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A Tale of Two Hygienists Podcast

Jessica Atkinson, RDH and David Torres CRDH

We created A Tale of Two Hygienists in 2015 because we are passionate about helping our fellow clinicians be the best version of themselves, both professionally and personally. We Interview experts in their fields to provide better care for our patients while promoting the joys of being a dental hygienist.

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Today · 35 min
551 Kindness in Education: Teaching the Whole Person
In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave sit down with Dr. Glenn Canares, DDS, MSD, to explore how psychological safety transforms learning environments, why there's a critical difference between being nice and being kind, and how Hygienist and educators can challenge learners while fostering growth. Glenn shares practical strategies for modeling self-care, delivering meaningful feedback, and creating sustainable, high-performing educational cultures that ultimately improve patient care. In this episode, we discuss: Why psychological safety is essential for effective learning The difference between "nice" and "kind" feedback Modeling self-care and growth-oriented leadership How kindness improves learning, performance, and patient outcomes Sustainable ways to integrate kindness into rigorous training programs Connect with Dr. Glenn Canares: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenn-canares/ Instagram: @oracleofkindness Email: glenn@oracleofkindness.com Connect with the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
Monday · 31 min
Nordent Podcast-Chat: The sharpening Mistake Costing Dental Practices Time and Money.
Why do so many dental professionals struggle with instrument sharpening, and what impact does it have on patient care, efficiency, and instrument longevity? In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave sit down with Jennifer Simoncelli, RDH, to discuss one of the most overlooked aspects of clinical success: instrument maintenance. Jennifer shares what inspired the development of XpressEdge, how it simplifies the sharpening process compared to traditional methods, and the real-world results practices are seeing after adopting it. If you've ever wondered whether your instruments are performing at their best, this conversation offers practical insights that every dental team can apply. In This Episode: Why instrument sharpening remains a challenge for many clinicians. The inspiration behind the development of XpressEdge. How XpressEdge differs from traditional sharpening methods. Feedback and success stories from practices using the system. The one thing every dental office should know about instrument maintenance. Connect with Our Guest: Jennifer Simoncelli, RDH Email: JSimoncelli@Nordent.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jennifer-simoncelli-rdh-64569a54 Contact the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson Email: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres Email: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com This episode is brought to you by our friends at Nordent. To learn more about XpressEdge and explore their full range of dental instruments and products, visit www.Nordent.com.
August 5 · 34 min
550 Tracking What Matters: Measuring Student Competence for CODA Accreditation
What if the way we measure competence in dental hygiene education is missing the bigger picture? In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave sit down with Sara Taft to explore how data can transform dental hygiene education. From simplifying accreditation to uncovering meaningful trends in student performance, Sara shares how technology is helping educators move beyond compliance and toward truly understanding student growth. Whether you're preparing for CODA accreditation or looking for better ways to assess clinical competence, this conversation offers practical insights into the future of dental hygiene education. In This Episode The challenge that inspired a better approach to student assessment. How technology helps measure competence beyond traditional grading. Surprising trends and insights programs have uncovered through their data. Using objective data while preserving the human side of teaching and mentorship. Practical advice for educators navigating assessment and accreditation. The future of educational technology in dental hygiene. The one metric every dental hygiene program should be tracking. Connect with Our Guest Sara Taft Email: sara.taft@upscaleassessment.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sara-taft-08a83476/ Contact the Hosts Jessica Atkinson Email: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres Email: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
August 4 · 4 min
Not All 10% Nanohydroxyapatite Toothpastes Are Created Equal
In this episode, Dr. Jen explains why nanohydroxyapatite should never be viewed as a commodity ingredient. From crystal size and purity to manufacturing processes and mineral composition, numerous factors influence how effectively a formulation supports enamel remineralization. She also discusses the importance of evidence-based product development, transparency in fluoride-free oral care, and why dental professionals should look beyond the label when making recommendations. In This Episode Why ingredient percentage alone doesn't determine performance How nanohydroxyapatite quality impacts clinical outcomes The role of crystal size, purity, and manufacturing methods The science behind biomimetic remineralization Why Dr. Jen's team selected premium eggshell-derived nanohydroxyapatite The importance of independent research and laboratory testing How dental professionals can help patients make informed decisions about fluoride-free oral care Key Takeaway When it comes to nanohydroxyapatite, quality matters just as much as concentration. Backed by science, transparency, and clinical research, biomimetic dentistry continues to raise the standard for preventive oral care. Resources: https://drjenoralcare.com/
July 29 · 32 min
549 Why Every Hygienist Should Read "Red Rising"
What can a bestselling science fiction novel teach dental hygienists about leadership, advocacy, and challenging the status quo? In this special episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave welcome back Ashley Kear (featured in Episode 521, From Dental Chair to Design Dreams: Ashley Kear on Building an Etsy Shop) for an out-of-the-box conversation about why Red Rising by Pierce Brown has become such a meaningful story for leadership and professional growth. Together, they explore the themes from the series that resonate with dental hygienists, the different leadership styles found throughout the books, and the parallels between Darrow's journey and the evolution of the dental hygiene profession. From questioning old systems to inspiring change, this conversation is all about thinking bigger, leading with purpose, and embracing what's possible. In this episode, you'll hear: Why Red Rising resonates with dental hygienists Leadership lessons from the series How challenging the status quo relates to advancing dental hygiene How stories can inspire stronger leaders, educators, and advocates Ashley's perspective on what hygienists can learn from the series If you enjoyed this conversation, share it with a fellow hygienist, leave a review, and subscribe so you never miss an episode. Resources: Read Red Rising by Pierce Brown: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/221552/red-rising-by-pierce-brown/ Contact Ashley: Amoorerdh@gmail.com Contact the Hosts Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
July 22 · 35 min
548 Mission Trips: When Good Intentions Meet Ethical Responsibility
Mission trips have the power to change lives—but only when they're built on ethics, sustainability, and partnership. In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave welcome Dr. John Cutter for an honest conversation about the responsibilities that come with providing care in underserved communities. Together, they explore how clinicians can move beyond short-term solutions, build meaningful community partnerships, and approach service with cultural humility and a commitment to long-term impact. Whether you're a student, educator, or practicing clinician, this episode challenges the way we think about giving back. In this episode, we discuss: Balancing service, sustainability, and ethics in mission work Preparing clinicians and students to serve responsibly The unintended consequences of short-term care models Building partnerships that prioritize community needs Cultural humility, patient autonomy, and continuity of care How mission experiences shape providers personally and professionally Connect with Dr. John Cutter: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-m-cutter-d-d-s-256031b/ Email: jmcutterdds@gmail.com Connect with the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
July 15 · 35 min
547 Beyond the Dental Chair: Oral Health in Hospital and Medical Settings
What if some of the most important work dental hygienists can do happens outside the dental office? In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave sit down with Jenell Robins to explore the growing role of dental hygienists in hospital and medical settings. Jenell shares her journey into medical-dental integration, the impact oral health has on overall patient outcomes, and why collaboration across healthcare disciplines is becoming more important than ever. This conversation offers a glimpse into the future of the profession and the expanding opportunities available to hygienists beyond traditional practice. In this episode, we discuss: How oral health influences overall patient outcomes The role of dental hygienists in hospital and medical settings Medical-dental integration and interdisciplinary collaboration Challenges and opportunities in hospital-based practice Jenell's journey into integrated healthcare The future of dental hygiene beyond the traditional dental office Connect with Jenell Robins: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenell-robins-5541542b8/ Email: jenellrobins@yahoo.com Connect with the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
July 8 · 32 min
546 Meeting the Oral Health Needs of Patients With Special Needs
In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave welcome Candi Kidd, RDH, BSDH, MEd, to discuss the unique challenges patients with special healthcare needs face when accessing oral healthcare. From medically complex and tube-fed patients to collaborating with caregivers and healthcare teams, Candi shares practical strategies for creating more inclusive, compassionate, and effective dental experiences. This conversation challenges clinicians to rethink accessibility, advocacy, and the future of patient-centered care. In this episode, we discuss: Common barriers to oral healthcare for patients with special healthcare needs Oral health considerations for medically complex and tube-fed patients Collaborating with caregivers and interdisciplinary healthcare teams Adapting preventive, therapeutic, and educational approaches Creating more inclusive and compassionate dental experiences The role of advocacy in improving access to care Practical strategies clinicians can implement immediately Where dental education and healthcare systems can continue to improve Connect with Candi Kidd: Email: candicea31@gmail.com Instagram: @the.sunnysister Connect with the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
July 1 · 32 min
545 Access Is Built, Not Given: Community Outreach as Preventive Care
What if the biggest challenge in oral healthcare isn't clinical knowledge—but access? In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave sit down with Richard Robinson, BS, RDH, to discuss how community outreach is transforming preventive oral healthcare. Richard shares what it takes to build sustainable partnerships, reach underserved populations, and remove the barriers that prevent people from receiving the care they need. From advocacy and education to real-world outreach initiatives, this conversation highlights how every dental professional can make a lasting impact beyond the operatory. In this episode, we discuss: The connection between community outreach and preventive oral healthcare Identifying and addressing barriers to oral healthcare access Building sustainable community partnerships Reaching underserved and vulnerable populations The role of education, advocacy, and prevention Lessons from successful outreach initiatives How clinicians, educators, and students can get involved in community-based care The future of access-to-care efforts in dentistry and dental hygiene Connect with Richard Robinson: Email: mywhy1st@gmail.com Facebook: MY WHY Instagram: @mywhy1st TikTok: @RichardRobinson_RDH Connect with the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
June 27 · 34 min
Parkell Podcast-Chat: Clinical Innovation with DuraTip – Using Ultrasonics Well: Efficiency, Ergonomics, and Patient Comfort
In this special bonus episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave welcome back Noel and Richard Paschke, better known as Mr. and Mrs. Ultrasonics, for a deep dive into ultrasonic insert performance, wear, and innovation. The Paschkes explore why all ultrasonic tips wear over time, how worn inserts impact patient outcomes and clinician efficiency, and the engineering principles behind DuraTip, Rich's latest invention manufactured by Parkell. They also discuss practical systems for measuring insert performance, the risks of using ineffective instruments, and how technology continues to evolve to improve clinical care. The conversation also highlights Parkell's new TurboSensor+360 ultrasonic scaler and the features designed to improve ergonomics, workflow efficiency, and clinical confidence. In this episode, you'll learn: Why ultrasonic inserts lose efficiency as they wear The clinical and ethical implications of using worn instruments What makes DuraTip different from traditional ultrasonic inserts How to create a system for monitoring insert performance in your practice The latest innovations in ultrasonic technology and ergonomics Key features of Parkell's TurboSensor+360 scaler, including Cruise Control and IntelliSense technology. Links: https://www.rdhmag.com/patient-care/ultrasonics/article/55356839/worn-out-work-smarter-not-harder-with-your-ultrasonics-inserts-tips Contact the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com This episode is brought to you by our friends at Parkell. Thanks to Parkell for supporting dental professionals with innovative solutions designed to improve clinical performance, efficiency, and ergonomics.
June 24 · 39 min
544 The Science -How Ultrasonics Actually Work: Amplitude, Frequency, and Cleaning Efficiency
In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave welcome back Noel and Richard Paschke, better known as Mr. and Mrs. Ultrasonics. Together, they break down the science behind ultrasonic instrumentation, separating fact from fiction on topics like frequency, amplitude, cavitation, cleaning efficiency, and clinical technique. Rich shares an engineer's perspective on how ultrasonic devices are designed, while Noel translates the physics into practical applications for today's clinician. They also discuss common misconceptions about piezo and magnetostrictive units, how worn tips impact performance, and why understanding ultrasonic technology is essential for delivering better patient care. In this episode, you'll learn: The difference between frequency, amplitude, and cleaning efficiency Why ultrasonic scaling is about more than simply turning up the power Common myths surrounding cavitation and calculus removal Key differences between piezo and magnetostrictive systems How tip design, wear, and adaptation affect clinical outcomes The latest innovations from the Paschkes, including cordless ultrasonics and a patent-pending piezo swivel handpiece. Connect with Noel: noel.ultrasonicsplus@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noelpaschke/ Contact the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
June 17 · 32 min
543 The Origin Story- Mr. & Mrs. Ultrasonics: How the Paschkes Changed the Way We Scale
Jessica and Dave sit down with Noel and Richard Paschke—known throughout dentistry as Mr. and Mrs. Ultrasonics. Noel, a pioneering dental hygienist, educator, inventor, and industry leader, joins her husband Rich, an ultrasonic engineer and innovator, to share the story behind their partnership and the impact they've had on ultrasonic scaling technology. Together, they discuss how clinical experience and engineering expertise came together to drive product innovation, improve ergonomics, and shape many of the ultrasonic technologies clinicians use today. They also share insights into the invention process, life after retirement, and exciting new technologies currently in development. In this episode, you'll learn: How Rich transitioned from military engineering to dentistry Noel's journey from Johns Hopkins to industry leadership The clinician-first approach that changed ultrasonic product design Products and patents that have influenced modern scaling What's next for the future of ultrasonics Connect with Noel: noel.ultrasonicsplus@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noelpaschke/ Contact the Hosts: Jessica Atkinson: jatkinson@endeavorb2b.com Dave Torres: dtorres@endeavorb2b.com
June 13 · 13 min
Why Dry Mouth Is More Than Just a Lack of Saliva: New Insights into Xerostomia Care
In this episode, Tanya Dunlap of Perio Protect sits down with renowned periodontist and researcher Dr. Sam Low to discuss the growing challenge of xerostomia (dry mouth) and innovative approaches to managing it. They explore the science behind Periosciences' new product, Moisyn™, including its KyoTech™ technology, and discuss how combining Moisyn with AO ProVantage® Gel may provide enhanced support for patients suffering from dry mouth. The conversation covers the importance of saliva quality—not just quantity—the role of minor salivary glands, and how inflammation may contribute to xerostomia symptoms. Dr. Low also shares practical recommendations for incorporating these products into daily patient care protocols. Resources: perioprotect.com periosciences.com
June 10 · 33 min
542 The Art of the Stroke: Hand Instrumentation in Dental Hygiene
In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave welcome back Dr. Emily Boge to explore the evolving balance between ultrasonic technology and hand instrumentation in modern dental hygiene. We dive into why ultrasonics are powerful tools — but not magic wands — and why mastering hand instrumentation remains essential for effective patient care. We look into a humbling calibration story that changed the clinical approach and the importance of diagnostic instruments, assessment skills, and clinician awareness in achieving better outcomes. This conversation is a reminder that great hygiene care is not about choosing between technology and technique — it's about mastering both. Guest: Dr. Emily Boge Ereinert@hotmail.com What We Discuss: Why ultrasonics require balance, technique, and intention Why hand instrumentation still matters in modern hygiene care A practice-changing calibration experience The importance of diagnostic instruments and assessment tools How clinician awareness impacts patient outcomes Resources & Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-boge-edd-rdh-cda-faadh-fadha-cdipc-8a648916/ Call to Action: If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe to A Tale of Two Hygienists, leave a review, and share this episode with fellow clinicians and educators.
June 3 · 34 min
541 Implant Instrumentation: Preserving the Implant While Treating the Patient — From Single Implants to Full-Arch Fixed Prostheses
In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and Dave sit down with implant maintenance expert Alison Stahl to unpack the hidden risks surrounding dental implants — and why successful implant therapy requires far more than simply placing the implant. Alison explains why implants remain vulnerable to periodontal and systemic disease, why water flossers are essential for long-term implant health, and how palpation and 3D radiographs can dramatically improve diagnosis and treatment outcomes. She also reveals why stainless steel instruments may be damaging implants without clinicians realizing it and shares the essential protocols every hygienist should know when treating implant patients. From single implants to full-arch fixed prostheses, this conversation challenges outdated approaches to implant care and highlights what modern clinicians need to protect both the implant and the patient. Guest: Alison Stahl alisonstahl@precisionperi-implantacademy.com What We Discuss: Why implants are still susceptible to periodontal and systemic disease Why water flossers are critical for implant maintenance The importance of palpation and 3D radiographs in implant assessment How stainless steel instruments can damage implant surfaces Essential implant maintenance protocols for clinicians Treatment considerations for single implants and full-arch prostheses Resources & Links: Website: https://precisionperi-implantacademy.com/ If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe to A Tale of Two Hygienists, leave a review, and share this episode with your colleagues and clinical team.
May 27 · 32 min
540 More Than a Credential: The Responsibility, Trust, and Purpose Behind Licensure
About This Episode: What does it really mean to hold a dental hygiene license? In this episode, Dave and Jessica sit down with Amanda Hill — speaker, consultant, award-winning author,to unpack what licensure truly represents for dental hygienists. This is not a conversation about paperwork and renewal fees. It is a candid, thought-provoking discussion about responsibility, public trust, and what it means to show up for your patients at the highest level of your profession. What We Cover: Why "access to care" can become "babysitting disease" in dentistry A clarion call for dental hygienists to level up Virginia's new dental laws: 120-hour assistants and foreign-trained dentists Why dental hygiene should feel like a therapeutic massage and what that means for patient care Why patients trust the letters on your scrubs and why licensure matters more than you think The invisible protections your dental hygienist provides every single appointment About Amanda Hill, BSDH, RDH, CDIPC Amanda Hill is an enthusiastic speaker, innovative consultant, and award-winning author with over 25 years of clinical dental hygiene experience. A sought-after thought leader, she has authored over one hundred articles bringing clarity to some of dentistry's hottest topics. She is the recipient of the Association for Dental Safety's Emerging Infection Control Leader award and serves on the advisory boards of RDH Magazine, Dentistry IQ, and the Association for Dental Safety's Infection Control In Practice Editorial Review Board. Amanda is passionate about making dentistry accurate, accessible, and yes — fun. Connect With Amanda: Website: www.amandahillrdh.com Email: amandahillrdh@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-hill-rdh-261167149/
May 20 · 31 min
539 You're Not a Student Anymore — Advocating for Yourself as a Professional
In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, co-hosts David Torres and Jessica Atkinson sit down with Billie Lunt, RDH, BA, MSDH, to explore the pivotal transition from student to practicing professional—and what it really means to advocate for yourself in today's dental hygiene landscape. The conversation dives into the gap between school and real-world practice, challenging the mindset many hygienists carry into their careers. Billie shares insight on how to step confidently into your role, define your own standards of care, and navigate the complexities of patient relationships and clinical expectations. Key topics discussed include: Transforming patient anxiety into health success stories through trust-building and communication Defining your professional standards and why they matter in everyday practice The truth behind "practicing dentistry" and what it looks like in real clinical settings The importance of questioning and aligning your values as a dental hygienist Bridging the gap between education and real-world expectations Rather than staying stuck in a student mindset, this episode encourages hygienists to take ownership of their professional identity. Billie offers a thoughtful perspective on how self-awareness, advocacy, and intentional growth can lead to stronger patient outcomes and a more fulfilling career. This episode is a must-listen for new graduates and seasoned hygienists alike who are ready to elevate their role and confidently advocate for themselves and their patients. Call to Action Take time to evaluate your professional standards and values. Identify where you can advocate more effectively for yourself and your patients, and begin making intentional changes in your daily practice. Connect with Billie Lunt: Email: happyflossertRDH@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billielunt/
May 16 · 4 min
Not All Nano-Hydroxyapatite Toothpaste Is Created Equal
In this episode of Fast Facts Ask the Expert, Dr. Jen discusses the science behind nano-hydroxyapatite toothpaste and why not all fluoride-free formulations are created equal. Learn why concentration, crystal quality, and science-backed formulation matter when it comes to enamel protection and oral health. For more information or to schedule a CE for your team, visit: Dr. Jen Oral Care
May 13 · 35 min
538 Clinic Isn't the Real World — But It Wasn't Useless Either
In this episode, David Torres and Jessica Atkinson sit down with Kevin Lopez to unpack the gap between clinical education and real-world dental hygiene practice. Kevin shares honest insights from his experience, highlighting what truly matters once you step outside the classroom and into patient care. What We Talked About: Why disclosing is non-negotiable in dental hygiene practice and its impact on patient outcomes Understanding vitals, liability, and staying within your scope of practice The realities of transitioning from clinic to real-world settings Why you don't need a 4.0 GPA to become a skilled and effective clinician Key Takeaways: Clinical training lays the foundation, but real growth happens when hygienists apply those skills in practice. Prioritizing patient education tools like disclosing, understanding legal responsibilities, and building confidence matter more than perfection in academics. Call to Action: Stay committed to improving your clinical skills and understanding your professional responsibilities. Focus on delivering quality patient care, continue learning beyond graduation, and connect with professionals who can help guide your journey. Resources/Links: Email: kevin@kevstalksteeth.com Website: https://www.kevstalksteeth.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevstalksteeth/
May 6 · 37 min
537 What We're Actually Worried About: Graduating Hygienists Speak
In this episode, David Torres and Jessica Atkinson dive into the real concerns and experiences of graduating dental hygienists as they transition from school into the professional world. This candid conversation highlights the emotional and professional challenges new hygienists face, along with practical insights to help them navigate this pivotal stage of their careers. What We Talked About: First job anxiety and the pressure of entering the workforce Why hygienists must stay actively involved in their careers beyond graduation Adjusting to life after school and building confidence in clinical practice How life-changing events and personal growth shape career paths Key Takeaways: Graduating hygienists are not alone in their worries. Staying connected to the profession, seeking mentorship, and continuing education are critical to long-term success and fulfillment. Embracing change and remaining adaptable can make all the difference in building a rewarding career. Call to Action: If you're a new or soon-to-be dental hygienist, stay engaged with your professional community. Continue learning, ask questions, and seek out support systems that help you grow. Don't let early career fears hold you back from pursuing opportunities. Resources: Emails: Kalea Woodyatt: kalea.woodyatt@utahtech.edu Claire Zufelt: Claire.zufelt@utahtech.edu Abigail Vogel: Abby.vogel@utahtech.edu Haydn Bush: Haydn.mcmillan@utahtech.edu

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