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A Life Worth Working – Finding Purpose & Overcoming Setbacks

Dr. Michelle Weise & Rev. Dana Allen Walsh - Personal Development & Resilience Specialists

A Life Worth Working — Finding Purpose & Overcoming Setbacks is a podcast hosted by Dr. Michelle Weise and the Rev. Dana Allen Walsh, personal development & resilience specialists. Our guests illuminate the scraps, screw-ups, and detours of our work lives as living proof that nothing is ever wasted in these spaghetti pathways of our careers. The hardest moments we endure, from epic failures to employment gaps and crushing disappointments, all become fertile ground for new growth and endless possibilities. As we navigate the winding, messy pathways of life, perhaps the truest calling is simply this: to stay open to wonder, courageous in release, faithful in response—and to trust that, step by step, we are shaping a life worth working.

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  • June 23 · 35 min

    An Invitation to My Soul

    What does it mean to live a life of character — not just teach it? “When we think about people in our own lives we look at and admire, it’s not those who achieve great awards usually. It’s those who actually were kind to us and demonstrated courage in a time of moral conflict, who made sacrifices for the good of others. That kind of compassion, humanity, hope is what we’ll think about when we imagine our own eulogy.” Dr. Michael Lamb teaches at Wake Forest University, where he directs a Program for Leadership and Character that has reached over 1,600 faculty and staff across 146 institutions. But his most important lesson came when he burned out completely at forty — the year of tenure, a book deadline, and a landmark grant — and walked the Camino de Santiago alone for eighteen days. He called his Camino “an invitation to my soul.” These days, he writes baseball haiku. In this conversation, Michael talks with co-hosts Michelle Weise and Dana Allen Walsh about: * How a childhood of farming taught him that character is cultivated, not conferred * The political career he almost had — and the Socrates passage that changed everything * What burnout looked like at his peak moment of professional success * How the Camino helped him find the parts of himself his ambition had buried * Why haiku, of all things, became his most important creative practice * The Rilke idea of “living the questions” — and why it’s now the motto of his program On vocation: “I love that word — vocation. It comes from the Latin meaning voice. What voice do you hear from outside of yourself that calls you to a certain way of being or doing in the world?” Why This Matters We live in a culture that mistakes achievement for excellence. Michael Lamb has spent his career making the philosophical case that character — courage, compassion, humility, wisdom — is its own form of excellence; the Greek arête, which means both. His program at Wake Forest isn’t a feel-good initiative; it is a serious academic and institutional effort to shift what higher education measures and celebrates. And the fact that he nearly burned out doing it — that he had to walk a pilgrimage route to let his soul speak — makes his work all the more credible. He is not just teaching character. He is trying to live it. He is living the questions. 📬 Subscribe to A Life Worth Working on Substack A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise and Dana Allen Walsh. Each week, we talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — because we believe the real story of work is always about what we call the soul of work. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and share with someone who may be navigating their own uncertain path. 🎙️ Listen wherever you get your podcasts 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • June 16 · 33 min

    “You Don’t Have to Know What’s Next. You Just Have to Know where You Are Isn’t Right.”

    Episode: A Life Worth Working | Guest: Sarah Klock | Manager of The Andover Bookstore, Former Columbia PhD Candidate, Three-Time Mom Sarah Klock’s story is about a woman who finally stopped pretending the wrong thing was the right thing and walked through the next door she could find. Sarah spent more than a decade chasing a goal that she increasingly suspected was wrong for her but couldn’t bring herself to leave. She calls those years “lonely work.” Then, at 39, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Soon after, a dear friend was diagnosed with a different cancer and died within six weeks. Everything Sarah thought she knew about time, success, and purpose shifted on its axis. In this episode of A Life Worth Working, Sarah tells the full story with extraordinary grace: how she finally let academia go, how she and her family impulsively bought a little house in Andover, Massachusetts, how she floundered through the early pandemic with no idea who she was — and how an email newsletter from a local bookstore opened the door to the work she had wanted all along. We talk about: * 📚 “Lonely work” — the phrase that finally named her years in academia * 🎗️ How a breast cancer diagnosis at 39 — and the sudden death of a close friend — gave her permission to leave the wrong life * 🏡 The impulsive weekend trip to Andover and the “little house” that started everything * 📖 The email newsletter that became a job — and how she found her real work in her own town * 🛋️ Why she calls her bookstore a “public living room” for the community * 📵 Why people walk into bookstores in 2026: they are asking for their attention back * 🎟️ What she sees in young readers, BookTok, and Gen Z that gives her real hope: “the kids are okay” * 💪 What it means to be “in your power” at the most frightening moment of your life Sarah’s gift is to name all of that without making it a victory lap. She doesn’t pretend the bookstore is the moral of the story. She doesn’t pretend cancer was a gift. She just tells the truth about how she got from one place to the other. About A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • June 9 · 32 min

    "This Must Be So Hard for You"

    What You’ll Learn: * The devastating story of Brian Mendell — eight treatment programs, thirteen months of sobriety, and a healthcare system that failed him at every turn, including the day before he died. * How Gary discovered that only 4% of people with substance use disorder receive evidence-based treatment — and what the proven, buried research says we can do about it. * How Gary applied lessons from eleven major social movements to design a stigma-ending campaign for addiction. * The five words Gary wrote on a piece of paper after three months of listening across the country — the words that became Shatterproof and his life’s calling. * What Gary wishes he had said to his son that he never did — and how those simple words, “this must be hard for you,” could save lives. Why This Matters Addiction is the leading cause of death for Americans between 18 and 45. Of the mere twenty percent who get any treatment, only four percent receive care that follows evidence-based protocols, meaning treatment that research has proven works. The knowledge exists — proven by $20 billion in federal research— but is sitting in medical journals, not being used. The problem is not scientific. It is structural, cultural, and driven by stigma. Gary Mendell built Shatterproof to close that gap. His story matters not just because it is heartbreaking, but because it names something specific and solvable. And because behind every statistic is a Brian. About Our Guest Gary Mendell is the Founder and Chairman of Shatterproof, a national nonprofit dedicated to reversing the addiction crisis in the United States. After building a successful hotel company with his brother, Gary’s life changed forever when his son Brian died by suicide at 25 — over a year into his sobriety. Gary channeled that loss into building Shatterproof, which works across three pillars: transforming addiction treatment, ending shame and stigma, and educating and empowering families. Shatterproof has secured 46 laws across 24 states and five federal bills. Its Atlas tool helps people find evidence-based treatment within 50 miles of their home through a simple 10-question online assessment. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • June 2 · 25 min

    The Ambitious Little S#*!:

    What happens when the institutions you trusted turn out to be the problem? Matt Stoller spent his twenties credentialing himself — Harvard, Congressional staffing, policy circles — and trusting that the credentialed people knew what they were doing. The Iraq War changed that. The 2008 financial crisis finished it. “I had validated myself based on all of the credentials I had accrued. But those credentials were given to me by people like that. So I was torn between this notion of — are you going to try to curry favor with people who are powerful, which is really how you get ahead as a kid? Or are you going to adhere to a sort of moral code?” What emerged from that reckoning was a decade-long dive into the anti-monopoly tradition buried in American law — and Goliath, his seminal book about how concentrated corporate power quietly reshaped democracy without most of us noticing. Today he runs BIG, a newsletter with 150,000 readers, and directs research at the American Economic Liberties Project — translating antitrust law into stories about fire trucks, water coolers, vet bills, and all the other places where private equity roll-ups are making daily life more expensive and more fragile. Stoller’s career arc — from credentialed true believer to moral crisis to deep historical reckoning — is also a story about what it costs to trust institutions uncritically, and what it means to rebuild your compass from the ground up. In a moment when trust in institutions is collapsing and expertise is being weaponized on all sides, his argument for epistemic humility — grounded not in cynicism but in a genuine conviction that every person carries a touch of the divine — is its own kind of radical act. In this conversation, Matt talks with Dr. Michelle Weise and Rev. Dana Allen Walsh about: * What monopoly power actually looks like — in fire trucks, spring water, veterinary practices, and electric bills * Why curiosity is the foundation of democratic life — and why intellectual humility can be depressing * His unexpected take on the Federal Reserve as religious institution * What daily Talmud study has to do with a sense of calling Read Matt’s newsletter BIG: bignewsletter.com Listen to Organized Money: organizedmoney.fm About Matt Stoller Matt Stoller is the Director of Research at the American Economic Liberties Project and the author of Goliath: The Hundred Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy — called “one of the year’s best books on how to rethink capitalism and improve the economy” by Business Insider. A former policy advisor to the Senate Budget Committee and staffer on the Financial Services Committee during the 2008 financial crisis, Matt now runs the newsletter BIG and co-hosts the podcast Organized Money with David Dayen. His work translates the arcane machinery of monopoly power and antitrust law into stories that explain why everyday life feels increasingly expensive, fragile, and unfair. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • May 26 · 37 min

    Recalibration Is Persistence

    What if joy is the most radical tool for change we have? Yana Buhrer Tavanier grew up in communist Bulgaria, where speaking the wrong truth could get you declared mentally ill. After nearly a decade as an award-winning investigative journalist — and after managing to close exactly one of the fifty-plus institutions she exposed — she arrived at a hard truth: Facts alone don’t make people care. Art does. Play does. Joy does. She’s now the co-founder and Executive Director of Fine Acts, a global nonprofit creative studio working at the intersection of art, technology, science, and human rights — and the creator of “Playtivism,” a science-backed methodology that uses creative play as a tool for social change. She is also a TED Fellow. "The collaborations with artists were the things that people remembered, that drove people in, that in some cases grabbed people by the throat and really made them do something about the issue." In this conversation, Yana talks with Dr. Michelle Weise and Rev. Dana Allen Walsh about: * Growing up in a family that was punished for its convictions — including an aunt whose art and spirit were crushed by the communist psychiatric system * What Dr. Stuart Brown’s research on play revealed about burnout and change * How Fine Acts’ LABS format pairs strangers across disciplines for 48-hour creative sprints * “Controlled failure” — her concept for the deliberate leap into something you’re not ready for * Why the word she uses for her career is “recalibration,” not reinvention “Play can prevent very high levels of burnout and depression amongst activists — and it can give us the much-needed feeling that we’ve got this. So we embrace joy as the process. It’s not necessarily that the final result is going to be funny or light. It’s about feeling free, feeling unburdened, while in the process of creation.” Her concept of Playtivism isn't just a theory. It's a methodology built on neuroscience, tested through years of failure, and proven through campaigns that have actually shifted hearts. In a moment when activists are burning out and information is being weaponized, Yana's insistence on joy — not as an afterthought but as a strategy — is both countercultural and essential. Learn more about Fine Acts: fineacts.co 📬 Subscribe to A Life Worth Working 🎙️ Listen wherever you get your podcasts 📩 Email us: hello@alifeworthworking.com About Our Guest Yana Buhrer Tavanier (YAH-nah BOO-rer tah-vahn-YAY) is a TED Senior Fellow and the co-founder and Executive Director of Fine Acts, a global nonprofit creative studio for social impact. Born in communist Bulgaria, she has spent her career at the intersection of journalism, activism, art, technology, and science — developing what she calls “Playtivism”: the radical idea that joy, creativity, and imagination can be more powerful agents of change than facts or fury alone. Fine Acts works across human rights and environmental issues worldwide, producing campaigns and supporting civil society organizations in making people stop, feel, and act. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • May 18 · 33 min

    From Orphan to Berkeley Engineer

    Episode: A Life Worth Working | Guest: Chris Atageka | Engineer, Entrepreneur, Author of Return to Human 🎧 Watch a Brief Clip What You’ll Learn in This Episode * Why Chris slept with his US passport and then buried it in his backyard — and what that tells us about the kind of fear that doesn’t leave when the danger does * The “life raft” problem every immigrant and first-generation success story knows: when you finally get out, who do you carry with you, and what does it cost? * What survivor’s remorse actually feels like — and how it has shaped every chapter of his work since * Why he believes “just be yourself” is one of the most privileged sentences in the wellness vocabulary — and what most people get wrong about it * His new book Return to Human — and why he believes we are heading into a global crisis of purpose: “If a robot can do it better, what are humans for?” About Chris Atageka Chris Atageka is an engineer, entrepreneur, and author who was born in a small village in Uganda and orphaned around the age of seven or eight, when both of his parents likely died of AIDS. He spent eight years in survival mode before being discovered by a community member who connected him to Yes Uganda, a nonprofit founded by Kara Adams, a Hawaiian woman who moved to Uganda at age 50 to start an orphanage. A California family sponsored Chris through the program for years, eventually bringing him to the United States. Chris went on to earn two engineering degrees from UC Berkeley, graduating at the top of his class and serving as the student speaker at commencement in front of a stadium of thousands. He has built companies, given a TED Talk, returned to Uganda to give back to kids in circumstances like the one he was born into, and is now the author of several books — most recently Return to Human, a meditation on what it means to be a person in the age of the machine. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • May 12 · 38 min

    She Quit Finance, Climbed Everest, and Picked Up Her Viola.

    Episode: A Life Worth Working | Guest: Rebecca Long | Everest Summiteer, Violist & Career Reinventor What You’ll Learn in This Episode The moment Rebecca realized eight years in banking wasn’t a career — it was a slow depression What she gave up when she quit: a salary, a relationship, a plan. What she gained. What it’s actually like inside the Khumbu Icefall, the most dangerous section of Everest — including the swinging ladders over crevasses in the dark The fatherly teammate who lent Rebecca his nose shield without a second thought — and didn’t make it back from the acclimatization climb Why “getting to the top is optional, but coming down is mandatory” — and what that teaches you about judgment under pressure About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • May 5 · 33 min

    He’s a Pastor. He Went on a Reality Show Called “The Snake.” It Was More Complicated than It Sounds.

    Episode: A Life Worth Working | Guest: Jacob Buchholz | Pastor, Deaf Culture & Reality TV Jacob Buchholz is a progressive pastor, a fluent signer in American, Romanian, and Russian sign language, the co-founder of a trans-denominational deaf church — and a cast member on The Snake, now streaming on Hulu. The show cast him because he’s from a profession that uses persuasion. He went because he wanted a nationally televised platform for a more inclusive, progressive version of Christianity. In this episode of A Life Worth Working, Jacob tells the full story: from his childhood in a deaf household where his mother led protests and ran ASL church services, to a transformative trip to Romania and Moldova that redirected his entire career, to the moment he climbed out of a shipping crate in Argentina and found out he was on a game show about manipulation. This is a genuinely surprising episode about identity, calling, courage — and what it means to hold your values in a space that wasn’t built for them. 🎧 Watch/Listen Now About Jacob Buchholz Jacob Buchholz is a senior pastor and reality television contestant currently featured on The Snake, now streaming on Hulu. He has served as a pastor in the United Church of Christ for over a decade and is currently leading a congregation in Claremont, California. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com Skilling Me Softly | A Life Worth Working is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • April 28 · 23 min

    She Won Olympic Gold. Then She Had to Figure out Who She Was without It.

    Episode: A Life Worth Working | Guest: Shawn Johnson East | Olympic Champion, Entrepreneur & Mother Shawn Johnson won the gold medal on the balance beam at the 2008 Olympics. She was 16. She had already been told, implicitly and explicitly, that this was the point — the summit of what she had been working toward since before she could remember. What this episode of A Life Worth Working captures, with unusual honesty, is what happened to the person inside all of that achievement. The girl who felt superhuman inside the gym and panicked outside it. The teenager who said yes to every opportunity after retirement because she was too scared to have a quiet moment. The young woman who chased the next title because the last one felt hollow the moment she got it. Shawn’s story speaks to anyone who has organized their identity around performance — in sports, in school, in a career — and then had to reckon with who they are once the performance is over or the goal is reached. That experience is not limited to Olympic athletes. It is one of the most common and least-discussed features of high-achievers. What makes this episode particularly moving is how clearly Shawn can trace her own transformation: from a child who defined success as approval, to a mother who has had to deliberately, painstakingly unlearn that definition one layer at a time. She’s generous about the work it took. And honest about the fact that it’s still ongoing. 🎧 Watch/Listen Now What You’ll Learn in This Episode * What Shawn actually wanted to be before the Olympics took over * The “Hannah Montana effect”: how Shawn felt like a completely different, superhuman inside the gym * What 11 days of Navy SEAL-style training on Special Forces actually felt like — and why smiling through physical pain is not a good idea * The foundational role of her parents About Shawn Johnson East Shawn Johnson East is the 2007 World All-Around Gymnastics Champion and a four-time 2008 Olympic medalist, including the gold medal on the balance beam. She is one of the few American gymnasts ever to win Olympic gold on beam — the event she was drawn to precisely because it terrified everyone else. In the years since, she has competed on Dancing with the Stars, done a season of Special Forces, launched businesses with her husband and former NFL player Andrew East, and become a mother of three. She has also spent considerable time and effort unlearning nearly everything she was taught about what success is supposed to look like. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com Skilling Me Softly | A Life Worth Working is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • April 21 · 39 min

    Older + Younger = Better

    Episode of A Life Worth Working | Guest: Marc Freedman | Co-Generation, Mentorship & the Multigenerational Future We talk about loneliness as if it’s a personal failing. We talk about polarization as if it’s simply political. But Marc’s life work points to a structural cause hiding in plain sight: We have built an entire society that keeps old and young apart. “We all come from divorce. This is an age of divorce. Things that belong together have been taken apart. And you can’t put it all back together again. What you can do, is the only thing that you can do. You take two things that ought to be together and you put them together. Two things! Not all things.” —Wendell Berry Marc’s story is also a quiet lesson in how calling evolves. He started out thinking older people could help younger people. He spent decades learning that what’s really possible — and necessary — is something richer: genuine co-creation, co-leadership, co-mentoring. A meeting of different kinds of wisdom. Two things that belong together, put back. What You’ll Learn in This Episode * Why Marc started his career focused on low-income youth — and how a landmark study of Big Brothers Big Sisters changed everything * How a wise college dean (who also kept Robert Putnam from dropping out) became the unlikely seed of three decades of mentorship work * What Marc means by “co-generation” — and why it’s fundamentally different from older people helping younger people * Why age segregation is “utterly against the grain of all of human history” — and what we can do about it * What Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga, Tracy Chapman and Luke Combs, and Brandi Carlisle and Joni Mitchell all have in common — and what Marc is building from that insight About Marc Freedman Marc Freedman is the founder and Co-CEO of CoGenerate and the founding Faculty Director of the Yale Experienced Leaders Initiative (Yale ELI Fellows). He is one of the nation’s leading voices on the multigenerational future and the originator of the concept of the encore career — the idea of linking second acts in life to the greater good. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • April 14 · 28 min

    He Had a Film at Sundance. He Chose a Cookbook Instead.

    Episode: A Life Worth Working | Guest: Pete Lee | Award-Winning Photographer, Director & Accidental Archivist of San Francisco Chinatown “I wasn’t taking photos with my eyes. It was more with my feet and my bus pass.” What You’ll Learn in This Episode * How a Jackie Chan DVD given to a teenager who wasn’t allowed to watch TV launched an entire creative career * How Pete became a photographer by accident * The single insight about the directionality of light that unlocked everything — and why Pete learned it years later than he should have * Why Pete thinks the myth of quitting everything to pursue your passion is mostly wrong — and what he believes actually works About Pete Lee Pete Lee is an award-winning photographer and director based in San Francisco. He is the photographer behind Mr. Jiu’s in Chinatown, the cookbook from James Beard Award-winning chef Brandon Jew, which captured San Francisco’s Chinatown with the intimacy of a neighborhood documentary — and won a James Beard Award. Make sure you read my longer blog all about Pete Lee in my post: “Your Word Is Your Bond: Moral Courage in the Detours.” About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • April 7 · 25 min

    He Signed a Multi-Million Dollar NFL Contract — Then Got Cut after 3 Months

    A Life Worth Working | Guest: Andrew East | Former NFL Long Snapper, YouTube Creator & Family Media Entrepreneur What You’ll Learn in This Episode * How getting released from the Kansas City Chiefs after 3 months — while his wife Shawn Johnson was selling out arenas — became the most transformative moment of his life * Why Andrew turned a humiliating rock bottom into what he now calls an “unshakable confidence” * What his father’s day-long rites of passage ceremonies taught him about raising boys — and what modern fatherhood is missing * What it means to redefine success when you’re married to an Olympic gold medalist About Andrew East Andrew East is a former NFL long snapper who played for the Kansas City Chiefs and several other teams over a five-year professional career. He studied civil engineering at Vanderbilt University, where he was a two-time captain of the football team. He is married to Olympic gold medal gymnast Shawn Johnson East, with whom he has built Family Made — a wholesome, intentional family media network reaching over 10 million followers across platforms. He is also nearly finished with his PhD in psychology and co-hosts the podcast Couple Things with Shawn. The Kid Who Wanted His Name in Lights Andrew East grew up with a simple dream: play professional football and be the hero of the team. He was “footloose, fancy-free, rolling with the punches.” At Vanderbilt, he showed up as the worst player on the team by a mile. He almost transferred. Instead, he stayed — and eventually became a two-time captain. He wasn’t going to be the quarterback. He wasn’t going to be the star. He was going to be the person who made the star’s job possible. He found his niche in one of the most specialized, invisible positions in all of sports: long snapper. The guy who snaps the ball through his legs on field goals and punts. The guy nobody knows until he messes up. That lesson — finding and maximizing your specific niche even if it’s not the glamorous one — turned out to be a blueprint for the rest of his life. The Humiliation that Changed Everything Andrew signed a multi-year contract with the Kansas City Chiefs as a rookie. He remembers the moment vividly: he thought he had done it. Mission complete. He was in the NFL. Three months later, he was cut. Ten thousand dollars in his pocket instead of millions. Meanwhile, his now-wife Shawn Johnson — whom he had just started dating — was on a nationwide gymnastics tour, performing in sold-out arenas for tens of thousands of fans every night. Standing ovations. Screaming crowds. Andrew was home alone on the couch. Unemployed. Nobody quite knowing what to say to him at family events. “I felt useless and desperate. For about three months, I was just like a sad guy on a couch.” But on the other side of those three months, something shifted. With the help of people who stuck with him and spoke encouragement into him, he started to slowly rebuild a confidence that felt, this time, like it was truly his own. “Once I made it through that and realized I can contribute more to the world than just football — or just the one thing — I unlocked a new door. I shifted from self-doubt and pity to eager curiosity. Wait, there’s so much more to life. I just have to go look.” Andrew East’s story is about what happens after the dream doesn’t go the way you planned — and what you find on the other side of that failure if you’re willing to sit in it long enough to learn from it. It’s also a rare public conversation about intentional fatherhood, the crisis of male direction and belonging, and what it looks like to build a family media enterprise not as a brand exercise but as a genuine act of service. 🎧 Listen Now on A Life Worth Working This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • March 31 · 33 min

    She Had Never Seen a Pilot Who Looked Like Her — Then She Became One

    Episode: A Life Worth Working | Guest: Refilwe Ledwaba | Girls Fly Africa 🎧 Watch/Listen Now What does it take to become the first? In this episode of A Life Worth Working, Refilwe Ledwaba shares her journey of becoming South Africa’s first Black African female helicopter pilot — a milestone shaped by resilience, exposure, and the courage to imagine beyond what she could see. Growing up in a township during apartheid, aviation wasn’t visible or accessible. The skies felt distant — not because of ability, but because of exposure. It wasn’t until she encountered a female pilot that something shifted. That moment cracked open possibility. But the path wasn’t easy. Refilwe faced financial barriers, cultural resistance, and systemic exclusion in the aviation industry. Listen to this episode if you want to hear more about: * Overcoming systemic barriers in aviation * Career pivots and professional resilience * Representation in STEM fields * The power of exposure in shaping career paths * Leadership forged through adversity Refilwe’s story isn’t just about aviation. It’s about what happens when young people aren’t exposed to the full range of what’s possible for them — and what we lose as a society when aptitude goes unseen because opportunity never arrived. In an age of rapid technological change, exposure isn’t a luxury. It’s a prerequisite for navigating an uncertain future. Studies show that kids with natural aptitude for STEM fields often don’t pursue them — not because they can’t, but because they never knew those paths existed. Refilwe knew that firsthand. And she’s spending her life making sure the next generation doesn’t have to find out the hard way. About Refilwe Ledwaba Refilwe is South Africa's first Black female helicopter pilot, a fixed-wing commercial pilot, and the founder of Girls Fly Africa — a nonprofit that has reached over 100,000 young women across Botswana, Cameroon, and South Africa, introducing them to aviation, aerospace, coding, and robotics through STEM education. About the Podcast: A Life Worth Working A Life Worth Working is hosted by Michelle Weise, a writer on the future of learning and work, and Dana Allen Walsh, an executive coach and pastor. Each week, they talk with guests who open up about the messiness, transformation, and wonder of their work lives — what they call the soul of work. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • March 24 · 8 min

    When the Doctor Becomes the Patient:

    A Life Worth Working — Sh*t Pile Series | Guest: Dr. Todd Kim | Orthopedic Surgeon About This Episode This is part of our Sh*t Pile series, where we ask guests to share one raw, unfiltered moment of failure, stuckness, or devastation that ended up fertilizing something remarkable. Rather than the shiny milestones, we dig into the messy truth behind real transformation. “It reminded me that my job is not the most important thing. For me or anyone else.” Dr. Todd Kim is an orthopedic surgeon who shares three moments with us that reshaped how he practices medicine: the humbling intern feedback that confirmed he was in the wrong field, the patient who coded after a routine surgery, and the rare heart condition that landed him in the ICU, where he finally understood, from the other side of the bed, what compassion actually means to a patient. Listen to the Full Episode For the complete story — including Todd’s journey from aspiring minister to orthopedic surgeon, his time volunteering at Mother Teresa’s home in Calcutta, and how he’s now teaching surgeons in low- and middle-income countries — catch Todd’s full episode on A Life Worth Working. 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode. ⭐ Leave a review — it helps more people find the show. 📩 Email us: alifeworthworking@gmail.com 🎧 Listen Now Subscribe to Skilling Me Softly | A Life Worth Working to make sure you don’t miss the latest posts and podcast episodes. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • March 17 · 24 min

    The "Wrong" Path that Made Him a Better Doctor

    What if the path you’re meant to follow isn’t the most efficient one? Why the Long Way around Matters… In this episode of A Life Worth Working, orthopedic surgeon Dr. Todd Kim shares a deeply personal and nonlinear career journey shaped by faith, global service, doubt, and courage. From witnessing missionary doctors in rural India, to volunteering with Mother Teresa’s Home for the Destitute and Dying, to switching medical specialties mid-residency, Todd’s story challenges the myth that meaningful careers follow a straight line. This episode explores why changing course isn’t failure—but discernment in action. What You’ll Learn in This Episode * Why Todd switched residencies mid-training — leaving internal medicine to start over in surgery — and how that “inefficient” detour made him a better surgeon * What he witnessed volunteering at Mother Teresa’s Home for Dying Destitutes in Calcutta — and what it taught him about joy in impossible circumstances * The moment he got feedback that his clinical notes “read like a surgeon’s” — while he was supposed to be an internist * Why a rare heart condition that landed him in the ICU completely reframed his relationship to his work and his patients * How traumatic injuries from road accidents kill more people globally than all infectious diseases combined — and why that changes what global health needs from surgeons * What it felt like to shake Mother Teresa’s hand (spoiler: surprisingly firm grip) * Why being enthusiastic about everything can look like indecision — and why it might actually be your greatest strength 🎧 Listen to the full episode episode with Dr. Todd Kim on A Life Worth Working, and rediscover what it means to build a career rooted in service, compassion, and purpose. Skilling Me Softly | A Life Worth Working is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • March 10 · 11 min

    The Leadership Mistakes that Nearly Broke Him

    Leadership, resilience, and career growth aren’t built in perfect conditions; they’re forged in failure. In this Sh*t Pile episode of A Life Worth Working, Jehron Petty shares what he learned about leadership through the early years of doubt, uncertainty, and lost confidence. If you’re building something, leading a team, or questioning yourself in the process, this conversation will remind you that nothing is wasted. Skilling Me Softly | A Life Worth Working is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • March 3 · 22 min

    He Turned Down Google to Build a Movement

    Jehron Petty was on track for Google — until he realized too many talented Black and Latino students were being pushed out of computer science because they lacked community, confidence, and belonging. This episode of A Life Worth Working is the story about career growth through service: how investing in others creates expanding circles of impact, purpose, and resilience. Jehron’s journey reminds us that success is rarely a solo act. It grows in community, in moments of mentorship, and in the courage to build what you once needed yourself. From a high school athlete chasing a basketball dream to a tech leader creating opportunities for thousands, his story is proof that career growth isn’t about climbing alone — it’s about lifting as you rise. And when we invest in belonging, we don’t just change individual futures: We change the system itself. If you’ve ever wondered how to turn a personal passion into a mission-driven career, this episode will leave you inspired. 🎧 Join Dana and Michelle as they chat with Jehron on this latest episode of A Life Worth Working!! And of course, don’t forget to subscribe and share with your friends and loved ones! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • February 24 · 7 min

    When Burnout Is the Beginning

    “So much of street psychiatry is about the longitudinal nature of people’s hopes and dreams — coming to understand them over time.” What if burnout and career overwhelm aren’t signs of failure—but the starting point for deeper purpose and meaningful work? In this Sh*t Pile episode of A Life Worth Working, Dr. Katie Koh, a street psychiatrist, reflects on the early years of her career when meaningful work collided with burnout, role overload, and the pressure to “do it all.” Katie’s story offers a powerful lens on physician burnout, career sustainability, and nonlinear professional growth—especially in mission-driven fields like healthcare and mental health. Katie shares how learning to slow down, rethink productivity, and embrace relationship-based care transformed both her work life and her sense of calling. "I still feel like I'm learning every day. I'm still undoing what I was taught in residency and having to think about it in a different way." Katie’s story is a compelling reminder that sometimes the messiest seasons of work become the compost for a more sustainable, human-centered vocation. 🎧 Don’t miss this Shit Pile episode of A Life Worth Working…. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • February 17 · 19 min

    Why This Psychiatrist Treats Patients on the Sidewalk

    Most doctors practice medicine inside clinics and hospitals, but psychiatrist Dr. Katie Koh practices mental health care on sidewalks, park benches, and city streets. In this episode of A Life Worth Working, Katie shares her powerful career path into street psychiatry, a growing field focused on homelessness and mental health, trauma-informed care, and continuity of care for people living on the margins. As a street psychiatrist, Katie spends months—and sometimes years—building trust with individuals experiencing chronic homelessness, severe mental illness, substance use disorders, and complex trauma. Her work challenges dominant assumptions about career success, work efficiency, and our culture of productivity. 🎧 Listen to this episode of A Life Worth Working with Katie Koh for her inspiring example of how meaningful careers are built—not through optimization, but through presence and persistence. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

  • February 10 · 19 min

    He Lost the Future He Imagined—What Came Next Changed Everything

    Some losses don’t just break your heart; they break the future you thought you were building. In this Sh*t Pile episode of A Life Worth Working, philosopher and writer Matthew Clemente shares the most devastating season of his life: the loss of two children, the unraveling of long-held certainties, and the haunting question of whether joy would ever return. What follows is a raw and deeply human reflection on grief, resilience, post-traumatic growth, and the courage to live through suffering Matthew describes how profound loss reshaped his marriage, his faith, his understanding of hope—and his relationship to work and purpose. Instead of hardening into cynicism, he discovered that suffering can become sacred ground: a place where meaning, connection, and unexpected joy can still take root. This episode explores: * The role of community, love, and meaning-making after devastating loss * What post-traumatic growth looks like in real life, not theory If you’re navigating loss, burnout, or a season where life feels unbearably heavy, this conversation offers a rare kind of comfort—not easy answers—but honest companionship through the darkness. 🎧 Listen to this extra Sh*t Pile episode from A Life Worth Working and discover why even the most painful moments can become compost for a new beginning. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit michelleweise.substack.com

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