company, S&P Global. We spoke to Tamara Vasquez, Global Head of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion at S&P Global, about the company's decision to observe Juneteenth and her experience of the growing intersection of business and diversity. And we speak to Rodney Sampson, professor, angel investor and nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Rodney is also Executive Chairman and CEO of Opportunity Hub, a platform he co-founded to build inclusive ecosystems for innovation, entrepreneurship and investment. "We have a theory that until there's capital at stake, whether it's investment capital or revenue, companies aren't really going to double click and actually become transformative in their investment as it relates to their racial equity or Diversity, Equity and Inclusion," Rodney says. Further reading from S&P Global: How The Advancement Of Black Women Will Build A Better Economy For All Image credit: Getty Images
Jun 11, 2021 · 14 min
Here's how you stress test for climate risk, according to France's central bank
Regulators and supervisors around the world are increasingly concerned about the effects of climate change on financial stability. So they're turning to climate stress tests to amass key data on financial institutions' exposure to potential stranded assets and their ability to manage risk. Since the 2008 financial crisis, stress tests have become a critical tool for regulators to gauge how well banks can withstand hypothetical adverse scenarios, such as a sharp market downturn or an economic shock. Regulators can then determine, for example, whether banks need to hold more capital to protect themselves against risk. In a world first, the French central bank conducted a climate stress test on its financial sector. In this episode, we speak to Laurent Clerc, director for research and risk analysis at France's Prudential Supervision and Resolution Authority, which conducted the tests in its role as the supervisory arm of the French central bank. "What is not necessarily perceived by institutions is the urgency," Laurent tells us. "Delays in reshaping lending or delays in insurance policies might also delay the necessary transition." Image credit: Getty Images
Jun 4, 2021 · 13 min
Exxon board ouster over climate change has big implications. Here's why
Last week the ESG world saw a major shakeup at one of the world's largest oil majors. Specifically, at Exxon Mobil's annual proxy meeting, shareholders voted to replace three board members with directors put forward by a small activist investor group — known as Engine No. 1. The group claimed Exxon was not moving fast enough to address climate change and that the board needed a fresh perspective to steer the company in the right direction. Shareholders have threatened for years to oust board members if companies don't move fast enough on climate change. But last week, they carried through on that threat. To better understand the implications of the vote for both Exxon and other companies, we talked with Andrew Logan, senior director of oil and gas at Ceres, which works with investors to press companies to tackle climate change. "I think this will certainly get the attention of other boards in this sector and beyond," Andrew said. "Nothing focuses the minds of a corporate director like the possibility that they might lose their job." Image credit: Getty Images
May 28, 2021 · 26 min
Carrot and stick: Why companies like Chipotle are linking executive pay to ESG targets
What do Chipotle, an air conditioning company and one of the world's largest activist investors have in common? They're all tackling the challenge of how to incentivize executives to advance corporate sustainability goals. In this episode, we talk with Chipotle Head of Sustainability Caitlin Leibert about the company's plan to tie 10% of annual executive incentive bonuses to sustainability goals. Linking executive compensation to ESG goals is a way for companies to "put your money where your mouth is," Caitlin says. But European activist investor Cevian Capital believes that many companies could make their ESG-linked incentives more robust and transparent, says Harlan Zimmerman, a senior partner at the firm. We also hear from Marcia Avedon, Trane Technologies' Chief Human Resources, Marketing and Communications Officer, about how the air conditioner and heating company is looking to incentivize all its employees to act on its sustainability targets. "We are weaving sustainability...into everything we do as a company," Marcia says. Photo credit: Getty Images
May 21, 2021 · 21 min
How companies are calculating financial benefits of intangible ESG programs
As more companies look to adopt ESG-friendly strategies, they sometimes run up against the challenge of finding the financial justification for doing so. Furthermore, opponents of ESG initiatives often question whether such efforts cost companies more money than it brings them. This is the heart of the debate over ESG – are companies sacrificing financial returns as they move to become more socially and environmentally responsible? A number of studies have found that companies with strong ESG practices tend to perform better. But it can be difficult to measure the financial impact of less tangible factors. For example, what's the payoff of cutting your company's emissions? What is the financial impact of expanding your paid sick leave? In this episode, we'll explore a methodology developed by the Center for Sustainable Business at the New York University's Stern School of Business that helps companies put a price on things like employee retention, avoided costs, and improved insurance rates. The methodology is called the Return on Sustainable Investment, or ROSI. From the center's director Tensie Whelan, we'll hear how the methodology has helped companies understand the financial benefits of their ESG programs. And we'll talk with Kate Chisholm, the Chief Sustainability Officer at Capital Power, a publicly-traded independent power producer in Canada, that used the ROSI tool to assess its decarbonization strategy and decided to retire its coal-fired power plant fleet in 2023 as a result. ROSI "helps you put numbers where intuition was the best thing you could do before," Kate said. Photo credit: Getty Images
May 14, 2021 · 19 min
New EU sustainable finance rules a 'game-changer' for private equity
The European Union's new Sustainable Finance Disclosure Regulation, or SFDR, is expected to drastically change the scope of sustainable investing by providing greater transparency and increasing disclosure. And this is a particularly big deal for the private equity world, which has historically relied on self-regulation. Broadly speaking, private equity refers to investments in or ownership of private companies, and in this episode, we ask how SFDR is impacting the private equity industry. We hear from Sophie Flak, managing partner in charge of ESG at French investment firm Eurazeo. Sophie was a member of an EU expert group that put in place some recommendations on SFDR. She says that the industry has a long way to go on ESG, and this new regulation will help drive progress and transparency. "But the road is a bumpy one," she adds. We also talk to Andy Pitts-Tucker, who works closely with private equity firms in his role as managing director of APEX ESG Ratings. He expects that SFDR will require "a significant leap" for a majority of the industry. "ESG is quite new to a lot of people in the private market world," Andy says. SFDR comes from the EU, but has a reach that extends far beyond Europe. Andy says international regulators are watching closely and learning. "It's a game-changer," he tells us. "What we're certainly going to see is regulators around the globe adopting their own policies." Photo credit: Getty Images
May 7, 2021 · 21 min
How 4 of the world's biggest companies are turning net zero goals into action
We've seen an explosion of companies setting net zero targets in 2021. That prompted us to ask: What comes next? After you set a decarbonization goal, how do you go about meeting it and measuring progress? To answer these questions, we talked to some of the world's largest companies — Walmart, AT&T, Duke Energy and State Street Global Advisors — in a recent S&P Global webinar. This episode of the podcast highlights some of the key takeaways we heard from those executives. Walmart Chief Sustainability Officer Kathleen McLaughlin tells us how the retail giant is working with thousands of suppliers to achieve zero emissions by 2040. AT&T Chief Sustainability Officer Charlene Lake talks about how the telecommunications giant is working up and down its supply chain to pursue its science-based target of reducing emissions. Duke Energy Chief Sustainability Officer Katherine Neebe explains how the utility, which has most of its emissions occur in the production of electric generation, is seeking the most reliable and affordable path to net zero. And we hear from Carlo Funk, the lead ESG Investment Strategist at State Street Global Advisors covering Europe, the Middle East and Africa regions. Carlo unpacks how the asset manager is engaging with companies to lower its portfolio emissions. Photo credit: Getty Images
Apr 30, 2021 · 15 min
How some companies cut corners to achieve renewable energy targets
Hundreds of companies around the world have made ambitious promises to purchase only wind, solar and other types of clean electricity to power their operations. But many of these corporations aren't buying actual physical electricity from renewable sources. Instead, they are snapping up incredibly cheap instruments known as unbundled renewable energy certificates, or RECs, which allows them to make "100% renewable power" claims while continuing to emit greenhouse gases as before. The practice is also problematic because it does little to encourage the establishment of new wind or solar farms —not a good outcome in the broader fight against climate change. In this episode, we talk to Max Scher, head of clean energy and carbon programs at software giant Salesforce, which used to buy RECs but no longer does so. "My general fear here is that if we are hyper-focused on… purchasing RECs, we're going to miss the hard work, the important work, on reducing energy consumption, thinking about siting of facilities on cleaner grids" and other real-world steps to lower the carbon footprint of corporations," Max tells us. We also hear from an analyst at Lazard Asset Management, and from Matthew Brander, a carbon accounting expert at the University of Edinburgh who cautions that buying RECS instead of actual renewable power can be "a very low-cost easy way of making it appear to have reduced emissions." Photo credit: Getty images
Apr 23, 2021 · 24 min
Banks turning green in pursuit of net zero
As countries across the world set out plans to bring their emissions to net zero by 2050, financial institutions are increasingly setting their own carbon neutrality goals. Limiting global warming to 2°C by 2050 will require $3 trillion annually in investment, according to an estimate by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and banks will play an integral part in channeling that financing. To find out what banks are doing to get to their lending portfolios to net zero, we talk to Amit Puri, global head of environmental and social risk management at U.K.-based Standard Chartered, about the bank's net zero ambitions. "We are really trying to figure out on a sector-by-sector basis, on a geography basis, where are we today, where is the baseline, and therefore what do we need to do to reduce emissions in line with the commitment that we have made?" Amit says. We also hear from executives at Natixis about a tool the French investment bank created to make its lending portfolio more sustainable. That approach "should help us to drive the entire portfolio of the bank toward a net zero balance sheet," says Karen Degouve, head of sustainable business development at Natixis. To learn more about our ESG Thought Leadership, visit the new S&P Global Sustainable1 website. Photo credit: Getty Images
Apr 20, 2021 · 24 min
Big Oil's 'bumpy ride' to net-zero
Major oil and gas companies are beginning to set aggressive decarbonization targets, but the path ahead for them is riddled with challenges. The latest episode of S&P Global's ESG Insider podcast takes a deep dive into what net-zero goals mean for those energy companies. We'll hear from Ed Daniels, an executive vice president and the head of strategy at Royal Dutch Shell plc, about the company's plan for achieving net zero across its direct and indirect emissions. We also talk with Natasha Landell-Mills, the head of stewardship at Sarasin & Partners, a U.K.-based asset manager with more than £15 billion under management, about why the firm recently divested from Shell after years of engagement. And Simon Redmond, a senior director at S&P Global Ratings, explains the rating agency's decision to bump down the credit ratings of some companies in the oil sector, including Shell. Photo source: Getty Images
Apr 9, 2021 · 35 min
Shareholder proposals to watch this proxy season: climate, racial equity, stakeholder capitalism
Heading into the 2021 proxy season, investors are increasingly focused on equity issues, climate change, and the broader role of companies in society. Shareholders filed at least 435 ESG-related shareholder proposals for the 2021 proxy season, according to the respected Proxy Preview report. In this episode, we explore three emerging shareholder proposals. One asks companies to give investors a "Say on climate," a variation on "Say on pay" resolutions that gained traction after the 2008 financial crisis. To learn more, we talk with Chris Hohn, a British billionaire hedge fund manager and philanthropist behind the "Say on climate" resolution. We also hear from Tejal Patel, corporate governance director at CtW Investment Group, which is behind a resolution asking companies to perform racial equity audits. "Even the most well-meaning board might be missing certain ways that their policies affect communities of color," Tejal says. Financial institutions, in particular, need to look for those blind spots "because they play such a critical role in our economy and in our society." And we look at a proposal that asks companies to become "public benefit corporations" to further advance stakeholder capitalism. Stakeholder capitalism posits that companies are responsible for their role in society in addition to making money for shareholders, and the idea has gained traction in recent years. To read S&P Global's 2021 proxy report, click here. Photo credit: Getty Images
Apr 2, 2021 · 19 min
State Street Global Advisors expects a data 'revolution'
Last week, State Street Global Advisors released its annual asset stewardship report. With nearly $3.5 trillion in assets under management, the firm is one of the world's largest asset managers. In 2020, it voted in more than 19,000 meetings and engaged with over 2,400 companies. In this episode, we hear from Ben Colton and Rob Walker, co-heads of the firm's asset stewardship program. They tell us about the themes the firm focused on in shareholder engagements in 2020, like COVID-19 response, supply chain resilience and racial and gender diversity. And they say that last one is poised for rapid change. "I believe that in the next six to 12 months, you're going to see a revolution in the quality and the quantity of data related not only to racial and ethnic diversity, but human capital management more broadly," Ben says. They also talk about the emerging themes they're engaging on in 2021 proxy season. The Taskforce on Climate-related Financial Disclosures, or TCFD, has become widely adopted. Now, Ben and Rob say investors are shifting their focus from baseline climate disclosures to the governance of environmental issues. State Street Global Advisors' latest asset stewardship report can be found here: https://www.ssga.com/library-content/pdfs/asset-stewardship/asset-stewardship-report-2020.pdf Photo credit: Getty Images
Mar 25, 2021 · 25 min
Why companies, investors should be worried about water
World Water Day was March 22nd, and we're marking the occasion by looking at the looming threat of water scarcity and the lack of investor appetite for financing water-related projects. According to the United Nations, 2.2 billion people globally lack safely managed drinking water, and 4.2 billion people do not have safely managed sanitation. The U.N. also warns that water scarcity could displace 700 million people by 2030. Access to clean water has become even more vital with COVID-19, which created a worldwide need for constant hand-washing. Water management is a risk for companies, too. S&P Global Trucost data shows that more than half of companies' water usage comes from supply chains, so even companies operating in water-abundant regions can be affected by scarcity given the global nature of suppliers. In this episode, we hear from Will Sarni, founder and CEO of water consultancy Water Foundry. Will says the world struggles to value water, which makes it difficult to secure capital investments in water technologies and solutions. To learn about some of the solutions that do exist, we talk to Emilio Tenuta, Chief Sustainability Officer at Ecolab, a provider of water and hygiene solutions. "We're seeing that disruptions and challenges to our water resources from climate change can have significant operational risk to businesses," Emilio says. "It really impacts businesses and communities, whether it be operational costs for business, supply chain disruptions, growing constraints related to reputation and brand. Clearly, there's a growing concern for ESG investors who are investing in companies facing these challenges." Ecolab just released an enhanced version of the Smart Water Navigator, a free, publicly available online tool that helps companies manage water risk using S&P Global Trucost data. Read a white paper co-authored by Ecolab and S&P Global Trucost on the topic of corporate water management here: https://ecolab.widen.net/s/8mlk7dwnsp/smart-water-navigator-working-paper Photo source: Getty Images
Mar 22, 2021 · 14 min
EU revolutionizes sustainability regulation with SFDR
New sustainable finance disclosure regulations came into force in Europe on March 10 as part of the EU's push towards making the economy greener. The new Sustainable Finance Disclosure Regulation, or SFDR, is expected to drastically change the scope of sustainable investing by providing greater clarity and transparency and increasing disclosure. Fund managers will now have to disclose environmental, social and governance risks in their portfolios, marking the first step in a vast EU plan to drive capital to meet sustainable goals. In the episode we talk to Nathan Fabian, Chairperson of the European Platform on Sustainable Finance and Chief Responsible Investment Officer at the Principles for Responsible Investment, or PRI, a United Nations-backed network of investors. He heads up the platform, a group of experts from industry, finance and civil society who advise the European Commission, the executive arm of the EU, on the future of sustainable finance policy in Europe. Listen to a previous episode of ESG Insider to learn more about Europe's new green taxonomy for sustainable activities. another ESG push by the EU: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/banks-big-green-eu-taxonomy-challenge/id1475521006?i=1000511776202
Mar 12, 2021 · 13 min
Diversity data is lacking; New report seeks to fix that
Investors, customers and employees are paying increasing attention to corporate diversity. That was true for gender in the wake of the #MeToo movement, and it has been increasingly true of race following the death of George Floyd in the U.S. But data is lacking, especially around racial and ethnic diversity. In this episode, we explore a first-of-its-kind diversity report that provides a much-needed window into corporate diversity. This new report is the result of an Illinois law that requires public companies headquartered in the state to report on the gender, racial and ethnic representation among corporate leaders and boards of directors. In March 2021, the University of Illinois used the disclosures from this law to publish the first report card evaluating how companies are faring on diversity. You can access the report here. We interview Illinois Speaker of the House Chris Welch, who sponsored the diversity law. He called the report "a goldmine of data." Speaker Welch said this data will help drive informed decisions. It will also put companies on public notice. "These companies spend a whole lot of money on their brands," he said. "Having this information out there, companies know that they can be publicly shamed. It shows where their values are, and their customers are paying attention." You can listen to our previous interview with Speaker Welch, from October 2020, here.
Mar 5, 2021 · 17 min
Banks' big green EU taxonomy challenge
Investors and banks have less than a year to comply with the European Union's new taxonomy for sustainable activities. In this episode, we explore the challenges financial institutions face in applying the taxonomy to their portfolios — something the Biden administration is sure to be watching as it tackles its own climate goals. Starting in January 2022 investors must explain how they use the taxonomy to assess the sustainability of their investments. They will also have to disclose what percentage of their investments are in line with the taxonomy. The new regulation is expected to radically change how investors and companies report on their environmental performance. We hear from Daniel Bouzas, a policy adviser at the European Banking Federation. We also talk to Hans Biemans, head of sustainable markets at Dutch bank ING Group, which took part in a recent study on how banks can apply the taxonomy to their lending. Photo credit: Getty Images