The Relentless Rejects Podcast

Preston Lyons

The Relentless Rejects podcast, hosted by Preston Lyons, dives into the tough conversations the fire service needs to address: leadership, culture, accountability, and the personal battles we face behind the scenes. We expose what’s not working, share real stories from the field, and bring forward-thinking solutions to help firefighters lead with purpose and leave the job better than they found it.
The principle of the Relentless Rejects is to be honorable in everything we do. You will face adversity for challenging mediocrity and the status quo. You will be questioned by your bosses and judged by your peers. But if your actions are rooted in making the fire service better, demanding more of those who serve, and striving for a culture that people want to be a part of, then Embrace the Target. The Rejects are Forged Through Adversity.

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July 14 · 1 hr 32 min
Leadership at Every Rank, Featuring Marshall Boyd
summary In this engaging interview, Marshall shares his journey from a Houston sports enthusiast to a dedicated firefighter, emphasizing the importance of faith, family, and leadership in the fire service. Discover insights on leadership, influence, and the value of humility and continuous learning in the fire community. In this engaging interview, Marshall shares his journey of stepping outside his comfort zone to learn, network, and grow as a fire service professional. He discusses the importance of mentorship, involvement in training communities like the Vigilantes and Fire Tactics, and the value of authentic leadership and continuous learning.
April 16 · 1 hr 41 min
You Don’t Get to Rewrite Your Story-You Earn It Featuring Nichole O'Donnell from The Salty Rookie
Who you were doesn’t define you, but what you do next does . In this episode, firefighter and author Nichole O’Donnell shares her journey from a troubled past to building a career in the fire service. Known as “The Salty Rookie,” Nichole breaks down the reality of growth, discipline, and what it takes to earn your place in a profession built on standards. This conversation goes beyond surface-level motivation. It covers resilience, accountability, and the challenge of building a reputation—both in the firehouse and on social media, while staying authentic to who you are. Nichole also shares lessons from writing her book, navigating criticism, and representing women in the fire service without lowering the standard. Key Takeaways: Why your past doesn’t define you—but your actions do The role of discipline and consistency in personal growth Navigating adversity and building resilience in the fire service The impact of social media on your professional reputation How to build a personal brand without losing authenticity Breaking stereotypes while maintaining high performance standards Why leadership starts with accountability This episode is a direct look at what it means to take ownership of your story, and back it up with action.
April 9 · 1 hr 24 min
You Know What to Do, So Why Aren’t You Doing It? | Josh Banks
Most firefighters don’t have a knowledge problem; they have an execution problem. In this episode, Josh Banks breaks down what actually drives performance in the fire service: accountability, training consistency, and the ability to execute under pressure. This conversation covers leadership, fitness, decision-making, and the realities of balancing work and family life. From real-world training in gear to documenting performance and making fast decisions on the fireground, Josh emphasizes that growth comes from action, not intention. This isn’t about doing more. It’s about doing what matters, consistently. Key Takeaways: Why failing is a necessary part of growth The importance of continuous training—especially outside your department How to improve decision-making in high-pressure environments Why accountability and documentation matter more than you think The role of fitness and nutrition in fireground performance How to balance family life with the demands of the job Why execution—not knowledge—separates professional If you want to perform at a higher level in the fire service, this episode will challenge how you approach training, discipline, and daily standards.
April 2 · 1 hr 21 min
Leadership Isn’t a Rank—It’s a Responsibility featuring Jason Hoevelmann
What separates average leaders from those who actually move the fire service forward? In this episode, Chief Jason Hoevelmann breaks down the reality of leadership in today’s fire service—where expectations are high, pressure is constant, and leaders are never truly off the clock. Drawing from decades of experience and national-level instruction, Chief Hoevelmann shares practical insights on mentorship, leadership development, and building a culture that produces strong company officers and resilient teams. This conversation focuses on what leadership actually requires: continuous learning, accountability, and the ability to influence people at every level of the organization. Why leadership is a responsibility—not a position The critical role mentorship plays in firefighter development How to build a culture that supports growth and accountability Strategies for new company officers navigating leadership challenges The importance of adapting leadership styles across generations How to address conflict, toxicity, and complacency in the firehouse Why continuous learning is non-negotiable for leaders If you’re serious about leadership in the fire service, this episode provides a clear standard for what it takes. Key Takeaways:
March 26 · 1 hr 20 min
Pressure Is a Privilege | Faith, Family, and Fire Service Leadership – Josh Bourque
What happens when pressure isn’t something you avoid—but something you chase? In this episode, firefighter and Mississippi Smoke Diver Josh Bourque breaks down what it means to live up to a legacy while building your own identity in the fire service. As a second-generation firefighter, Josh shares the weight of expectation, the responsibility of the job, and the role faith and family play in keeping everything aligned. This conversation goes beyond surface-level leadership talk. It gets into mental toughness, discipline, and the internal standards required to build a culture of excellence—starting with yourself. Josh makes it clear: pressure is not the enemy. It’s the proving ground. Key Takeaways: Why faith should anchor your identity—not your job The reality of growing up in a fire service legacy How pressure can either break you or build you What Smoke Diver training teaches about mental toughness Why training hard is a responsibility, not an option How to lead without rank or title The connection between personal standards and firehouse culture If you’re serious about the job, this episode will challenge how you think about leadership, discipline, and what it means to be a professional firefighter.
March 19 · 1 hr 22 min
"The Little Things Mean the Most" Featuring Adam Patterson
What does real leadership in the fire service actually look like? In this episode, Battalion Chief Adam Patterson breaks down the realities of leadership beyond the rank—where mental health, family, and brotherhood all collide. This isn’t theory. Adam shares lessons from his transition into command, the weight of responsibility, and the importance of staying grounded as a husband, father, and leader. From navigating difficult conversations to building a culture of accountability, this conversation focuses on what actually moves the needle inside a firehouse. The truth is simple: the little things matter. The way you show up, communicate, and support your people will define your leadership far more than any tactic ever will. Key Takeaways: Why family support is non-negotiable in the fire service The role of mental health and disconnecting from the job How strong brotherhood carries crews through tragedy Leadership through humility, accountability, and consistency Why mentorship is critical for the next generation How to handle conflict without losing credibility The power of positivity in high-stress environments This episode is a direct look at what it means to lead with intention—on the fireground, in the station, and at home.
March 12 · 1 hr 38 min
Sobriety, Leadership & Calculated Aggression in the Fire Service | Justin Carter
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, host Preston Lyons sits down with firefighter Justin Carter to discuss leadership, sobriety, mentorship, and the culture of the fire service. Justin shares his personal journey navigating identity beyond the badge, his path to sobriety, and the lessons he’s learned through mentorship and leadership in the firehouse. The conversation explores the balance between aggressive firefighting and calculated decision-making, the importance of developing experience on the fireground, and why the fire service must prioritize both mental health and servant leadership. Justin also discusses the mission behind his podcast The Carter Mentality, which highlights powerful stories from individuals inside and outside the fire service who are striving to grow, lead, and serve their communities. This episode is a candid discussion about firefighter identity, leadership development, mentorship culture, and the responsibility of the modern firefighter to grow both personally and professionally.
March 7 · 1 hr 10 min
Bonus Episode: Inside the March Mayhem – Podclass Experience
In this bonus episode of the Overhaul Podcast, Preston Lyons sits down with Preston Goldstein to break down one of the most anticipated firefighter training events in the country — March Mayhem Fire Conference. We discuss what makes March Mayhem such a powerful gathering for firefighters and first responders: world-class instructors, hands-on training, meaningful conversations, and a culture that pushes the craft forward. From engine company operations and truck work to leadership panels and mentorship opportunities, this episode gives listeners a preview of the training, speakers, and experiences waiting for firefighters attending the conference. We also talk about the Podclass, live podcast coverage of the event, and why conferences like March Mayhem are critical for strengthening the fire service community. If you care about improving your department, building relationships in the fire service, and learning from some of the best firefighters in the country, this conversation is for you. Firehouse Vigilance https://firehousevigilance.com National Fire Radio https://nationalfireradio.com Ambassadors of the Craft https://ambassadorsofthecraft.com Candice Ashby https://www.linkedin.com/in/candiceashby Kevin Fluger – Dagum Cadre https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinflugger People and Organizations Mentioned
March 5 · 1 hr 34 min
From Complacency to Commitment | Chris “Dragon” Scott on Training, Mentorship & Staying in Love with the Fire Service
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, host Preston Lyons sits down with firefighter Chris “Dragon” Scott to talk about the journey from complacency to commitment in the fire service. Chris shares the honest story of how he went from being overweight and disconnected from the job to becoming deeply passionate about training, mentorship, and building a culture of improvement within his department. The conversation dives into the impact that conferences and mentorship can have on a firefighter’s career, the reality of imposter syndrome among high performers, and the importance of saying “yes” to opportunities that force growth. Chris also explains the origins of his nickname “Dragon,” the lessons he learned launching his podcast, and how firefighters can quietly influence culture and change inside their own departments—even when they don’t hold rank. This episode is about staying in love with the job, building strong crews, and leaving the fire service better than you found it. If you’re a firefighter looking to improve your craft, influence your department, or reconnect with the mission of the job, this conversation will resonate.
February 26 · 1 hr 18 min
You’re Not Just Tired — You’re Dysregulated: Haley Scellick Explains Why
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, Preston Lyons sits down with Haley Scellick, nurse practitioner and co-founder of First Responder Health and Wellness, to address a hard truth: many first responders are operating in chronic stress and calling it “normal.” Haley explains how fatigue, poor sleep, mood swings, weight gain, and declining performance are often early signs of hormonal imbalance and stress dysregulation — not just part of the job. She breaks down cardiovascular risk in the fire service, the impact of shift work on hormones, and why proactive lab work and individualized care matter. The conversation challenges the reactive culture of “wait until something breaks” and replaces it with a preventative, data-driven approach to health. From nutrition and sleep hygiene to stress physiology and telemedicine solutions, this episode is a blueprint for protecting your longevity — both in your career and at home. If you’re serious about staying strong, sharp, and present for your family, this conversation matters.
February 19 · 1 hr 42 min
Go or No-Go? Engine Company Tactics, Fire Behavior & Building Better Firefighters | featuring Jay Bonnifield
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, Preston Lyons sits down with Captain Jay Bonnifield of the Everett Fire Department for a deep dive into what actually shapes a great firefighter and officer. Jay shares the personal side first—overcoming academic struggles, repeatedly testing to get hired, and the sacrifices his wife and family made along the way. From there, the conversation transitions into what truly separates competent firefighters from dangerous ones: decision-making under pressure. They break down: The go/no-go process on the residential fireground Why understanding fire behavior is non-negotiable Exterior vs. interior attack through the lens of survivability The responsibilities of the nozzleman during rescue operations Why live fire training is critical to developing intuition The importance of post-knockdown discipline and procedures How mentorship and frameworks build instinct before the fire ever happens Jay emphasizes that great fireground performance isn’t about heroics—it’s about hierarchy, clarity, and repetition. The officers and firefighters who operate calmly under stress do so because they’ve built a framework that guides their decisions. This episode is about family, discipline, fire dynamics, and the responsibility to raise the standard in the fire service.
February 12 · 1 hr 15 min
First Things First: Faith, Family, and Finding Your Fire Again | Helton Pereira
What happens when you chase the American dream… and end up chasing purpose instead? In this episode, Helton Pereira shares his powerful journey from Brazil to becoming a firefighter in the United States. But this isn’t just a story about career progression — it’s about alignment. Faith. Family. Mentorship. And learning to put first things first. Helton opens up about navigating burnout, rediscovering passion for the job, and building a marriage and home life that thrives alongside the demands of the fire service. He speaks candidly about the importance of fostering a positive firehouse culture, mentoring the next generation, and leading by example—not just in turnout gear, but in everyday life. We also dive into Helton’s upcoming First Things First Conference, designed to strengthen community, character, and connection within the fire service. If you’ve ever felt the weight of the job, struggled to balance career and family, or questioned how to sustain passion long-term, this conversation is for you. Because the job matters. But the order matters more.
January 29 · 1 hr 24 min
Breathe Under Pressure: From the Mats to the Fireground with Danny Massa
In this engaging conversation, Preston Lyons and Daniel Massa explore the intersections of personal growth, martial arts, and firefighting. They discuss Daniel's upbringing in the Bronx, his experiences with bullying, and how martial arts helped him build confidence. The conversation transitions into Daniel's journey into the fire service, highlighting the importance of family legacy and the integration of martial arts into firefighting. They also delve into the significance of breath work in managing stress and enhancing performance in high-pressure situations. In this conversation, Daniel Massa shares his journey into breathwork, highlighting its transformative effects on mental health, performance, and overall well-being. He discusses the importance of proper breathing techniques, especially for firefighters and first responders, and how breath control can significantly impact stress management and emergency response. The dialogue also touches on the mechanics of breathing, the role of the diaphragm, and practical exercises to improve breath efficiency. Massa emphasizes the community aspect of breathwork and its potential to aid those dealing with PTSD and other mental health challenges.
January 21 · 1 hr 53 min
Brotherhood, Business, and the Cost of Growth featuring Jeremy Barker, founder of Murphy Door
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, Preston Lyons interviews Jeremy Barker, a former firefighter turned successful entrepreneur. Jeremy shares his journey from living in his car to building Murphy Door, a leading hidden door brand. He discusses the importance of family support, the challenges of entrepreneurship, and the unique dynamics of brotherhood in the fire service. The conversation delves into mindset shifts, resilience, and the lessons learned from failure, emphasizing that true freedom comes from overcoming challenges and pursuing personal growth. In this conversation, Jeremy Barker shares his journey from being a firefighter to becoming a successful entrepreneur. He emphasizes the importance of valuing one's worth, the discipline required in business, and the significance of setting big goals. The discussion also touches on the mental health challenges faced by firefighters, the power of kindness, and the value of learning from all walks of life. Jeremy encourages listeners to pursue their entrepreneurial dreams while maintaining a servant's heart and a focus on community.
January 14 · 1 hr 24 min
From the Teams to the Teddy Bear: A Navy SEAL’s Descent, Recovery, and the Power of Connection. Featuring Dr. Tony Dice
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, Dr. Tony Dice shares his remarkable journey from a challenging childhood to becoming a firefighter, EMT, and ultimately a Navy SEAL. He discusses the struggles with addiction that followed his military service and the challenges of transitioning to civilian life. Dr. Dice's story highlights the importance of resilience, the impact of mental health, and the journey to recovery, culminating in a powerful message of hope and transformation. In this conversation, Dr. Dice shares his profound journey from addiction to recovery, emphasizing the importance of connection, storytelling, and resilience. He discusses the pivotal moments that led him to become a therapist and how he now helps others navigate their own struggles with addiction. The dialogue explores the holistic approach to recovery, the significance of community support, and the transformative power of sharing personal experiences. Dr. Dice encourages listeners to reach out for help and highlights that recovery is a journey that can lead to a fulfilling life beyond addiction.
January 8 · 1 hr 29 min
Built to Last With Jenny Grima – Wellness, Mental Toughness, and Fire Service Longevity
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, host Preston Lyons speaks with newly promoted Lieutenant Jenny Grima, who shares her unique journey from a biology major to a firefighter. Jenny discusses the challenges she faced in the fire service, the importance of maintaining a work-life balance, and how she turned failures into opportunities for growth. She emphasizes the significance of mental health and personal time, and reflects on her experiences teaching and mentoring others in the field. The conversation highlights the evolving nature of the fire service and the need for continuous learning and adaptation. In this conversation, Jenny Grima shares her journey in the fire service, discussing the challenges she faced as a female firefighter, including doubts, imposter syndrome, and the importance of mentorship. She emphasizes the significance of mental toughness, self-care, and finding a supportive community. Jenny also highlights her holistic approach to wellness and the transformative impact of programs like 75 Hard on her life. Ultimately, she encourages others to pursue their passions and find their tribe.
January 1 · 18 min
The Fire Service Will Outlast Us — Will It Be Better Because You Were Here?
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, Preston Lyons reflects on the past year, discusses the evolution of the podcast from Relentless Rejects to The Overhaul, and emphasizes the importance of personal growth, mentorship, and legacy in the fire service. He shares his vision for 2026 and the collective effort needed to improve the culture and leadership within the fire service community.
Dec 15, 2025 · 1 hr 20 min
The American Fire Service has Thorns featuring Jake Dickes from Sons of Irons
In this episode of the Overhaul Podcast, Captain Jake Dickes shares his journey in the fire service, emphasizing the importance of family, faith, and community. He discusses the challenges of promotion, the need for positive leadership, and the significance of realistic training. Dix highlights the role of passion in firefighting and the necessity of addressing negativity within the firehouse. He concludes with a powerful analogy about the goat head plant, illustrating the multifaceted approach needed to foster a positive culture in the fire service.
Dec 1, 2025 · 1 hr 42 min
Safety in firefighting is about preparation, not avoidance, featuring Chris Wessels
This episode of the Overhaul podcast features a deep dive into the life and career of Chief Chris Wessels, exploring his 34-year journey in the fire service, the importance of family, and the lessons learned along the way. The conversation touches on leadership, mentorship, and the balance between aggression and safety in firefighting.
Nov 17, 2025 · 50 min
The Quest for Sleep Optimization Featuring Dr. Leah Kaylor
In this episode of the Overhaul podcast, Preston Lyons speaks with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a psychologist specializing in sleep hygiene for first responders and military veterans. They discuss the importance of sleep, its connection to mental health, and practical strategies to improve sleep quality. Dr. Kaylor shares her journey into sleep psychology, the challenges first responders face with sleep, and the significance of establishing a consistent sleep routine. The conversation emphasizes the need for awareness of sleep issues and the impact of lifestyle choices on sleep quality.