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Adventures in babysitting coding agents (Friends)
Jun 6, 2025 · 1 hr 33 min · 135.5 MB
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The ever-provocative Steve Yegge joins us fresh off a vibe coding bender so productive, he wrote a book on the topic alongside award-winning author Gene Kim. Steve tells us why he believes the IDE is dead, why babysitting AI agents is more fun than coding, when vibe coding might take over the enterprise, how software devs should approach coding agents, and what it all means for society.
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- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
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- 0:00Let's talk!
- 0:38Sponsor: Retool
- 2:37Hot takes & Friends
- 9:36Babysitting AIs
- 16:27All coding will change
- 20:02Multi-agent is the key
- 24:26The dopamine hit
- 26:48The death of the junior eng?
- 30:13Sponsor: Heroku
- 33:16It's starting in enterprises
- 39:19The new gig economy
- 40:46A fitting analogy
- 43:37Afraid to go beyond
- 50:37Getting over the hump
- 54:06Worth waiting?
- 57:47Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco
- 58:51Getting tactical
- 1:02:01Talk to the plan
- 1:10:14Who wrote this?
- 1:15:31So expensive!
- 1:20:04Giving them tools
- 1:22:12Hitting the household
- 1:25:13Dumbness as a feature
- 1:25:50Memory matters
- 1:27:31Societal impact
- 1:29:33Being a kid today
- 1:30:29What's the point?
- 1:31:57Bye, friends
- 1:32:43Next week on the pod