
Exploring with agents (Interview)
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Today on the show I’m talking with Amelia Wattenberger — designer, data-viz veteran, ex-GitHub Next, and now designing Intent at Augment Code. What if the last 30% of any software project is about to become the hardest part you’ve ever done? That’s the argument Amelia is making today. We discuss the identity crisis developers are having as agents take over the keyboard, the epic redesign of developer tooling in this agent-first world, the arc from autocomplete to chat to CLI back to UI, why Intent treats a workspace as their core primitive not a chat thread, the tradeoffs between one-worktree-per-agent vs. one-worktree-per-task, and why she thinks prototyping just got easier but finishing got harder.
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- GitHub Copilot — the launch that kicked off this era (mentioned ~12×)
- GitHub Next — GitHub’s R&D team; where Amelia worked
- GitHub Actions
- Intent — Augment Code’s new workspace-first agent app that Amelia is building (the core product discussion)
- Augie — Augment’s agent
- Claude Code
- Codex
- Notion AI
- VS Code
- Incus — system-level containers/VMs; the Canonical LXD fork
- Proxmox — Adam’s hypervisor platform for the sandbox
- ZFS — storage layer Incus is built on
- Bun — JavaScript runtime
- Rust
- Go
- Ruby on Rails
- SvelteKit
- Svelte
- TypeScript
- TanStack Start
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- 0:00Welcome to The Changelog
- 1:50Sponsor: WorkOS
- 4:50Start the show!
- 7:11Copilot and GitHub Next
- 15:0470/30 flip and software hoarders
- 20:48Open source in the agent age
- 25:48Agent Flow and personal software
- 30:17Sponsor: RWX
- 33:00Gauntlet side quest
- 35:31Intent and workspaces before PRs
- 38:48Intent and the workspace primitive
- 42:45One worktree per task
- 46:49Coordinator, implementer, verifier
- 52:42Your work is too important to do the work
- 55:18Trust the model
- 1:01:11Sponsor: NordLayer
- 1:03:02The enhance-prompt dance
- 1:07:36Developer identity crisis
- 1:14:06AI as tool: restraint and what not to build
- 1:19:56Reinventing primitives and zoomable maps
- 1:26:50Language choices and delivery
- 1:31:17Getting started with Intent and where to find Amelia
- 1:33:03Wrapping up
- 1:34:31Closing thoughts and stuff