
S03.17: The Hating Game by Sally Thorne: Lucy! Obviously Danny didn't send the roses!
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There aren’t many recent romances you can point to and categorically label as game changers, but Sally Thorne’s The Hating Game definitely fits this bill. We talk about all the ways we love it, about sparkling dialogue and witty writing and what makes a romcom and how this book changed the cover game for a generation of romance. Oh, and yes, we get to the bottom (jk, there is no bottom) of Jen’s issues with first-person present.
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Next week, we’ve got an interstitial, and the following week, in advance of the launch of the Bridgerton series on Netflix, we’re reading Sarah’s favorite Julia Quinn novel, The Secret Diaries of Miss Miranda Cheever. Get it at Amazon, B&N, Kobo, Apple or at your local indie via bookshop.org.
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Show Notes
- The Hating Game was a juggernaut and will soon be a movie.
- Bridget Jones’s Diary came out in 1996 and the movie came out in 2001.
- Enemies to Lovers is a completely beloved romance trope. Rivals to lovers lives within the larger trope and is very fun because it is often a perfectly matched pair on an even playing field. Sarah wrote Brazen & the Beast after being inspired by The Hating Game.
- Here’s what we mean when we say situational comedy.
- What is the plural of arch-nemesis?
- Jen hates present tense, but of course everyone should write what’s right for them.
- Is it chick lit or is it women’s fiction? Why do these labels even exist? Just go back and read The Girl’s Guide to Hunting and Fishing or Good in Bed by Jennifer Weiner.
- We don’t talk about voice that much, but maybe we should.
- There was a short lived Harlequin chick lit line called Red Dress Ink in 2001.
- Here’s what Jen teaches her kids about characterization.
- The Slate article about interiors and a very thorough rebuttal from Felicia Davin.
- We talked about another hero who came up through Twilight fanfic.
- If you like a scene where one main character tells off the family on behalf of their beloved, you should read Her Naughty Holiday by Tiffany Reisz.
- In two weeks, we'll be reading The Secret Diaries of Miss Miranda Cheever. We are getting ready for Bridgerton and Wonder Woman 1984.
- If you're interested in the Fated Mates Best of 2020 book pack and you want it delivered by Christmas, make sure you order it by 12/5.
The Rest
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theguardian.comthe movie came out in 2001.
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slate.coma very thorough rebuttal from Felicia Davin
wordsuitcase.substack.comanother hero
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fatedmates.netBridgerton
marieclaire.comWonder Woman 1984
variety.comthe Fated Mates Best of 2020 book pack
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patreon.comfavorite podcast app
mf.fatedmates.netInstagram
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fated-mates.tumblr.comStop Book Banning episode
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- 0:00Welcome to Fated Mates
- 4:25The Hating Game
- 10:40The Way it Works
- 14:44Plot Summary
- 17:10Plot Summary
- 26:05What the Market Will Bear
- 31:45HR is our Safeword
- 36:12Characterization through Dialogue
- 38:00Three Acts
- 44:55Josh as Hero
- 48:34Parity
- 51:15Conflict & Resolution
- 57:05Rivals to Lovers
- 1:01:44Taking Care of Her
- 1:05:00The Long Tail of the Hating Game
- 1:13:30Outro