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Running long - A trail and ultra running talk

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Vert is the home for every trail & ultra runner. On this podcast we host conversations with key members of our Trail & Ultra running community from all over the world. From professional world class athletes to our Vert.run members and community. Narrating captivating stories and learning from and about this amazing sport.

  • 20 episodes
  • Updated April 2

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  • April 2 · 51 min

    185. Abby Hall | From Training to Reality: What Trail Running Actually Feels Like

    Francesco and Abby Hall are both injured days after Black Canyon 100k. One DNF, one top-five finish, two hard falls. A real conversation about processing setbacks, racing at the front of a historic women’s field, and what actually drives a big performance. Abby breaks down how her race unfolded, from a controlled start hitting goal splits, to the fall that cost her minutes mid-race, to a split-for-split battle with Molly Seidel all the way to the finish. The margins were that tight. And what that says about where the women’s field is right now is worth paying attention to. There’s also a bigger thread running through this episode: what does it mean to perform at the front of a sport that’s getting faster and deeper every year? Francesco and Abby talk about the weight of expectations that came with Abby’s Western States win last year, and why a race like this one felt like a release as much as a result. They dig into the idea of specificity, why fitness alone doesn’t explain a 25-minute improvement over the same course, and why the real gains often come down to execution rather than the lab numbers. And there’s a mentality piece worth highlighting: Abby’s been drawing inspiration from how gravel cyclists talk about their races, winning, losing, making mistakes, and moving on without letting any single result define them. It’s a harder mindset to hold when you’re only racing four or five times a year, but she’s trying to bring that lightness into how she processes all of this. Raw, honest, and worth an hour of your time. Train with a plan built around you. Start your 7-day free trial of VertPro and get 30% off your first month with code RUNNINGLONG30 Download the app: iOS Android Follow @vert.run on instagram More at Vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | X | Strava | Website

  • February 12 · 59 min

    184. Francesco Puppi, Moisés Jiménez & Max Keith | Francesco Puppi Black Canyon Preview

    Days before lining up at Black Canyon 100K, Francesco Puppi sits down with Moisés Jiménez and Max Keith for a deep dive into training philosophy, double-threshold blocks, and what he learned from living and training alongside Jim Walmsley in Arizona. This conversation centers on performance — not hype. Francesco breaks down what he saw firsthand inside Jim’s preparation: Norwegian-style double threshold days, lactate testing between reps, treadmill precision at 7,000 feet, and the detailed charts mapping grade-adjusted pace to real-world effort. They unpack how controlled treadmill sessions can sharpen fitness — and where that approach may fall short when it comes to downhill durability and technical trail adaptation. They explore: What double-threshold training actually looks like (5x6min uphill + 10x3min controlled efforts) Why Jim measures lactate mid-workout — and what he’s looking for How to build aerobic power without going “all out” The pros and limitations of treadmill-based performance blocks Translating controlled lab-style fitness into chaotic desert terrain Francesco also shares how his own training differs — why he prioritizes eccentric load, downhill strength, and trail specificity — and how he’s integrating lessons from Arizona without abandoning his system. The conversation shifts into race execution: sodium strategies, heat adaptation ahead of Western States, passive vs. active heat training, and the discomfort of Black Canyon’s rolling, relentless terrain. They discuss how early-season American racing forces athletes to sharpen fitness in January and February — and whether that’s sustainable long term. If you’re interested in the how behind elite performance — the data, the structure, the experimentation, and the honest doubts — this episode delivers a rare look inside high-level ultra preparation. What you’ll learn The structure of Jim Walmsley’s double-threshold block How lactate testing shapes workout intensity Why treadmill precision can accelerate aerobic gains The missing pieces when training indoors for trail ultras Heat and sodium strategies for Western States-style racing How to evolve your system without overhauling it 🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 🏃‍♂️ Want to train smarter, not harder? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 📲 Follow @vert.run Download the app and start your personalized training at Vert.run Francesco’s links:Instagram | X | Strava | Website

  • Dec 9, 2025 · 57 min

    183. Max Keith | Pacers, Crews, World Champs & the Future of Trail Running: The 2025 Recap

    Diving into the state of trail running in 2025, Francesco Puppi and Max Keith sit down for a wide-ranging, honest, and deeply insightful conversation about where the sport is headed — and what it feels like to live through this moment of rapid transformation. From debates around pacers and fair competition, to the explosion of content, technology, and brand involvement in trail running, they reflect on the challenges, the opportunities, and the responsibility that comes with a sport growing faster than ever. They also open up about the athletes who inspired them this year — from world-class performances at UTMB and Worlds, to breakthrough storytellers on YouTube and Substack — and unpack what makes certain moments and people truly stand out. Francesco shares how his own training has evolved after Worlds, how he’s approaching winter with a fresh VO₂max block, and why Western States 2026 is quietly becoming his north star. Max, meanwhile, talks about crewing, pacing, fairness, and how the culture of the sport shapes the choices we make on race day. If you love trail running — not just the racing, but the community, the culture, and the conversations that shape it — this episode will feel like sitting around a table with two friends who live and breathe this world. What you’ll learn • Why the debate around pacers is more complex than it seems • How money, livestreaming, and brand involvement are reshaping the sport • The performances that defined 2024–2025 (and why they mattered) • Why content — from YouTube to Substack — is pushing trail running forward • Francesco’s return to structured training and his path toward Western States • The trends that will shape the next decade of trail running 🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 🏃‍♂️ Want to train smarter, not harder? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 📲 Follow @vert.runDownload the app and start your personalized training at Vert.run Francesco’s links:Instagram | X | Strava | Website

  • Nov 18, 2025 · 52 min

    182. Dylan Walker | Into the Mountains, Beyond the Limits: A Runner’s Awakening

    Dylan Walker joins host Francesco Puppi for an honest and inspiring conversation about what it really takes to transform your life through running — from starting at 240 lbs with no plan or fitness, to completing ultras, crossing the Alps in the Transalpine Run, and preparing for his first 100-mile race. They dive into the realities behind long-term progress: coping with pain when it shows up in every race, training for mountain events while living at sea level, and why community and support matter more than split times. Dylan also reflects on the deeper lessons the sport has taught him — discipline, resilience, patience, and the courage to sign up for challenges that feel far beyond your comfort zone. If you’ve ever doubted whether you can take on a big goal, start from zero, or rebuild yourself through running, this conversation will stay with you for a long time. What you’ll learn • The mindset that helps runners manage pain in long races • Why the trail community creates such powerful connections • How to train for elevation without mountains • What it feels like to complete the Transalpine Run • Why anyone — with time and structure — can aim for big challenges • Dylan’s next goal: a 100-mile race crossing an entire continent 🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 🏃‍♂️ Want to train smarter, not harder? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 📲 Follow @vert.run Download the app and start your plan at vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | X | Strava | Website

  • Nov 4, 2025 · 1 hr 3 min

    181. Mario Fraioli | Go One Less: The Mindset That Actually Makes You Better

    Mario Fraioli joins host Francesco Puppi for an honest and thought-provoking conversation about the modern state of running — from content overload and algorithm fatigue, to what it really means to “go one more.” They dive deep into the balance between performance and storytelling, the illusion of social media success, and why learning to go one less might be the most underrated skill in both training and life. Mario also shares lessons from over 20 years in the sport — as an athlete, coach, and writer — reflecting on how running culture has evolved, what’s changed for the better, and what still needs work. If you’ve ever felt the pressure to do more, post more, or prove more, this conversation will remind you what truly matters. What you’ll learn • Why “Go One Less” might be the key to long-term progress • How social media reshaped what it means to be an athlete • Why performance still matters more than followers • How to manage input, focus, and balance in an always-on world • The lessons 20+ years in running can teach about longevity and mindset 🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 🏃‍♂️ Want to train smarter, not harder? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 📲 Follow @vert.run Download the app and start your plan at vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | X | Strava | Website

  • Oct 28, 2025 · 57 min

    180. Max Keith & Moises Jimenez | Run Less, Live More: Finding Balance as an Athlete

    Vert.run co-founders Moi Jiménez and Max Keith join host Francesco Puppi for a deep conversation on the evolving trail running scene in Latin America, the return of The North Face Endurance Challenge Chile, and the cultural roots that make South American trail running so unique. They dive into the growing presence of Latin American athletes on the world stage, the challenges of distance, visibility, and sponsorship, and what it takes to build a truly global and inclusive sport. Later, the trio breaks down the latest evolution inside the Vert.run app — the new Athlete Timeline and VIBE Score — exploring how balancing life stress, recovery, and training load can help athletes train smarter, not harder. If you’ve ever wondered how to align your life and your training, or how the future of trail running is being shaped across continents — this one’s for you. What you’ll learn Why the Latin American trail scene is booming How geography, access, and opportunity shape athletes The comeback of The North Face Endurance Challenge Chile What the new Vert.run “Athlete Timeline” and “VIBE Score” mean for your training Why doing less can sometimes make you a stronger runner Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Want to try VertPro? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. Follow @vert.runDownload the app and sign up at vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | Twitter | Strava | Website

  • Oct 21, 2025 · 1 hr 6 min

    179. Toni McCann | Beyond the Podium: finding meaning in the process

    South African trail running star Toni McCann joins host Francesco Puppi for an honest and vulnerable conversation about rediscovering her love for the sport, handling pressure after success, and what happens when winning doesn’t feel like winning. After dropping out of The Otter Trail with an ankle injury, Toni shares how that DNF unexpectedly reminded her why she runs—the community, the connection, and the simple joy of being on the trails. She opens up about post-race emptiness after her CCC victory, the guilt of burnout, and the lessons that came from slowing down. They also dive deep into the state of trail running today—from growing media attention and sponsor pressure, to how the sport can evolve while keeping its authenticity and grassroots spirit alive. If you’ve ever felt lost after a big race or questioned your “why” as an athlete—this one’s for you.What you’ll learn What it’s like to find peace in a DNF The hidden emotional cost of success and burnout How Toni reframed pressure and expectations The balance between brand obligations and personal fulfillment Where the future of trail running is heading Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Want to try VertPro? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. Follow @vert.run Download the app and sign up at vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | Twitter | Strava | Website

  • Oct 10, 2025 · 1 hr

    178. Francesco Puppi & Max Keith | CCC to Worlds: The Art of Recovery

    Vert.run co-founder and coach Max Keith joins host Francesco Puppi for a wide-ranging conversation about the end of a long racing season—what recovery really means, how to avoid burnout, and why finishing strong sometimes means doing less. Fresh off his CCC win and top-10 finish at the World Championships, Francesco shares what it felt like to go from 49th to 9th after cramping from the first downhill, how he managed the CCC–Worlds double just one month apart, and what it taught him about patience, motivation, and balance. They also discuss how the sport is evolving—from the growing competitiveness of Worlds and the rise of athlete-led storytelling, to the importance of community and content that shows the real side of trail running. If you’ve ever wondered how the world’s best athletes recover, reflect, and reset after a big season—this one’s for you. What you’ll learn The reality of managing a full ultra season from February to October Lessons from the CCC–Worlds double: recovery, resilience, and mindset How to build sustainability into your training and racing Why “rest” is an active part of performance The growing future of storytelling and authenticity in trail running Francesco's CCC video. Want to try VertPro? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. Follow @vert.run Download the app and sign up at vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | Twitter | Strava | Website

  • Sep 22, 2025 · 1 hr 2 min

    177. Eva-Maria Sperger on the Mental Side of Trail Racing

    Psychologist and elite trail runner Eva-Maria Sperger joins host Francesco Puppi for a candid conversation about the mental side of performance—self-compassion, motivation, and racing with vulnerability—just ahead of the World Championships in Canfranc-Pirineos. Eva explains why naming emotions builds real toughness, how to balance “listen to your feelings” with “do the opposite,” and a simple model to unlock motivation: autonomy, confidence, and belonging. They also unpack the difference between working with a sport psychologist vs. a mental coach, why athletes over-do volume to calm anxiety, and how to make better decisions when pain or fear show up. If you’ve ever wondered “Do I even belong here?” this one will feel like a deep breath and a plan. What you’ll learn How self-compassion becomes a performance skill (not fluff) A practical way to handle negative thoughts without obeying them Autonomy–confidence–belonging: a simple framework to rekindle motivation When to choose a sport psychologist vs. a mental coach (and why) Process > outcome: redefining “success” before your next start line ----------- Want to try VertPro? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 👉 Follow @vert.run 👉 Download the app and sign up at vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | Twitter | Strava | Website

  • Sep 9, 2025 · 1 hr 18 min

    176. CCC Win Breakdown: Strategy, Fueling & The New Smartest Coach for Trail Runner

    We sit down with Francesco for a clear CCC recap: pacing the early climbs without forcing, the move after Champex-Lac, fast aid-station execution, and his fueling plan (~90–100 g carbs/h with a structured caffeine strategy). Then we look ahead to the World Championships and whether to accept a tempting Western States Golden Ticket. We also share what’s shipping inside the app: the new Coach Vert.run built from half a million real coach–athlete interactions. UTCT Giveaway Did you hear we’re doing a giveaway to race UTCT? We’re sending one runner to Ultra-Trail Cape Town. Choose your distance—we’ll cover race entry, flights, and a 3-night stay. To enter, start any Vert.run subscription. Full details here. Free trials don’t count toward eligibility. Winner announced at the end of September. Want to try VertPro? Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 👉 Follow @vert.run 👉 Download the app and sign up at vert.run Francesco’s links: Instagram | Twitter | Strava | Website

  • Aug 26, 2025 · 1 hr 1 min

    175. Francesco Puppi & Max Keith | Road to UTMB: Inside the World of Trail Running

    Francesco catches up with Max to debrief a packed couple of weeks: the HOKA training camp, a fast-and-furious Sierre-Zinal, and the final touches before Francesco’s CCC debut at UTMB. We get into all the nuances. We cover: Key takeaways from camp: how fun it is to meet teammates, train together, and connect with folks across the brand—plus a great chance to test products for the future. Sierre-Zinal recap: why this race is so special and insanely competitive every single year—plus crazy performances like Katie Schide’s in this year’s edition. Francesco even hints at a break after running it 9 times… but you know he’ll be back. All things CCC: the last big sessions and how training has evolved, knowing this will be Francesco’s longest race (in time) to date. Lastly, some mixed thoughts on aid stations, crewing, and just how wild UTMB week is nowadays. If you’re racing CCC/UTMB (or just love geeking out on mountain prep), this one’s for you. Did you hear we’re doing a giveaway to race UTCT? That’s right—we’re sending one listener to Ultra-Trail Cape Town (UTCT)! Pick your distance—we’ll cover race entry, flights, and a 3-night stay. To enter, start any Vert.run subscription. You can find all the details here. Free trials don’t count toward eligibility; winner announced at the end of September. Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 👉 Follow ⁠@vert.run⁠ 👉 Download the app and sign up at ⁠vert.run Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • Aug 1, 2025 · 1 hr 3 min

    174. Rosemary Mitchell | A Story of Pain, Tradition, and Community in South Africa’s Most Iconic Ultramarathon

    Rosemary Mitchell is a 62-year-old ultrarunner whose story with the Comrades Marathon is as powerful as the race itself. In this episode, I had the honor of sitting down with Rosemary for a heartfelt and inspiring conversation about endurance, tradition, and what it truly means to run with purpose. We explored her personal journey—how challenges and setbacks shaped her path—and what it took to conquer the emotional and physical demands of Comrades. Rosemary opened up about the meaning behind the Green Number, the incredible community that surrounds this race, and how running continues to transform her life at every age. We also talked about the legacy of Comrades in South Africa, the camaraderie of ultra running, and how age can become a source of strength, not limitation. Her wisdom is a reminder that running is as much about heart as it is about speed. 🎧 If you’ve ever dreamed of running Comrades—or just want to feel reconnected to why we run—this episode is for you. Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 👉 Follow ⁠@vert.run⁠ 👉 Download the app and sign up at ⁠vert.run Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • Jul 18, 2025 · 51 min

    173. Max Keith | Beyond the Finish Line: Racing, Resilience, and the Evolving Spirit of Trail Running

    Max Keith is a trail runner, coach, and cofounder of Vert.run—and someone who’s been shaping the sport from both the frontlines and behind the scenes. In this episode, I had the chance to sit down with Max for a deep and honest conversation about racing, coaching, and the evolution of trail running today. We reflected on the emotional highs and lows of recent races, the path of athletes like Abby Hall, and the internal pressure that comes with performance. Max opened up about what competition really means, the importance of finding joy in racing, and how both winning and losing can shape an athlete. We also touched on the technical challenges of the trail, how athletes adapt to different terrain, and why patience is the most underrated trait in training. Plus—some thoughts on the Tour de France and what it can teach us about endurance sports. 🎧 If you care about the future of trail running, this is a conversation worth listening to. Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training. 👉 Follow @vert.run 👉 Download the app and sign up at vert.run Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • Jul 3, 2025 · 1 hr 5 min

    172. Ken Seals | Content, Community & Change: Navigating Trail Running Media with The Ultra Minute

    Ken Seals is a trail runner, storyteller, and the creator of The Ultra Minute, a newsletter and media platform that covers the evolving world of trail and ultra running. I was a guest on Ken’s platform to dive deep into the state of running media today—and we had such a rich conversation that it felt like a necessary one to share. We talked about how Ken found his way into the sport, what it’s like to juggle family life and content creation, and the unique challenges of building independent media in such a tight-knit and passionate community. We also explored how trail running storytelling is changing, the move toward creator-led platforms, and what it means to preserve authenticity in a media landscape that’s constantly shifting. Discount code: 30% off your first month of training with Vert.run with RUNNINGLONG30. PLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF YOU ENJOYED IT! Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG Download our app and sign up to our training plans on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Francesco’s links: Instagram | Twitter | Strava | Website

  • Jun 17, 2025 · 1 hr 14 min

    171. Katie Asmuth | Identity, Resilience & Racing: A Journey Through Western States and Beyond

    In this episode, Katie Asmuth—elite ultrarunner and Western States finisher—joins Francesco to reflect on the emotional highs and lows of racing, recovery, and personal growth in the sport of trail running. They explore Katie’s connection to Western States, the identity challenges athletes face, and how she balances motherhood with high-level training. Katie shares lessons on resilience through injury, the joy of returning to the process, and the importance of community, age, and experience in long-distance running. This conversation is honest, powerful, and full of insight for any runner navigating life, goals, and identity on the trails. Want to train smarter and stronger? : Try Vert Pro for just $9.90/month Download the Vert app on iOS or Android Use the code RUNNINGLONG30 to get 30% off your first month of training with Vert.run. PLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF YOU ENJOYED IT! Follow @vert.run on IG Download the app and explore plans at vert.run Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • Jun 4, 2025 · 53 min

    170. Kameron Harder | Strength Training for Runners: Principles, Performance & Integration

    In this episode, Kameron Harder—physical therapist and strength training expert—joins Francesco to dive into the world of strength training for runners. They explore why strength training is essential for trail and road runners, how to structure it efficiently, and common mistakes to avoid. Kameron also shares insights from his work in remote physical therapy, plus tips on durability, injury prevention, and building power without sacrificing your running performance. This conversation is packed with practical takeaways and coaching wisdom for runners of all levels. Want to train smarter and stronger? 🔥 Try Vert Pro for just $9.90/month 📲 Download the Vert app on iOS or Android Use the code RUNNINGLONG30 to get 30% off your first month of training with Vert.run. PLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF YOU ENJOYED IT! Follow @vert.run on IG Download the app and explore plans at vert.run Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • May 14, 2025 · 58 min

    169. Max & Moi | Vert.run Co-founders in the future of trail running coaching, AI coaching and the release of Vert Pro

    🎙️ In this episode, Max & Moi sit down with Francesco to dive into the state of running and trail running coaching apps—and introduce Vert Pro, the first fully automated coach built specifically for trail runners of all levels. They break down how Vert Pro works, why it’s shaking up the coaching game, and how Vert.run is leading the way in innovation without sacrificing personalization or quality. 🔥 Try Vert Pro for just $9.90/month 📲 Download the Vert app on iOS or Android For those of you who want to give training with Vert.run a try, you can take 30% off your first month of training with the code RUNNINGLONG30. PLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF YOU ENJOYED IT! _______________________ Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG Download our app and sign up to our training plans on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • Apr 24, 2025 · 1 hr 7 min

    168. Rod Farvard | Every dog has its day. Reflections, hopes and expectations ahead of the 2025 Canyons 100k

    I had the pleasure and privilege to share three weeks of altitude training in Mammoth Lakes with Rod, seeing his hard work, commitment and self believe, learning a lot from him. It’s been roughly a year since Rod Farvard's name really came into the spotlight. Rod definitely had a breakthrough season in 2024, with the win at Canyons and the second place at Western States coming in quick succession. As we both get ready to toe the line at the Canyons 100k this weekend, I hope you all enjoy this conversation! Guest: Rod Farvard For those of you who want to give training with Vert.run a try, you can take 30% off your first month of training with the code RUNNINGLONG30. PLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF YOU ENJOYED IT! _______________________ Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG Download our app and sign up to our training plans on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • Apr 9, 2025 · 1 hr 2 min

    167. The Biggest Races to Watch in 2025: What’s Coming in Trail Running

    What’s Coming in Trail Running in 2025? Clearly, 2025 is shaping up to be an exciting year for trail running. In this episode we examine the key races and their storylines, athletes to watch, new trends and predictions, strategies and advancements in performance. Guest: Max Keith For those of you who want to give training with Vert.run a try, you can take 30% off your first month of training with the code RUNNINGLONG30. PLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF YOU ENJOYED IT! _______________________ Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG Download our app and sign up to our training plans on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  • Mar 26, 2025 · 1 hr 16 min

    166. Florian Reiter | Running is for everyone. Reasons why we run, vulnerability and comparison, growth and success

    Florian Reiter is a runner, coach, podcaster and physiotherapist from Austria. I was a guest in Florian’s podcast Running Free and it was a great chance to touch on many relevant topics related to running, so we thought it would be fun to do a follow-up episode, and here we are. We talked about the reasons why we run, how these reasons change over time, obsession and balance, vulnerability and comparison, and how there’s a place for everyone in the sport of running. Discount code: 30% off your first month of training with Vert.run with RUNNINGLONG30. PLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF YOU ENJOYED IT! _______________________ Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG Download our app and sign up to our training plans on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vert.run⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Francesco's links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠