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Agentic infra changes everything (Interview)
Oct 30, 2025 · 2 hr 3 min · 118.9 MB
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Adam Jacob joins us to discuss how agentic systems for building and managing infrastructure have fundamentally altered how he thinks about everything, including the last six years of his life. Along the way, he opines on the recent AWS outage, debates whether we’re in an AI-induced bubble, quells any concerns of AGI and a robot uprising, eats some humble pie, and more.
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- 0:00This week on The Changelog
- 1:13Sponsor: Namespace
- 2:55Start the show!
- 3:56The AWS outage
- 7:37The public's response
- 11:00The cloud exodus
- 15:32Taking control back
- 20:50Who will build it
- 26:33Maybe not a bubble
- 31:49Sponsor: Tiger Data
- 33:27Robot uprising concerns
- 35:37Back to the practical
- 39:27AGI locked in the basement
- 41:15Real-world value
- 42:59From the horse to the car
- 45:56Changing Adam's mind
- 49:40Humility required
- 52:29Infra people resist
- 56:19Practical AI slop
- 1:02:41Sponsor: Notion
- 1:04:29Babysitting or nah?
- 1:07:43Improving the loop
- 1:09:34A post-AI language
- 1:13:33Paying the piper
- 1:15:29The agent is the glue
- 1:18:52System Init's sauce
- 1:22:27What 'custom model' means
- 1:24:44Humans in the loop
- 1:28:05The MS-DOS era
- 1:31:54Positioning System Init
- 1:35:45The cloud OS?
- 1:39:40The on-prem situation
- 1:43:10Selling more than hiring
- 1:52:31The sales approach
- 1:55:24Every single deal
- 2:01:54Wrapping up
- 2:02:20Closing thoughts