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Shocked · Oct 27, 2025 · 40 min

Moneyball for the Environment

For years, the EPA tried to inspect as many polluters as possible—but with limited staff, only a small fraction of sites could be checked each year. This episode looks at how a new, AI-driven approach is helping regulators target the worst offenders, and the data shows it actually works. What happens when environmental enforcement goes evidence-based? Read the op-ed that started it all: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/08/opinion/sunday/see-red-flags-hear-red-flags.html More on the project: https://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/projects/epa-inspection-targeting More from Michael Greenstone: https://climate.uchicago.edu/people/michael-greenstone/ Shocked is part of the University of Chicago Podcast Network and produced by Magnificent Noise for the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth, which combines a 360-degree approach to education with frontier research having an impact in front-line communities globally. The Institute’s efforts are driven by the need to balance climate risks with societal growth. To follow or support their work, see our show notes or visit climate.uchicago.edu Amy Harder is the host, along with co-host, Michael Greenstone, a professor at the University of Chicago and director of the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth. Our executive producers are Eric Nuzum, Michael Greenstone, and Sam Ori. Our production staff includes Christine Driscoll, Amy Pedulla, Sophie Bridges, Jamie York, and Samantha Henig. Our sound designer is Kristen Mueller. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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For years, the EPA tried to inspect as many polluters as possible—but with limited staff, only a small fraction of sites could be checked each year. This episode looks at how a new, AI-driven approach is helping regulators target the worst offenders, and the data shows it actually works. What happens when environmental enforcement goes evidence-based?

Read the op-ed that started it all: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/08/opinion/sunday/see-red-flags-hear-red-flags.html

More on the project: https://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/projects/epa-inspection-targeting

More from Michael Greenstone: https://climate.uchicago.edu/people/michael-greenstone/

Shocked is part of the University of Chicago Podcast Network and produced by Magnificent Noise for the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth, which combines a 360-degree approach to education with frontier research having an impact in front-line communities globally. The Institute’s efforts are driven by the need to balance climate risks with societal growth. To follow or support their work, see our show notes or visit climate.uchicago.edu

Amy Harder is the host, along with co-host, Michael Greenstone, a professor at the University of Chicago and director of the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth. Our executive producers are Eric Nuzum, Michael Greenstone, and Sam Ori. Our production staff includes Christine Driscoll, Amy Pedulla, Sophie Bridges, Jamie York, and Samantha Henig. Our sound designer is Kristen Mueller. 


Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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