
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Leading leaders who lead engineers (remastered) (Interview)
Mar 26, 2025 · 1 hr 14 min · 71.5 MB
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This week we’re bringing you a remaster of our epic 2021interview with Lara Hogan – author of Resilient Management and management coach / trainer for the tech industry.
The majority of our conversation focuses on the four primary hats leaders and managers end up wearing; mentoring, coaching, sponsoring, and delivering feedback. We also talk about knowing when you’re ready to lead, empathy and compassion, and learning to lead.
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Sponsors:
- Heroku – The Next Generation of Heroku “Fir” is coming soon — Fir is built on a foundation of cloud native technologies and open source standards, ensuring portability, interoperability, and a vibrant ecosystem for your applications. Cloud Native for everyone, for the next decade and beyond.
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Featuring:
- Lara Hogan – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
- An excerpt from Resilient Management on A List Apart
- Paloma Medina
- Core Needs: BICEPS
- Lara’s book
- The Manager’s Path: A Guide for Tech Leaders Navigating Growth and Change
- Your brain on progress – Increment
- Voltron!
- I’m a cog
- The Changelog #342: From zero to thought leader in 6 months with Emma Bostian
- Lara Hogan on mentorship and sponsorship
- What does sponsorship look like?
- Linchpin from Seth Godin
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
our epic 2021interview
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changelog.comHeroku
heroku.comDepot
depot.devRetool
retool.comWebsite
wherewithall.comGitHub
github.comLinkedIn
linkedin.comX
x.comWebsite
adamstacoviak.comGitHub
github.comLinkedIn
linkedin.comMastodon
changelog.socialX
x.comWebsite
jerodsanto.netGitHub
github.comLinkedIn
linkedin.comMastodon
changelog.socialX
x.comAn excerpt from Resilient Management on A List Apart
alistapart.comPaloma Medina
palomamedina.comCore Needs: BICEPS
palomamedina.comLara’s book
abookapart.comYour brain on progress – Increment
increment.comVoltron!
en.wikipedia.orgI’m a cog
adamstacoviak.comLara Hogan on mentorship and sponsorship
changelog.comWhat does sponsorship look like?
larahogan.meLinchpin from Seth Godin
amazon.comPRs welcome!
github.com
- 0:00Welcome to The Changelog
- 1:12Sponsor: Heroku
- 3:55Start the show!
- 5:17Mentoring vs sponsoring
- 8:14100% sponsorship
- 10:33Receiving sponsorship
- 12:01More connection
- 13:04How Lara learned this stuff
- 15:40Lending support
- 17:43Shadowing
- 20:18Our default approach
- 20:47Managing vs leading
- 26:43Sponsor: Depot
- 29:03The four hats
- 31:58Camping out in coaching
- 34:16What are you optimizing for?
- 35:40What does success look like?
- 36:22What's the worst that could happen?
- 36:55On coaching athletes
- 38:34Giving good feedback
- 43:50How Lara learned this stuff (remastered)
- 46:12Book recommendations
- 49:28Sponsor: Retool
- 52:25Engineer to manager
- 55:42Try it on
- 58:21Do engineers make good managers?
- 59:38Celebrate the wins
- 1:01:41Lara stories
- 1:04:22Manager Voltron
- 1:06:00Manager framework
- 1:08:15Cogs vs lynch pins
- 1:11:40Wrapping up
- 1:12:29Closing thoughts