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🎙️ Welcome to Two Chiefs, One Mic 🎙️
Real talk. No filters. Straight from the top seat.
Hosted by Chief Scott Hughes and Chief Mike Hawkins, Two Chiefs, One Mic is the podcast where law enforcement leadership gets honest. We dive into the challenges, lessons, and moments no one tells you about when you're handed the chief's badge.
Whether you're a current police chief, climbing the ranks, or just passionate about the profession, this is your inside look at what it really means to lead in modern policing.
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S2 · E17
Thursday · 39 min
Ken & Wendee Grubbs: Tactical Relationship Training
In this episode of Two Chiefs One Mic, Scott Hughes sits down with Ken and Wendee Grubbs of Bless the Badge to discuss Tactical Relationship Training and their work helping law enforcement couples strengthen their marriages. They share practical advice on communication, setting expectations for decompression after a shift, and recognizing when silence creates distance at home. Scott also reflects on lessons from his own career about making family a priority. Whether you wear the badge or love someone who does, this conversation offers tools to help you invest in your relationship.
S2 · E16
September 25 · 22 min
Law Enforcement Skillbridge
Police departments looking for new ways to recruit should take a closer look at the DoD SkillBridge program. In this episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, Scott Hughes talks with Mike Forehand of Police Hiring Solutions about how SkillBridge connects transitioning service members with civilian career opportunities. Mike explains what police agencies need to do to participate, how to build a useful training experience, and why giving candidates a realistic look at the profession can benefit both the service member and the department. If you’re a police leader exploring new recruiting options—or a service member considering a career in law enforcement—this conversation is a good place to start.
S2 · E16
September 3 · 36 min
Adam Davis
Adam Davis shares his remarkable journey, beginning with his experience as a police officer and the challenges he faced. After battling alcoholism and reaching a low point in his life, Adam found solace in writing. His commitment to helping others in the law enforcement community has led to the release of 11 books and a mission to positively impact officers across the country.
S2 · E13
August 19 · 34 min
Leadership Under Fire with Keith Grounsell
What happens when doing the right thing puts your career on the line? On this episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, we sit down with Keith Grounsell, author of Leadership Under Fire, for a candid conversation about integrity, resilience, politics, and the realities of leading in law enforcement. Keith shares lessons from nearly 30 years in law enforcement, including his time as a DEA Special Agent, police chief, and international work with police forces around the world. We dive into one of the most challenging periods of his career: when Keith refused to compromise his integrity, lost his position, and was ultimately vindicated and reinstated as chief. We also talk about rebuilding a divided department, navigating politics, empowering your people, and why some of the most important leadership lessons come when doing the right thing isn't easy. This is a great conversation for current and aspiring police leaders, and anyone who has ever had their leadership tested. 🎙️ Two Chiefs, One Mic
S2 · E13
August 18 · 22 min
Revolutionizing First Responder Safety with the Lit Traffic Vest
What happens when a tragedy exposes a problem with equipment first responders have relied on for decades? On this episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, we sit down with Don Campbell, creator of the Lit Traffic Vest, an LED safety vest designed to make police officers, firefighters, and other first responders more visible while working dangerous roadway scenes. The idea came after the tragic death of Officer Dale Woods, who was struck by a vehicle while directing traffic in 2019. Don recognized that traditional reflective vests can become difficult to see against the flashing lights, headlights, and visual chaos of an emergency scene. His solution was simple: instead of relying on reflected light, create your own. Don shares how that idea became the Lit Traffic Vest, why he chose green LED lighting, what he learned through real-world testing, and why he believes better visibility can save first responders' lives. It's a conversation about tragedy, innovation, officer safety, and challenging the way we've always done things. 🎙️ Two Chiefs, One Mic with Chief Mike Hawkins and retired Chief Scott Hughes.
S2 · E12
August 3 · 32 min
The "Outside Chief" with Adam Nielsen
One of the biggest decisions a community can make is hiring its next police chief. Most people see the announcement after the decision has been made. They don't see what it's like for the person stepping into a department where every relationship has to be built from scratch. Our latest episode of Two Chiefs One Mic explores that transition with Chief Adam Nielsen, who left Colorado after more than 20 years in law enforcement to become Chief of Police for Miami Township in Montgomery County, Ohio. We talked about what drew him to Ohio, the hiring process, relocating his family, earning the trust of officers and the community, and what every new chief should focus on during those critical first few months. Whether you're a current chief, someone aspiring to lead an agency, or involved in selecting your next police chief, I think you'll find some practical takeaways from this conversation.
S2 · E9
June 17 · 48 min
Scott & Mike
For nearly 30 years, Scott had the privilege of serving in this profession. In our latest episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, Mike and Scott sat down and talked about the journey - from a kid wearing a plastic badge, to a police explorer, to a patrol officer, supervisor, and eventually chief. We also talked about how much policing has changed over the years. Some of those changes have been positive. Some have created challenges we're still trying to work through. We discuss leadership, accountability, the importance of proactive policing, and what we believe may be one of the biggest issues facing law enforcement today: developing and mentoring the next generation of officers. Whether you've worn the badge for 30 years, just pinned it on, or simply care about the future of policing, we think you'll enjoy this conversation.
S2 · E9
May 20 · 39 min
The Heart Stopped. The Mission Started.
What happens when a healthy 26-year-old police officer suddenly goes into cardiac arrest? In this powerful episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, Brandon Griffith shares his unbelievable survival story, the life-changing events that followed, and how it led to the creation of Griffith Blue Heart, a nonprofit focused on saving lives through advanced medical training, technology, and advocacy for first responders. Chief Scott Hughes and Chief Mike Hawkins sit down with Brandon to discuss: Surviving sudden cardiac arrest at just 26 years old The critical role of immediate medical response Why law enforcement officers need better medical preparedness AEDs, training, and technology that can save lives Turning trauma into purpose through Griffith Blue Heart Lessons for officers, agencies, and families everywhere
S2 · E8
May 19 · 39 min
Colonie New York PD Training Program
This episode explores innovative law enforcement training methods, focusing on decision-making, skills practice, and confidence building through tactical decision games and scenario-based roll call training. Guests share empirical findings and practical insights on improving the effectiveness of police briefings.
S2 · E7
April 27 · 21 min
Chief Kurt Holden | Wright State University
Had a great conversation with Chief Kurt Holden about his career in university policing, his experience at the FBI National Academy, and his perspective on where the profession is heading. We also talked leadership—what it looks like in practice and how it shapes an organization over time. For those of you in Ohio, Chief Holden is currently running for 2nd Vice President of the Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police—and this episode gives you a good sense of his leadership style and approach.
S2 · E6
April 22 · 38 min
Daniel Grubbs
Summary In this episode, retired police captain Daniel Grubbs shares his innovative program on marriage wellness and officer mental health, emphasizing the importance of identity, faith, and work-life balance in law enforcement. Discover practical strategies to support officers' well-being and leadership insights that can transform department culture.
S2 · E5
April 6 · 27 min
Chief Shaw | Financial Wellness
🚨 On the latest episode of the 𝑻𝒘𝒐 𝑪𝒉𝒊𝒆𝒇𝒔, 𝑶𝒏𝒆 𝑴𝒊𝒄 𝑷𝒐𝒅𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕, we talked to Chief Michael Shaw from Webster, Massachusetts Police Department, and he brings a perspective you don’t hear nearly enough in this profession:👉 What if one of the biggest factors impacting recruitment, retention, AND performance… is 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬?💡 In this episode, we dive into:▪️ The real impact of financial stress on officer decision-making and well-being▪️ How financial education can improve morale and stability▪️ Practical strategies to recruit AND retain quality officers▪️ Why departments need to start thinking beyond pay scales
S2 · E4
March 30 · 29 min
Chief Noeller (Pueblo, Colorado)
In this episode, Chief Chris Noeller shares insights from his 33-year law enforcement career, focusing on innovative wellness programs, community engagement, and strategies to reduce violent crime. Discover practical approaches to leadership, officer health, and community safety from a seasoned police chief.
S2 · E3
February 23 · 1 hr 19 min
Parkland Florida School Shooting
Parkland, Florida. One of the deadliest school shootings in American history. Chief Mike Hawkins and I sat down with Zack Scott and Richard Sessions to discuss the tragedy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. This episode is about capturing the truth of what happened. Beyond headlines, hindsight, and sound bites. We talk candidly about chaotic scenes, communication breakdowns, leadership accountability, and the lasting mental toll these incidents take on responders. Most importantly, we focus on what law enforcement must learn and apply moving forward in training, preparedness, and unified response. A few takeaways: ➡️ Communication failures change outcomes.➡️ The SRO role is complex — and critical.➡️ Mental health support after critical incidents isn’t optional.➡️ Training must be proactive, not reactive.➡️ Unified response matters.➡️ Leadership accountability matters even more.➡️ Lessons learned only matter if we actually apply them. If you care about officer preparedness, leadership, and telling the real story behind critical incidents, this episode is worth your time.
S2 · E2
February 7 · 38 min
Chief Jeremy Story
Chief Mike Hawkins and Chief Scott Hughes sit down with Jeremy Story, Chief of the Las Cruces Police Department, for a real, candid conversation about leadership, growth, and the realities of modern policing. In this episode, we talk about: ✅ Jeremy’s path into law enforcement and his transition into the chief’s role✅ The early challenges every new chief faces (and what he learned the hard way)✅ Why progressive leadership, transparency, and advocacy matter now more than ever✅ Community engagement and the impact of juvenile crime✅ Officer wellness programs and innovative training approaches✅ The power of mentorship for new and aspiring chiefs Jeremy also shares where he’s taking his department next, and what future initiatives look like in Las Cruces. If you’re a police leader, supervisor, or anyone interested in where policing is headed, this one’s worth your time.
S2 · E1
January 24 · 48 min
The Kyle Dinkheller Story
In this episode of the Two Chiefs One Mic podcast, Chief Mike Hawkins and Scott Hughes welcome Kirk Dinkheller, father of fallen officer Kyle Dinkheller, who was tragically killed during a traffic stop in 1998. Kirk shares the story of his son, the events leading up to the incident, and the impact it has had on law enforcement training and culture. The conversation delves into the court proceedings following Kyle's death, the emotional toll on Kirk and the community, and the importance of remembering and learning from Kyle's story to ensure the safety of officers today.
S1 · E17
Dec 17, 2025 · 43 min
Vehicle Dynamics & Training
In this episode of the Two Chiefs One Mic Podcast, hosts Mike Hawkins and Scott Hughes welcome Chief Jay Gerace of the Colonie, New York, Police Department to discuss innovative training methods to improve officer safety during traffic stops. The conversation highlights the importance of practical training, the need for policy changes, and the impact of real-life scenarios on officer behavior. Chief Gerace shares insights into his department's training programs, emphasizing the need to adapt training to prevent incidents such as officers jumping in front of moving vehicles. The episode concludes with key takeaways for law enforcement leaders on enhancing training effectiveness and ensuring officer safety. Links: https://www.police1.com/police-leader-playbook/the-leadership-beat-there-is-a-fundamental-difference-between-mistakes-and-misconduct
S1 · E18
Nov 27, 2025 · 40 min
Episode 18 | Pete Havel
Title: Fireproofing Your Workplace: Insights from Pete Havel on Combating Toxic Employees Introduction: In today's fast-paced work environment, toxic employees can wreak havoc on organizations, draining morale and hindering productivity. In a recent episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, host Scott Hughes converses with Pete Havel, author of "The Arsonist in the Office," who shares invaluable insights on identifying and dealing with these workplace arsonists. This blog post will explore key takeaways from their conversation, highlighting strategies to cultivate a healthier workplace. Understanding the Problem: The Inspiration Behind the Book Pete Havel's journey to writing "The Arsonist in the Office" stemmed from his experiences in a challenging work environment. He likens toxic employees to arsonists, igniting chaos and undermining organizational culture. Havel emphasizes that the inspiration for his book came from a desire to make sense of these difficult situations and help others navigate similar challenges. His unique perspective, coming from the private sector rather than law enforcement, allows him to identify universal problems faced by organizations across different fields. Identifying Toxic Employees: The Signs to Look For One of the podcast's main discussions revolves around recognizing the signs of toxicity in the workplace. Havel points out that while some toxic employees are easy to identify, others may be hidden in plain sight. Key indicators of toxic behavior include: - High absenteeism rates and frequent sick time usage. - Negative attitudes that affect team morale. - Generating citizen complaints or causing issues that trigger early warning systems. - Lack of engagement or participation in team discussions. - Leadership statements that discourage open communication and accountability. Moreover, Havel notes that those in leadership positions often overlook these signs due to fear of confrontation or potential backlash. He stresses the importance of addressing these issues head-on, as inaction can allow toxic behaviors to proliferate. The Role of Leadership in Combatting Toxicity Effective leadership is crucial in fostering a positive workplace culture. Havel argues that weak leadership often enables toxic behaviors to flourish. Leaders must be willing to confront difficult employees and create an environment where accountability is the norm. He encourages leaders to be proactive in addressing toxicity, even if it means risking their own comfort. By doing so, they can leave a legacy of positive change within their organization. Creating a Healthy Workplace Culture Havel provides listeners with actionable advice on how to cultivate a positive workplace culture. This includes: - Leading by example and modeling the behavior expected from employees. - Engaging with team members, encouraging open dialogue, and addressing concerns promptly. - Recognizing and rewarding positive contributions, thereby reinforcing desired behaviors. - Providing necessary resources and support to help employees thrive. Conclusion: Key Takeaways In conclusion, the conversation between Scott Hughes and Pete Havel sheds light on the critical issue of toxic employees in the workplace. By recognizing the signs of toxicity and taking decisive action, leaders can create a healthier and more productive work environment. The key takeaways include the importance of strong leadership, open communication, and a commitment to fostering a positive culture. As organizations navigate the challenges of managing personnel, it is vital to prioritize the well-being of all employees, ensuring they have the tools and support to succeed.
S1 · E17
Nov 18, 2025 · 44 min
Dr. Leah Kaylor
Introduction: In a world where hustle often overshadows health, the importance of sleep is frequently overlooked. In a recent episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, hosts Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins engage in a thought-provoking discussion with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a licensed clinical psychologist for the FBI and author of the enlightening book "If Sleep Were a Drug." This conversation sheds light on the profound impact of sleep on wellness, particularly in high-stress professions such as law enforcement. The Significance of Sleep in Law Enforcement: During the podcast, Dr. Kaylor emphasizes that sleep is not merely a period of inactivity; it is a vital function for our brain and body. She notes that many police officers suffer from chronic sleep deprivation, which can severely impair decision-making and increase the likelihood of errors in judgment. As Scott Hughes points out, tired officers can lead to an increase in citizen complaints and use-of-force incidents. Dr. Kaylor argues that a culture shift in law enforcement is required to prioritize sleep, which is often dismissed as a luxury rather than a necessity. The Brain's Nightly Clean-Up: One of the most striking revelations from Dr. Kaylor is how the brain cleans itself during deep sleep. She describes this process as a "brain carwash," where cerebral spinal fluid flushes away toxins and misfolded proteins that accumulate throughout the day. Without sufficient sleep, this critical cleaning process is disrupted, leading to long-term health issues, including neurodegenerative disorders like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease. This analogy highlights the detrimental effects of neglecting sleep and serves as a wake-up call to officers who often sacrifice rest for the sake of their work. Individuals working the Night Shift: Many police officers work night shifts, which can further complicate their sleep patterns. Dr. Kaylor advises that those on night shifts need to be even more proactive about maintaining good sleep hygiene. She points out that our biology is still wired for daytime activity, making it essential for night workers to create a conducive sleep environment during the day. The podcast emphasizes that sleep deprivation in night-shift workers can increase the risk of serious health issues, including cancer, underscoring the need for proper sleep strategies. Sleep Deprivation and Performance: The conversation also delves into the alarming effects of sleep deprivation on performance and safety in law enforcement. Dr. Kaylor draws a parallel between the effects of sleep deprivation and intoxication, noting that when officers are deprived of sleep, their cognitive functions decline significantly. This decline can lead to poor decision-making, decreased reaction times, and ultimately, increased risks to public safety. The podcast calls for a reevaluation of how sleep is regarded in law enforcement, advocating for policies that support proper rest for officers. Conclusion: The insights shared by Dr. Leah Kaylor in this podcast episode serve as a crucial reminder of the importance of sleep in maintaining not only our health but also our professional efficacy. As law enforcement professionals face unprecedented pressures, prioritizing sleep can no longer be an afterthought. The key takeaways are clear: sleep is essential for optimal brain function, decision-making, and promoting overall wellness. By fostering a culture that values rest, we can enhance not only the lives of officers but also the communities they serve.
S1 · E16
Nov 13, 2025 · 39 min
Jessica Flores
In this episode, Jessica Flores shares her journey from law enforcement to wellness advocacy, discussing the challenges faced by officers, the importance of mental health, and the need for supportive communities. She emphasizes the significance of identity beyond the badge and the impact of leadership on officer well-being. Jessica also highlights her initiatives to create spaces for officers to share their stories and support one another, ultimately aiming to foster a healthier police culture.

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