Hopelessness Is a Resource for the Tyrannical: Katie Couric with David Frum

Oct 2, 2025 · 57 min · Season 12 · Episode 2 · 55.5 MB

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Katie sits down with David Frum, Atlantic writer and host of an eponymous podcast, to take stock of a dizzying news cycle: a government shutdown framed around false claims about healthcare for immigrants, a surreal Quantico meeting where military leaders were treated as political props, and Donald Trump's vow to punish his opponents through prosecutions. Frum explains how the U.S. budgeting system turned into a "failure machine,” what's happening to Supreme Court neutrality, and what it means when Trump spreads vulgar AI videos of his opponents. Frum's bottom line? This might be a fire hose of news, but it's our duty as citizens to keep up, not tune out.

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