
ANTHOLOGY — The way of open source (Interview)
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This week we’re taking you to the hallway track of All Things Open 2023 in Raleigh, NC. Today’s episode features: Matthew Sanabria (former Engineer at HashiCorp working on Terraform Enterprise), Nithya Ruff (Chief Open Source Officer and Head of the Open Source Program Office at Amazon) & Jordan Harband (Open Source Maintainer-at-large with dependencies in most JavaScript apps out there.
There has been many changes this year in open source, and each of these perspectives lends insight into challenging and changing waters happening right now in open source.
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- Jordan Harband – Website, GitHub, X
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Show Notes:
- OpenTofu
- Dagger
- System Initiative
- Jordan Harband on GitHub Sponsors
- 📸 Jordan’s GitHub contributor city
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- 0:00This week on The Changelog
- 1:38Sponsor: Convex
- 4:53It's Matthew Sanabria
- 6:02Sounds like Tofu
- 6:28OpenTofu from the inside
- 8:29Is this a wise move?
- 9:23Communicating with the community
- 10:16One of the motivating factors for leaving
- 10:48Inside the Enterprise bubble
- 11:55Vibes on this change
- 12:42Backlash on Slack message on OpenTofu
- 14:58Excited about working at Cockroach Labs
- 15:48I'm mad about the lack of transparency
- 16:45Licensing Tool vs Services
- 18:18Playing with OpenTofu
- 19:36Dedicated resouces for Teraform vs OpenTofu?
- 21:19Logos vs dedicated support
- 22:37Will you be a contributor?
- 23:20Thoughts on Dagger and System Initiative
- 27:09Ops guy who likes TypeScript?
- 30:08That was fun
- 30:51Sponsor: .Tech Domains
- 35:07It's Nithya Ruff
- 37:19Leading the OSPO of OSPOs at Amazon
- 40:05Amazon and open source
- 42:28Enabling business units to adopt open source
- 44:35When was your OSPO started?
- 47:47What are your challenges?
- 50:16Working in open source for 20 years
- 52:13The initial pitch for an open source office
- 54:35Working with the OSPO to open source something
- 59:45Darlings of Amazon open source
- 1:00:49Sponsor: Statsig
- 1:04:13It's Jordan Harband
- 1:05:29When is Temporal coming?
- 1:09:37Is Moment.js obsolete?
- 1:10:54Are you making money?
- 1:13:03Most used vs most supported
- 1:14:02Filtering money to transitive dependencies
- 1:16:30Examining the uptick
- 1:18:18What happens if nothing changes?
- 1:20:23Will you quit? Will you break?
- 1:21:39Thanks.dev and Tidelift
- 1:24:16Have you considered Sponsorware?
- 1:29:13Income streams from open source
- 1:30:12Tidelift's model of supporting all dependencies
- 1:31:04It takes an outsized level of reach
- 1:31:50What would you change?
- 1:35:37Let's shill your links
- 1:36:21Outro and ++