
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
We're all Builders now (Interview)
Jun 5, 2025 · 1 hr 14 min · 108.1 MB
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We’re on location at Microsoft Build 2025 with Amanda Silver, Corporate Vice President of Microsoft’s Developer Division. Amanda leads product, design, user research, and engineering systems for some of the tools you use every day. We discuss the latest AI announcements from Microsoft at Build 2025, how AI is reshaping development tools, what’s next for VS Code, TypeScript, GitHub’s evolution, and even emerging editors like Windsurf that are forking the VS Code ecosystem.
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- 0:00This week on The Changelog
- 1:03Sponsor: Retool
- 3:07Start the show!
- 6:31Microsoft has changed
- 12:46Hostility toward Microsoft
- 18:40Sponsor: Heroku
- 21:46VS Code as a distrobution platform
- 26:55Is developer tooling a lousy business?
- 30:46Guard rails for AI
- 35:11AI vs AI
- 36:58Code modernization with AI
- 44:22Autonomous agents
- 46:40Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco
- 47:44"Secret Agent" should be a thing
- 54:17Orchestrating AI
- 57:32Predictions for this time next year
- 1:02:57VS Code vs Windsurf (VS Code forks)
- 1:06:09Is Windsurf competition?
- 1:09:44Software is not built in a chat
- 1:12:29Wrapping up
- 1:12:38Changelog.com/live !!!!