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MTS · August 30 · 26 min

Model Labs Won't Kill App Startups | Herbie Bradley

Herbie Bradley joins MTS to discuss agent swarm taxonomies, the dynamics of application-layer AI startups, and the long-term potential of von Neumann probes. He outlines how explicit continual learning affects enterprise market power and explains why specialized AI applications continue to thrive alongside major foundation model labs. He also shares his perspectives on robotics timelines, nanoscale self-replication, and existential risk. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love. -- https://x.com/herbiebradley -- MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens. Follow MTS: X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠ YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠ Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠ Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠ Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠ Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠ -- Brought to you by: Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/ ElevenLabs - AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠ Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠ Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com to learn more Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com -- Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:01:21) Coasean Economics of Agent Swarms (00:04:17) Automating Workers Versus Automating Firms (00:08:03) Why Model Labs Haven't Killed Application Startups (00:12:00) Predicting Timelines for Self-Replicating Space Probes (00:15:21) Managing Existential Risk and Nanobot Swarms (00:20:07) Agent Swarm Taxonomy and Singletons -- Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.

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Herbie Bradley joins MTS to discuss agent swarm taxonomies, the dynamics of application-layer AI startups, and the long-term potential of von Neumann probes. He outlines how explicit continual learning affects enterprise market power and explains why specialized AI applications continue to thrive alongside major foundation model labs. He also shares his perspectives on robotics timelines, nanoscale self-replication, and existential risk. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.

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https://x.com/herbiebradley

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MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.


Follow MTS: 

X |https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠

YouTube |https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠

Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠ 

Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠ 

Substack |https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠

Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors@mts.now⁠⁠

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Brought to you by:

Lovable - Turn ideas into software people love with Lovable. Start today at https://lovable.dev/

ElevenLabs -  AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. https://elevenlabs.io/mts

Arena - Measuring AI performance in the real world. ⁠https://arena.ai/⁠

Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠

Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com

Today’s stream is sponsored by VCX, the public ticker for private tech. Head over to http://getvcx.com  to learn more

Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com

AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:01:21) Coasean Economics of Agent Swarms

(00:04:17) Automating Workers Versus Automating Firms

(00:08:03) Why Model Labs Haven't Killed Application Startups

(00:12:00) Predicting Timelines for Self-Replicating Space Probes

(00:15:21) Managing Existential Risk and Nanobot Swarms

(00:20:07) Agent Swarm Taxonomy and Singletons

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Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.

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