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The CEO of htmx likes codin' dirty (Interview)

Jun 18, 2025 · 1 hr 23 min · 80.0 MB
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Jerod is joined by Carson Gross, the creator of htmx –a small, zero-dependency JavaScript library that he says, “completes HTML as a hypertext”. Carson built it because he’s big on hypermedia, he even wrote a book called Hypermedia Systems. Carson has a lot of strong opinions weakly held that we dive into in this conversation.

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