Skip to content
Artwork for Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder with Nilay Patel · Jun 30, 2025 · 1 hr 9 min

Why Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg went to war over WordPress

Today, I’m talking with Matt Mullenweg, the founder and CEO of Automattic and the public face of WordPress. Last year, Matt essentially went to war, publicly and in the courts, against a hosting company called WP Engine, and there’s been significant fallout at Automattic and the broader WordPress community. It’s been a long, drawn-out saga. That said, Matt was willing to come on the show and talk through some of this thinking here, why he made some of the decisions he did, and also what he regrets about how some of this went down. Links: The messy WordPress drama, explained | Verge Celebrating 20 Years of Automattic | Automattic Matt Mullenweg: ‘WordPress.org just belongs to me’ | Verge Automattic offered employees another chance to quit over | Verge WordPress owner Automattic is laying off 16 percent of workers | Verge Tumblr will move all of its blogs to WordPress | Verge Beeper was just acquired by Automattic | Verge Automattic acquires relationship manager Clay | TechCrunch How WordPress and Tumblr are keeping the internet weird | Decoder How to buy a social network, with Tumblr CEO Matt Mullenweg | Decoder Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

0:00-1:09:01

transcript

No transcript — this publisher did not publish one.

show notes

Today, I’m talking with Matt Mullenweg, the founder and CEO of Automattic and the public face of WordPress. Last year, Matt essentially went to war, publicly and in the courts, against a hosting company called WP Engine, and there’s been significant fallout at Automattic and the broader WordPress community.  

It’s been a long, drawn-out saga. That said, Matt was willing to come on the show and talk through some of this thinking here, why he made some of the decisions he did, and also what he regrets about how some of this went down. 

Links: 

  • The messy WordPress drama, explained | Verge
  • Celebrating 20 Years of Automattic | Automattic
  • Matt Mullenweg: ‘WordPress.org just belongs to me’ | Verge
  • Automattic offered employees another chance to quit over | Verge
  • WordPress owner Automattic is laying off 16 percent of workers | Verge
  • Tumblr will move all of its blogs to WordPress | Verge
  • Beeper was just acquired by Automattic | Verge
  • Automattic acquires relationship manager Clay | TechCrunch
  • How WordPress and Tumblr are keeping the internet weird | Decoder
  • How to buy a social network, with Tumblr CEO Matt Mullenweg | Decoder


Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

links11