Katie Moussouris on the Anthropic Export-Control Mess

(Presented by TLPBLACK: A cybersecurity intelligence platform focused on sharing curated, high-sensitivity threat insights and research with trusted security professionals.) Three Buddy Problem - Episode 102: Software export controls expert Katie Moussouris joins the show to unpack the US government's abrupt move to suspend access to Anthropic's most powerful models over a so-called "jailbreak" that, on reading the paper, turned out to be a model doing exactly what defenders are supposed to do. We dig into the export-control chaos, the chemical-weapons framing of cybersecurity, the China question, and why Microsoft just resurrected a disclosure term the industry buried fifteen years ago. Cast: Katie Moussouris, Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade and Ryan Naraine. Costin is traveling. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introductory banter 1:00 - Export Controls: Fable 5 and Mythos 5 suspended 3:40 - The Anthropic–USG relationship and USG’s surveillance claim 9:40 - Self-owns, doomsday cults, and why the guardrails are "so broad" 12:42 - What the Amazon paper actually says ("fix this code") 20:33 - The chemical-weapons framing problem 23:39 - The China question and the SK Telecom angle 41:17 - Why hasn't the paper been published? 57:01 - "Free Fable": are Chinese models only months behind? 1:00:13 - The unforgiving internet and the security poverty line 1:11:18 - Microsoft brings back "responsible disclosure" (and threatens researchers) 1:29:04 - Luta Security, the AI bug flood, and shout-outs Links: Transcript Katie Moussouris | LinkedIn JAGS on NPR: Can computer hackers get inside your mind? Anthropic Statement on the USG Export Controls Moussouris: Fable 5 Export Controls Harm US Cyber Defense Anthropic's Fable Backlash (David Sacks podcast) AI imaging company Midjourney tackles MRI scanning Microsoft Threatens Vuln Researchers Microsoft blog on CVD and POC publications TLPBLACK LABScon CFP Luta Security