Lenny's Podcast: Tom Verrilli on why great product teams need fewer PMs
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A sharp take on product management from Tom Verrilli, CPO of Whatnot, and Lenny Rachitsky. In this condensed version of the original episode, trimmed from the full-length interview to a quick listen, you’ll hear why Tom says teams should almost “regret that product management exists,” how he hires PMs who are builders instead of political operators, and why strong product leaders should stay hands-on with specs, data, support tickets, and code. He also explains how AI is reshaping product work, why nuance beats averages in product decisions, and how his “play the accordion” model helps teams move between strategy and execution. Listen now to get the key ideas in minutes.
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