“A cat-belling problem for FDT” by jessicata
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Audio note: this post contains a lot of mathematical notation. We narrate the simpler formulas and flag the complex ones, so you may want the original text to hand.
[AI disclosure: I used Opus 5.5 for light edits after my first draft]
Functional decision theory (Yudkowsky and Soares 2017) proposes choosing actions as follows (equation 4 in the paper):
Here is the agent's probability distribution, is a graph saying how changing a logical variable affects other variables, is the observation history, and is utility. The underlines denote dequoting: is a variable in the agent's model representing the output of the FDT algorithm on these inputs.
In this post, by FDT I mean this specific proposal, not TDT, UDT, logical EDT, or FDT*. (FDT* is a different decision theory defined in the FDT paper, which uses an undefined "true" operator in place of .) FDT, admittedly, relies on a operator applied to a logical statement, which is on shaky philosophical foundations:
Equation (4) is sufficient for present purposes, though it rests on shakier philosophical foundations than (3). Pearl (2000) has given a compelling philosophical account of how to deduce the structure of causation from [...]
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Outline:
(03:20) Computational logical counterfactuals
(06:41) FDT needs computational logical counterfactuals
(10:10) A cat-belling problem
(11:36) Inside view: which axiom breaks?
(16:26) Proposals that don't bell the cat
(19:13) Conclusion
(20:04) References
The original text contained 3 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
October 26th, 2026
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/drteSvhc4fX3Tu9y7/a-cat-belling-problem-for-fdt
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