Freestyle's CEO Runs His Cloud From a House — Ben Swerdlow on Agent VMs
Ben Swerdlow is CEO and co-founder of Freestyle, which builds Linux VMs for AI agents. He joins Abhi Aiyer to explain why he refuses to call them sandboxes. Freestyle runs on bare metal in a house. There is duplicated internet, a battery, a backup kerosene generator, a fingerprint-protected door, and a hole cut in a wall. The move followed a $45,000 cloud bill and the discovery that an old computer outperformed the cloud version of an early prototype. Ben's advice to most of the audience is not to use his product. But he draws the line at execution time and names the case where a sandbox is simply the better tool. His path to VMs ran through two abandoned products. A database engine built at Apple in evenings and carried through an entire YC batch was killed in November 2024 after an early o3 demo. A serverless JavaScript runtime with 10ms cold starts came next, and nobody wanted it. You'll also learn why Freestyle moved off Firecracker and what rust-vmm makes possible, the destructive-snapshot problem that caused Ben real pain, and why stripped-down kernels break on Supabase. 📎 READ MORE Freestyle: https://www.freestyle.sh Freestyle VMs: https://www.freestyle.sh/products/vms Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benswerdlow rust-vmm: https://github.com/rust-vmm/community 📚 MASTRA RESOURCES https://mastra.ai https://x.com/mastra_ai Discord: https://mastra.ai/community/discord GitHub: https://github.com/mastra-ai Learn Mastra: https://mastra.ai/learn Principles of Building AI Agents: https://mastra.ai/books/principles-of-building-ai-agents Patterns of Building AI Agents: https://mastra.ai/books/patterns-of-building-ai-agents WHAT IS MASTRA Mastra is an open-source TypeScript framework designed for building and shipping AI-powered applications and agents with minimal friction. It supports the full lifecycle of agent development — from prototype to production. AI Agents Hour is a weekly livestream by Mastra CPO Shane Thomas and CTO Abhi Aiyer. Mondays 12PM Pacific. ⏱️ CHAPTERS 00:00 Cold open 00:32 Ben Swerdlow, Freestyle 00:45 Why "sandbox" is the wrong word 00:58 The serverless JavaScript runtime nobody wanted 01:35 Apple, YC, and the database they killed 03:11 Running server racks in a house 05:43 What it takes to operate that 07:20 Agent VM vs. sandbox 08:07 Background agents and the 8GB ceiling 10:13 Firecracker, rust-vmm, and destructive snapshots 12:01 Demo 14:02 Networks and VPN APIs 16:22 Who should not use Freestyle 17:09 Virtualizing themselves on every PR 7:28 What Ben would tell you to build for