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For Heaven's Sake · October 7 · 40 min

It's Still October 7

When does October 7 stop feeling like the present? Three years to the day after the Hamas attack, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi face an uncomfortable truth: for Israelis, October 7 is not a memory but a lens. Starting from last week's foiled attempt to crash a passenger plane bound for Tel Aviv, they debate what it means to live a hair's breadth from catastrophe. They ask why the shock of 1973 sparked movements for change while this one has bred fatalism, how that fatalism is shaping Israel's election, and why Israel and the rest of the world now seem to be living in different time zones. From the episode: "Israel must defend itself — without defending the indefensible," Donniel Hartman, Times of Israel, October 5, 2026 ___ Watch the video version of our podcast on our YouTube channel. Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org. For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST. Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more. Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week: Register for Jewish Storytelling at a Time of Extremism with Yossi Klein Halevi and Yardena Schwartz.

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When does October 7 stop feeling like the present? 

Three years to the day after the Hamas attack, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi face an uncomfortable truth: for Israelis, October 7 is not a memory but a lens. Starting from last week's foiled attempt to crash a passenger plane bound for Tel Aviv, they debate what it means to live a hair's breadth from catastrophe. 

They ask why the shock of 1973 sparked movements for change while this one has bred fatalism, how that fatalism is shaping Israel's election, and why Israel and the rest of the world now seem to be living in different time zones.

From the episode:

"Israel must defend itself — without defending the indefensible," Donniel Hartman, Times of Israel, October 5, 2026

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Watch the video version of our podcast on our YouTube channel.  

Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at  arkmedia.org. 

For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST. 

Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. 

Click here to learn more. 

Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week: 

Register for Jewish Storytelling at a Time of Extremism with Yossi Klein Halevi and Yardena Schwartz. 




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