Bukele, Bitcoin & Wall Street: The Fight for the Future of Civilization | Max Keiser & Stacy Herbert

Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert join THE Bitcoin Podcast for a fiery, wide-ranging conversation on Bitcoin’s Wall Street problem, El Salvador’s renaissance, and the culture Bitcoin lost.

We discuss how President Nayib Bukele transformed El Salvador from a country defined by violence and despair into a global symbol of security, optimism, and Bitcoin-powered possibility. Max and Stacy explain why they see El Salvador as the leading example of a new freedom model built around Bitcoin, AI, education, energy, and strong governance.

The conversation also dives deep into Bitcoin’s financialization: Strategy/MSTR, Wall Street, ETFs, treasury companies, self-custody, “number go up” thinking, and the danger of reducing Bitcoin to just another asset on a brokerage screen. Along the way, we explore memes, cypherpunk culture, circular economies, AI, sovereignty, civilization, and why Bitcoin must remain rooted in freedom—not fiat nihilism.

Plus: Bitcoin Historico, Coco Max, fake chocolate bars, and why it’s all Matt Odell’s fault.

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