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Jon Allen and I chat about his book, [Experience: The Magic Of Jon Allen](https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/stage-and-parlor-magic/experience-softback/), about creating magic, about solving problems and about how Jason Alexander was surprised he was good.
Jon will be appearing at The Session 2022.
Book your ticket here.
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