Impolitic with John Heilemann

Carol Leonnig: Disarray & Debauchery at the DOJ

Nov 14, 2025 · 1 hr 7 min · 97.1 MB
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John welcomes four-time Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter Carol Leonnig to discuss her new book with Aaron C. Davis, “Injustice: How Politics and Fear Vanquished America’s Justice Department.” Leonnig, a 25-year Washington Post veteran now serving as a senior MSNBC correspondent, explains how Donald Trump’s first-term impairment of the DOJ, followed by Merrick Garland’s failure to meet the moment after January 6, not only let Trump evade legal accountability but set the stage for his radical second-term subversion of the department’s role and the rule of law itself. She also weighs in on Trump’s recent spate of pardons and maladroit handling of the Epstein files, as well her own scoop regarding Tom Homan and his cash-filled Cava bag.