On with Kara Swisher

Ben Wikler Has a Plan to Save Democracy

July 23 · 53 min
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Ben Wikler, political organizer and former chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, joins Kara to discuss his new book, This Is the Plan: How to End America’s Meltdown and Save Democracy.”


Drawing on the grassroots strategies that helped Democrats restore a competitive democracy  in Wisconsin, he lays out a national plan to defeat Trumpism and halt America’s slide toward authoritarianism. That starts, he argues, with building a year-round organizing operation capable of competing in races at every level of government.


They also discuss the Democratic Party’s internal divisions, the future of the filibuster and structural reforms including a national popular vote, a national ban on partisan gerrymandering and Supreme Court term limits. Plus: how election officials should prepare for President Trump’s attempts to interfere with the midterms.


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