Sleep Over with Carolyn and Laila

Dr. Carolyn Lovewell (formerly Carolyn Elliott)

What happens when two modern ladies wake up to their immortal Magickal nature? Well, Carolyn and Laila founded a world-famous initiation into the Western Esoteric Tradition called Sleep Over Mystery School.

On this here podcast they have a lot of fun talking amongst themselves and with other initiates and end up sharing ideas about Existential Kink, the Golden Dawn, star friends, Thelema, Aleister Crowley, Carl Jung, the 12 steps, time loops, and the art of being 1980s-style trad wives (the kind who are into diet Coke and having careers).

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20 episodes
Updated Oct 15, 2025

Episodes20

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Oct 15, 2025 · 56 min
Babalon & Making the Christian Unconscious, Conscious
Carolyn and Laila sit down to talk about what mad fever of individuation has them launching BABALON Ekklesia, an astral abbey and online mega-church dedicated to the Whore of Babylon, complete with Mass and Confession. Spoiler: it’s all about that Great Work, baby! Visit https://babalon.theimmortalcollege.com/ to sign up for BABALON Ekklesia today before registration closes on October 22nd, 2025 at midnight Eastern time.
Oct 2, 2025 · 52 min
The benefits of being in a magickal order
A bunch of Sleep Over Mystery School leaders and initiates reflect on the benefits of being a part of the freshest and sexiest branch of the Rosicrucian magickal order.
Oct 2, 2025 · 27 min
Alchemical Dissolution
What does the process of alchemical dissolution entail? How do we abet it? Various initiates weigh in with hard-won wisdom at the Sleep Over Mystery School reunion camp out.
Aug 4, 2025 · 33 min
The Witchcraft to Jesus Pipeline
Carolyn and Laila hang out at a public park and talk loudly about the Witchcraft to Jesus pipeline and how it connects to the Whore of Babylon- plus- the RIGHT way to read the Book of Revelation.
Jan 21, 2025 · 1 hr 13 min
Jesus in the New Aeon : how Answer to Job changes Christianity
Carolyn Lovewell sits down with Sleep Over Mystery School initiates Rye, Mackenzie, Laura, River, and Julia to talk about the mind-blowing way that Jung’s under-appreciated theological masterpiece, Answer to Job, changes the game of Christianity in a way that makes the God of the Old Testament finally make real sense in relation to sweet Jesus … and that opens up a portal of fresh revelation & healing.
Nov 18, 2024 · 50 min
How and why magick works
Carolyn and Laila sit in Laila’s living room with Laila’s sweet baby Christopher who coos a lot, to explain how the subtle rules the dense and makes magick possible.
Nov 8, 2024 · 44 min
Why you need to do magick now more than ever
Carolyn and Laila talk about common inner conflicts people often have about doing magick and why it’s so important to overcome these. Also you can sign up for Will to Magick, our life-changing live seminar on healing your hesitations around magick at this link : https://carolynelliott.samcart.com/products/will-to-magick?ck_subscriber_id=166582177&utm_source=convertkit&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the%20hilarious%20truth%20about%20your%20magickal%20%27failures%27%20-%2015578289&sh_kit=ab590213fd4b69f7547afb16f5dc8b29d429f8920b6767f0a027ffe622828cdd
Oct 4, 2024 · 55 min
Self-realization and the Ma’at current with Mackenzie Victory-Oatman
Carolyn sits down at the Jamboree with Mackenzie Victory-Oatman, a SOMS initiate, to a riveting talk about Crowley, Jung, Nema, and what it means to realize the Self and forgiveness of the horrors of the world via the 93 current, including the incoming current of Ma’at.
Sep 26, 2024 · 56 min
An Initiate’s Journey
Carolyn sits down at the Mahasiddha Jamboree, a Sleep Over Mystery School reunion in West Virginia… … to talk with Rita, an initiate and a psychologist. Carolyn and Rita discuss Rita’s journey of initiation, and Eastern vs Western spiritual practices in relation to modern secular psychology.
Aug 30, 2024 · 54 min
Initiation, Babalon, the Cry of the 12th Aethyr with Julia Dunne
Carolyn sits down at her kitchen table with the wonderful Julia Dunne to talk about Julia’s experience of initiation in Sleep Over Mystery School. The conversation winds to Babalon as Compassion and Understanding and Carolyn ends up reading the Cry of the 12th Aethyr by Aleister Crowley. Neil chimes in. At one point Carolyn’s 5 year old daughter Lulu blows her purple whistle and it is loud and annoying AF and not edited out because we are very lazy - you have been warned . 😂
Aug 6, 2024 · 56 min
Sex, Existential Kink & Awakening to the Beloved with Anca Gray
Carolyn sits down for an inspiring conversation with artist Anca Gray, an initiate of Sleep Over Mystery School. They talk about Anca’s journey from evangelical Christianity to Existential Kink, the magick of sex and coming into relationship with the Holy Guardian Angel, aka the Beloved. Search “anca gray” on Instagram and follow her to keep up with her beautiful adventures and offers of incredible magick retreat weekends and bespoke magickal hyper sigils.
Aug 1, 2024 · 27 min
Magick Letters and the Hyperbody - part 3
Part three of three. On a lazy weekend morning in the spring of 2024, Carolyn quizzes her husband, the deep magickian David Lovewell, about what letters like the Germanic runes and the Hebrew letters have to do with magick, the Great Work, and the realization of our connection to our higher dimensional Self (the Hyperbody). Part two.
Aug 1, 2024 · 25 min
Magick Letters and the Hyperbody - part 2
Part two of three. On a lazy weekend morning in the spring of 2024, Carolyn quizzes her husband, the deep magickian David Lovewell, about what letters like the Germanic runes and the Hebrew letters have to do with magick, the Great Work, and the realization of our connection to our higher dimensional Self (the Hyperbody).
Aug 1, 2024 · 27 min
Magick Letters and the Hyperbody - part 1
On a lazy weekend morning in the spring of 2024, Carolyn quizzes her husband, the deep magickian David Lovewell, about what letters like the Germanic runes and the Hebrew letters have to do with magick, the Great Work, and the realization of our connection to our higher dimensional Self (the Hyperbody). Part one.
Jul 31, 2024 · 49 min
The 12 Steps & Advaita
While their kids party in the backyard pool, Laila and Carolyn talk about honesty as the primary virtue and how they understand the 12 Steps via an Advaita perspective on total powerlessness ala Wayne Liquorman’s awesome book, the Way of Powerlessness. Features amazing loud singing from Carolyn’s daughter Lulu and thoughts from Laila’s husband Rory at the end.
Jul 2, 2024 · 51 min
Dreamwork - Objectifying the Dream, Following the Dream Ego
Carolyn helps her friend Neil interpret his dream “the Cosmic Hospital.” You can come hear Carolyn teach more about dreamwork and shadow integration at Ayesha Ophelia’s Dream Lodge event in August - find more info on that event on Ayesha’s instagram. To go deeper into magick, visit theimmortalcollege.com, join our email list and sign up for our offerings.
Jun 27, 2024 · 45 min
3 Blocks to Communication and How to Solve Them with Dr. Robert Dee McDonald
The first ever episode of the Sleep Over podcast that's also on video! - Carolyn talks with her brilliant mentor, Dr. Robert Dee McDonald, about 3 Common Blocks to communication that wreck havoc in relationships of all kinds, and what can be done to solve them with assertion, empathy, and forgiveness. Dr. Robert shares his wisdom and expertise, and he also shares details about the upcoming Ultimate Communication Skills Workshop in Los, Angeles California, July 12 -14th 2024. To learn more about the Ultimate Communication Skills Workshop and sign up, listeners can email Dr. Robert: robert@teloscenter.com. Here's info from Dr. Robert's flyer for the UCS workshop: ~ Assertion, Empathy & Forgiveness ~ For individuals, couples, coaches, and businesses. Speak Up & Assert Yourself: Be Strong. If you say “Yes” to everything asked of you, if you cannot say “No,” then all your “Yeses” are meaningless, and you are a doormat. Listen with Empathy: Belong. On the other hand, if you say “No” to everything asked of you, if you cannot say “Yes,” then all your “Nos” are powerless, and you are unpleasable. Accept & Forgive: Be Kind. And if you cannot “Let Go,” if you hold on to hurt and anger, you will be unable to heal our wounded heart, and you are unhappy. Self-Confidence: Be New. In a safe context, explore and acquire the Ultimate Communication Skills: How to be open, be closed, forgive & remember, and finally forgive &π forget. “Dr. Robert Dee McDonald is the greatest coach in the world. He resolves people’s long-standing issues in minutes. He is the most stunningly effective coach I’ve ever encountered. Carolyn Lovewell." author of Existential Kink "Dr. Robert Dee McDonald is the best therapist in the world today." You Will Learn Healthy Communication to: • Stand up for yourself • Listen Deeply • Forgive the Unforgivable • Unwind a Painful Memory • Determine Who Owns the Problem • Find Hidden Gifts in Difficult Relationships • Celebrate Self-Love with Real Communication When: July 12, 13 &14, 2024. Fri, Sat & Sun: 9:30am to 6pm Where: Hilton Garden Inn, 2100 E. Mariposa, El Segundo, CA 90245 Early Bird: $2,995 if fully paid by June 1; $3,995 thereafter. CAROLYN LOVEWELL: $2,495 each, if you register now & pay in full Register: Email Robert@TelosCenter.com. This course is a prerequisite for Certification as a Destination Coach. Fees are non-refundable. Written and presented by Dr. Robert Dee McDonald and Dr. Luzette McDonald Author, internationally acclaimed Trainer, founder of The Destination Method and co-founder of The Telos Healing Center, Dr. Robert wrote Tools of The Spirit, a Transpersonal Coaching text, and the best-selling NLP book of all time, The New Technology of Achievement. He has created and taught seminars for over 35 years and has successfully worked with thousands of individuals and couples in 19 countries throughout the world. Dr. Luzette, co-founder of The Telos Healing Center, is an ordained minister and Destination Method Trainer who creates and presents seminars for women in the USA & Europe. All their work is based on the principle that behind every behavior, thought, feeling, fantasy, attitude, and experience are universally acceptable positive purposes seeking self- expression. Carolyn will be at the workshop, and listeners who mention to Dr. Robert that they learned about the Ultimate Communication Skills workshop from Carolyn will receive a $1000 discount on the cost of the event. Listeners can also visit Dr. Robert's website to learn more about his work: https://www.teloscenter.com/
Jun 24, 2024 · 59 min
New Aeon Awakening via Existential Kink with Mackenzie Victory-Oatman
Carolyn sits down on her back patio with Mackenzie Victory-Oatman, a SOMS initiate, PENETRATE graduate, and genius certified Existential Kink coach. Mackenzie shares about her spiritual awakening and what she’s gained in New Aeon consciousness via her journey with Mystery and Existential Kink.
Jun 24, 2024 · 59 min
What the Deep State, Whitney Webb, and Magick Have in Common
Also on the drive down to the 3rd immersion of SOMS 2024, Neil, the set guy for SOMS, and Carolyn nerd out about the rabbit hole of Whitney Webb’s reporting about the deep state in One Nation Under Blackmail and the foreboding rumors that Neil hear from a friend of his in the intelligence community about a possible 30 day disruption of services in November surrounding the U.S.A. election. … and how it all relates to magick & the Great Work!
Jun 10, 2024 · 59 min
Neil’s Twin Flame Relationship Advice
Carolyn and Neil, the set guy for Sleep Over Mystery School, talk about modern relationships - including the folly of Twin Flames - on their U-Haul ride down to the 3rd immersion.