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Steve Ruiz - Is the canvas the future for AI?

Dec 1, 2025 · 1 hr 2 min · Episode 133 · 60.3 MB
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I get shown a lot of tool demos and one thing is clear…

Canvas-based UX will play a pivotal role in how we interface with AI.

It’s a big reason why Figma just bought Weavy 👀

So I interviewed Steve Ruiz who is the founder of tldraw where he's spent over 3 years and $5 million dollars building the perfect canvas (which powers many of the startups that we've studied on this show).

Some highlights:

  • Why he’s been obsessing over fairies
  • Steve’s principles for good tool design
  • How he was able to learn to code so quickly
  • What Steve’s learned through his AI experiments
  • How he’s thinking about the future of agentic design
  • a lot more