Motivational Interviewing & Beyond

Joel Porter & Steve Rollnick

Joel Porter and Steve Rollnick host Motivational Interviewing & Beyond (MIB) a free monthly webinar. The MIB podcast it is the uncut and full webinar for easy listening. The conversations we facilitate are about all things and more related to Motivational Interviewing. Our aim to is ask more questions and stimulate thinking rather than provide answers and solutions The invited guests, spontaneous panelists and questions from the audience take the conversation into deep and unplanned directions.

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20 episodes
Updated Sep 23, 2025

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Sep 23, 2025 · 1 hr 30 min
The Craft of Motivational Interviewing
This episode of MIB explores MI as a craft, moving beyond a set of skills to a nuanced conversational art form. We aim to explore what it takes to become a practitioner focusing on the intuitive, adaptive and deeply personal aspects of helping. We were joined by Heather Flynn, Patrick Berthiaume, David Rosengren, Mike Porteous and Allan Zuckoff for the unbounded conversation.
Jul 27, 2025 · 1 hr 29 min
The International Motivational Interviewing Summit: Debrief
The 2025 Motivational Interviewing Summit was a gathering of colleagues from around the world to explore the future of MI practice, and research. Sponsored by the Florida State University Center for Behavioral Health Integration, the MI Summit was held in Tallahassee, Florida, USA on 17-18 May 2025. This interactive collaborative event included roundtable and panel discussions centred on innovations and directions of MI. We had robust exchanges, friendly differences, and good humour through a lively two-day gathering. In this podcast we reflected on the the learnings and questions that emerged from our time together.
Aug 7, 2024 · 1 hr 29 min
How Much Expertise Do You Need To Be Helpful?
In the episode of MIB, Steve and Joel are joined by Terri Moyers, Chris Wagner and Densie Ernst to explore how skillful do you need to be at MI to be hopeful. This conversation compliments up our last episode on "Harmology". We hope you find this discussion stimulating and enjoyable. We could not do MIB without the generous support of the team at the Department of Behavioral Sciences and Social Support at Florida State University. Thanks for listening! Joel & Steve
Apr 25, 2024 · 1 hr 23 min
Harmology: How Helping Can Cause Unintended Harm
In this episode Joel, Steve and friends explore how attempting to help people can sometimes cause harm. Steve lays out four types of people that cause harm. We explore the potentially side of toxic empathy and sympathy. The importance of informed practice. We also begin a conversation on: How much MI do people actually need to know to be helpful? Thanks the guests Brendan Murphy, Shaun Shelly and our host at Florida State University Heather Flynn for sharing your wisdom and experiences.
Dec 2, 2023 · 1 hr 44 min
What would Carl Rogers think about MI?
In this episode Steve, Joel and Ange are joined by our good friends Allan Zuckoff and Chris Wagner to explore MI and Person Centered Counselling. Where do these approaches converge and diverge. We did the best we could to explore what Carl Rogers might think about MI if he was alive today. Happy Holidays and we will see next year!
Oct 27, 2023 · 1 hr 23 min
The Future of MI
In this episode, Steve, Kendelle and Joel are live from the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers annual Forum in Copenhagen, Denmark. The conversation was with both friends in audience and online. There was a lot of conversational territory covered in an hour and half. Apparently, the use of MI is being explores in a wide range of areas from cultural humility to family relationships and even climate change. Based on this conversation the future of MI is a work in progress.
Jul 4, 2023 · 1 hr 32 min
MI & AI: What is Happening and What Does the Future Hold?
In this episode of MIB, Joel, Kendelle, Steve, Ange and some wonderful guests explore two questions: What exactly is Artificial Intelligence? and What is happening with AI and MI in regards to research, training and practice. As always we welcome ideas and questions form the global MIB community and look forward to seeing you later this month. Guests: David Atkins, Michael Tanana, Catharine Devany Serio, Alex Wait and June Kim.
May 31, 2023 · 1 hr 54 min
Motivational Interviewing, 4th Edition: What's in-store? What's changed?
In this episode, Joel, Kendell, Ange, Molly Magill and the participants will have a conversation with Steve about what to expect to find in the upcoming 4th edition of the MI book. Bring your questions and ideas to share with Steve and everyone.
Apr 27, 2023 · 1 hr 33 min
updated - Psychedelic Assisted Therapy: Does MI Have a Place?
In this episode, Joel, Steve and Ange take a long look at psychedelic assisted therapy (PAT) and how MI may or may not fit. We are joined by Joshua Bringle, PhD, Joji Suzuki, MD, Candida Mauer, PhD and Michael Fluop, MD who are all engaged in funded clinical trails ketamine and psylocibin. The conversation was fun, illuminating and mind altering (or changing) for some. The audience chat is included in the Transcript section. On a side note, MIB is heading into our third year, with 42,000 down loads and continues to build a lovely international community of friends. MI Around the World is a international project offer low cost to no cost MI training in three time zones over the next two months. For more information, please visit us: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/o/dr-joel-porter-18627665246 or emai: miworkshops@mail.com
Apr 4, 2023 · 1 hr 28 min
Hope and MI: Is hope a verb? A noun? How does hope feel? What does it look like? How important is it?
In this episode of MIB, Kendelle, Joel, Angela and guests explore the place of hope in helping people grow and make changes. We take a look at how hope fits with the spirit and practice of MI.
Feb 23, 2023 · 1 hr 51 min
MI With More Than One Person: What Does That Look Like?
In this episode we introduce Kendall Bond as part of the MIB team. We are joined by Karen Ingersoll, Tyrel Starks and Chris Wagner to explore how MI can be adapted to work with more than on person in groups counselling, couples therapy, classrooms and sports teams.
Nov 30, 2022 · 1 hr 28 min
Motivational Interviewing in the Political Sphere: Is There a Case for It?
In this episode, Steve, Joel, Kendelle Bond and friends from around the world explore if, where and how MI fits into the broader conversations about change. What can MI bring to the conversations outside of the therapy room, locker room or classroom?
Sep 5, 2022 · 1 hr 30 min
Motivational Interviewing as a Catalyst for Building Skills: How Practicing MI Cultivates Good Practice
In this Oceanic episode of MI & Beyond we have Helen Mentha, Tipene Pickett, Kyle McKenzie and Ken McMaster in a conversation to explore how learning and practicing MI improves practice across the spectrum of helping.
Jul 29, 2022 · 1 hr 37 min
Is There a Theory Behind MI? Part II
In this episode of MIB, Joel, Ange, Steve, Bill Miller, Molly Magill, Chris Wagner, Paul Earnshaw, Allan Zuckoff will continue the discussion to try to discover if an underlying theory of MI exists (or if one is needed). We are joined by a couple of people from the audience to liven thing up. This is one robust and stimulating conversation for MI Geeks!
Jul 3, 2022 · 1 hr 34 min
Is There A Theory Behind MI? If So, What Is It?
In this episode of MIB, Joel, Ange, Terri Moyers, Bill Neto, Kathy Goumas, Allan Zuckoff and other guests will try to discover if an underlying theory of MI exists (or if one is needed). After a a robust opening, the conversation eventually finds it's way to the place where we hoped it would. It looks like we be having a part two of this conversation before too long.
Jun 6, 2022 · 1 hr 40 min
Training People in Motivational Interviewing: What have we learned over the decades?
Motivational Interviewing has been disseminated to an untold number of people around the world. In this episode Joel, Ange, Steve and guests from around the world take a look at Motivational Interviewing training over the years. We explore questions such as: What's changed over time? What's stayed the same? Virtual training versus face-to-face training, what’s best? Does everyone really need to be proficient in MI to be helpful?
Jun 5, 2022 · 1 hr 38 min
Motivational Interviewing and a Restorative Approach
Best friends with the potential for making an impact at home, school, and in sport? Join Joel, Ange, and Steve with special guests Andy Williams, Orla Adams, Steve Berg-Smith, David Rosengren and Ken McMaster for a bumper discussion on how to improve culture, relationships, and outcomes.
Mar 29, 2022 · 2 hr 2 min
MI Behind Bars: Motivational Interviewing in the World of Corrections
Steve, Ange and Joel along with Jennifer Luther (USA), Michael Clark (USA), Ken McMaster (Aotearoa/New Zealand) and Fredrik Eliasson (Sweden) take a look at the past, present and future of MI in area of corrections. This freewheeling and, at times, personal conversation covers a lot of ground.
Feb 24, 2022 · 1 hr 47 min
No Such Thing As A Dumb Question: Ask Us Anything About MI
Joel, Steve, Ange, Cristiana Fortini, Ken McMaster and Tipene Pickett were curious to know what questions are about MI are out there. We may not have had all the answers, but we gave it our best shot. We had some thought provoking questions, interesting answers and good fun.
Feb 6, 2022 · 1 hr 41 min
Inside the conversation about change: What is helpful? Where does hope come in? What is harmful?
In this episode of MIB, Joel, Steve, Ange along with Molly Magill, Denise Ernst, Colin O'Driscoll and Rick Cotgreave take a look into what happens in our conversations about change and more. The conversation has some turns and twists that create more questions than answers.

Motivational Interviewing & Beyond

The Craft of Motivational Interviewing

The International Motivational Interviewing Summit: Debrief

How Much Expertise Do You Need To Be Helpful?

Harmology: How Helping Can Cause Unintended Harm

What would Carl Rogers think about MI?

The Future of MI

MI & AI: What is Happening and What Does the Future Hold?

Motivational Interviewing, 4th Edition: What's in-store? What's changed?

updated - Psychedelic Assisted Therapy: Does MI Have a Place?

Hope and MI: Is hope a verb? A noun? How does hope feel? What does it look like? How important is it?

MI With More Than One Person: What Does That Look Like?

Motivational Interviewing in the Political Sphere: Is There a Case for It?

Motivational Interviewing as a Catalyst for Building Skills: How Practicing MI Cultivates Good Practice

Is There a Theory Behind MI? Part II

Is There A Theory Behind MI? If So, What Is It?

Training People in Motivational Interviewing: What have we learned over the decades?

Motivational Interviewing and a Restorative Approach

MI Behind Bars: Motivational Interviewing in the World of Corrections

No Such Thing As A Dumb Question: Ask Us Anything About MI

Inside the conversation about change: What is helpful? Where does hope come in? What is harmful?