
Beyond Heroku to Muse (Interview)
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This week we’re back for part 2 with Adam Wiggins — going beyond Heroku and the story of Muse (listen to part 1). After a six-year adrenaline high on Heroku, Adam needed time to recover and refill the creative well. So, he moved to Berlin, did some gig work with companies…dabbled in investing and advising. But he wasn’t satisfied. Adam likes to build things.
Ultimately, he was just waiting for the right time to reconnect with James Lindenbaum and Orion Henry — the same fellas he created Heroku with. Eventually they founded Ink & Switch, an independent research lab which led to innovations that made Muse possible. Muse is a tool for deep work and thinking on iPad and Mac. Today’s show is all about that journey and the details in-between.
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Show Notes:
- (Part 1) The Changelog #513: The story of Heroku with Adam Wiggins
- My journey into the Berlin startup scene
- Making computers better
- Museapp.com
- Ink & Switch
- Adam’s Heroku values.md
- Muse principles
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- 0:00This week on The Changelog
- 1:13Sponsor: Sentry
- 1:54Start the show!
- 3:04Where do we begin?
- 5:58Who's idea was Ink & Switch?
- 11:14Who's the "We" of Ink & Switch?
- 16:11There is no cloud
- 18:19From research to Muse
- 23:40Shipping Muse and the App Store
- 32:02Getting to deep thought is a struggle
- 34:26Sponsor: FireHydrant
- 35:44Why is this your focus?
- 38:37Is this your Sophmore album?
- 43:01What is success for Muse?
- 46:30Is Muse collaborative?
- 48:02Tools for thought
- 52:24The big ideas of Muse
- 1:02:51When tools get in your way
- 1:08:13The struggle of multi-platform
- 1:14:58The end game for Muse
- 1:18:33Do all roads lead to the Metaverse?
- 1:21:15Values & principles
- 1:25:36Sponsor: Retool
- 1:26:19The state of the business of Muse
- 1:29:44Muse might be perfect for Adam
- 1:32:43Are you writing any code?
- 1:36:13Adam's web stack
- 1:40:09Ride or die on Muse?
- 1:43:03Curiosity + uncharted territory
- 1:46:05Try Muse ~> museapp.com
- 1:47:55Closing out the show
- 1:48:54Outro